Does UCF have a right to claim the National Championship?
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I wonder how many of these same posters were advocating a 24 win team from the MEAC should’ve gotten a bid over a 20 win Big East team back in the day. You guys probably cheered when an 18-12 team from the old Big East made the tourney at the expense of the little guy.
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the basketball tournament and the football "playoff" are two completely separate entities and situations. Every conference is represented in the NCAA tournament. There is a path for every team. By NCAA tournament logic UCF would've actually been in.
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UCF is officially claiming the national championship. They're getting a stadium banner and paying the coaches their national championship bonuses.
Good for them. Stick it in the eye of the P5.
Sweet.
Good for them. Stick it in the eye of the P5.
Sweet.
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I don't think so. It's a little about optics and the transitive property of football, unbeaten UCF beat Auburn who beat two of the teams in the playoff. That feels like they deserved a shot.
Whaler the rankings argument essentially excludes G5 schools from the playoffs since P5's start with a bump up at the start of the season. Getting good P5 teams in a season that everything comes together for you is a near impossible hill to climb. If the P5 wants an exclusive club it should cut the BS and break off. The egalitarian meritocracy argument has been proven false.
The answer is a bigger playoff. All the arguments against that are BS.
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Same old tired and disingenuous logic. I've been watching for 35 years too. Can't stand dishonest scum bags. If he had an ounce of class or integrity, he would have said UCF is a great team and clearly we need to look at how we ensure great teams are included. If they played TCU 10 times, UCF wins 6 out of 10 at worst. The irony is they did not get a chance to play anyone even one time in playoff. Also, I want aware the standard was you must go undefeated against 10 top tier opponents...oh, what other teams when undefeated from the Big12.
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Those three quotes seem to sum up the thread. It's like Fahrenheit 451, real time. ESPN/FOX just spits out P5, and here we have a legitimate NCAA D1 school, a powerhouse , which is undefeated, and it goes under"media" (ie unnoticed)?
What a sham our society has come. Remember ND beat the status quo back in 1913. And now the public is directed to ignore UCF and all the other really good NCAA D1 programs (where UCONN is not one of them, just yet). Real sad. Seriously sad.
Jeff Bezos,or Google's new head, or Jamie Dimon, should offer a $100 million winner take all to sponsor a game for the winner of UCF and the so called national champ on Jan 15th. Stream it! i say again stream it. and Spartacus the ncaa.
WAKE UP.
Hell, I'll pay $100 to see it on pay per view!
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See now this is a reasonable response.
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I've been watching college football since the early 1970's. That's 45+ years, which is longer than Bowlsby. Based on what I've seen, he's full of ----.
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Be careful what you wish for. Without Scott Frost and staff —it could get ugly.
I wouldn’t dismiss this observation.
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Hold on -
A state school is paying employees who have ALREADY QUIT bonuses that didn't contractually earn?
Hope Danny has a slush fund he's paying that out of. I know it's Florida, but they must have some laws?
The AP is even giving this some exposure.
UCF getting recognition worthy of national champions
Big 10 fans willl probably happily recognize it (already being mentioned on Scott Frost's Wiki page), and it seems many college football fans elsewhere welcome fresh blood. Kind of like how NFL fans react to the Patriots these days.
Who ever imagined something like this would happen in the AAC. I guess this "P6" stuff looks legit now. Aresco might have pulled off a genius marketing coup.
UCF getting recognition worthy of national champions
Big 10 fans willl probably happily recognize it (already being mentioned on Scott Frost's Wiki page), and it seems many college football fans elsewhere welcome fresh blood. Kind of like how NFL fans react to the Patriots these days.
Who ever imagined something like this would happen in the AAC. I guess this "P6" stuff looks legit now. Aresco might have pulled off a genius marketing coup.
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Peter Wolfe, the man behind the BCS computer rankings, has UCF as #1. And the AAC ranked ahead of the Big 12?
Peter Wolfe, the man behind the BCS computer rankings, has UCF as #1. And the AAC ranked ahead of the Big 12?
2008 Utah Utes football team - Wikipedia
The 2008 Utah Utes are claiming a national championship.
The 2004 Auburn Tigers also claims a title, as well, using a vacated USC title as more reason to claim it.
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The gold football in my avatar represents an unclaimed championship for 1908 Harvard. They actually don't care to claim it. They have other priorities. Their fans might care.
The 2008 Utah Utes are claiming a national championship.
The 2004 Auburn Tigers also claims a title, as well, using a vacated USC title as more reason to claim it.
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The gold football in my avatar represents an unclaimed championship for 1908 Harvard. They actually don't care to claim it. They have other priorities. Their fans might care.
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UCF's AD, Danny White will pay coaches National Championship bonus's (325,000) as per contract and will hang NC banner!
UCF to pay 'national championship' bonuses to coaches and staff totaling $325,000
"We’re definitely getting a banner,” he said on 96.9 The Game in Orlando. “We won a national championship and we’re going to treat it as such. These kids deserve that. Like other football programs do all across the country, you claim a national championship, you’re the only undefeated team in a season, we’re going to hang a banner."
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We're #5! We're #5!
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UCF, even at 13-0, never had a shot at college football playoffs, and it’s a travesty
"The travesty of college football is that a very good team was denied the opportunity to prove how good it was. UCF finished the season undefeated, untied and unquestioned. It went 13-0 and beat Auburn in the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl.
The Knights scored more points than Auburn had given up all season, and won 34-27.
The way the bowl system is set up, a team such as UCF will never have an opportunity to play for the title. In college football, there is no school such as Davidson. There is no Stephen Curry led team charging into the NCAA tournament and beating Georgetown and Wisconsin and almost, almost, almost beating Kansas.
Runs such as Davidson’s are what lift the basketball tournament. Along with good basketball, the Wildcats offered joy. Unless we were a fan of Georgetown or Wisconsin, we all shared in it.
I would like to have seen the Knights attempt to run though one of the chosen teams from a chosen conference."
"The travesty of college football is that a very good team was denied the opportunity to prove how good it was. UCF finished the season undefeated, untied and unquestioned. It went 13-0 and beat Auburn in the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl.
The Knights scored more points than Auburn had given up all season, and won 34-27.
The way the bowl system is set up, a team such as UCF will never have an opportunity to play for the title. In college football, there is no school such as Davidson. There is no Stephen Curry led team charging into the NCAA tournament and beating Georgetown and Wisconsin and almost, almost, almost beating Kansas.
Runs such as Davidson’s are what lift the basketball tournament. Along with good basketball, the Wildcats offered joy. Unless we were a fan of Georgetown or Wisconsin, we all shared in it.
I would like to have seen the Knights attempt to run though one of the chosen teams from a chosen conference."
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I've always argued in favor of the 28-3 little guy to get in over the 18-12 power conference team with the 8-10 conference record.
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Yeah but you’re one of the good posters on here.
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We're all rooting for ECU and USF to make the NCAA tournament! (Unfortunately.)
I am just glad I am not involved in decision making as in who gets to play in postseasons. It is what it is; it's not a perfect system and never will be, even in college bball, etc.
FWIW, I prefer the smaller school with reasonably better records always be given the chance.
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the entire show on Tuesday was devoted to UCF being the national champions. The whole. dang. show. Interviewed players and the AD. It was awesome.
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Tim Brando on what is wrong with the CFP, what he didn't like about OU's late-game execution vs. Georgia
Tim Brando: "First and foremost, it's way, way too subjective and you've got no diversity now on the committee. Condoleezza Rice is gone. You got a bunch of old coaches that love the way Alabama and Georgia play and they look great in warmups.
And you've got a team that just went 13-0 [UCF] that didn't get a sniff and you've got a conference, the American Conference, that's now won in deciding fashion against teams from, you know, Florida State and Auburn now. And we've got the mighty SEC. The very team [Auburn] that beat both Alabama in the Iron Bowl, which clearly didn't matter that much [because] they only dropped four spots because of their brand name. And [Auburn] also beat Georgia during the regular season and they [UCF] don't even get a sniff.
I mean no one's talking about them. At least in the BCS, Boise was discussed. I mean UCF doesn't even get discussion now. They're in a pretty legitimate league. The championship criteria clearly doesn't matter or if it does it's only when it's convenient. Meaning situational ethics are being practiced."
Tim Brando: "First and foremost, it's way, way too subjective and you've got no diversity now on the committee. Condoleezza Rice is gone. You got a bunch of old coaches that love the way Alabama and Georgia play and they look great in warmups.
And you've got a team that just went 13-0 [UCF] that didn't get a sniff and you've got a conference, the American Conference, that's now won in deciding fashion against teams from, you know, Florida State and Auburn now. And we've got the mighty SEC. The very team [Auburn] that beat both Alabama in the Iron Bowl, which clearly didn't matter that much [because] they only dropped four spots because of their brand name. And [Auburn] also beat Georgia during the regular season and they [UCF] don't even get a sniff.
I mean no one's talking about them. At least in the BCS, Boise was discussed. I mean UCF doesn't even get discussion now. They're in a pretty legitimate league. The championship criteria clearly doesn't matter or if it does it's only when it's convenient. Meaning situational ethics are being practiced."
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Only logical choice for college football's national champ is Central Florida: Issues & Answers
"The Associated Press no longer trusts me with a ballot in the AP's football poll. If I had one, I gleefully would vote for Central Florida.
I would have no reason to wait for the contrived four-team "playoff" to run its course.
Central Florida is the only unbeaten major college team. The Knights wrapped up their 13-0 season by knocking off Auburn of the big, bad Southeastern Conference in yesterday's Peach Bowl.
Auburn, in case you haven't been paying attention, has beaten both Alabama and Georgia, the two teams who will play next week for what the czars of major college football persist in calling a national championship game."
Danny White, Central Florida's athletic director, used the occasion to proclaim his team No. 1. And, good for him.
There clearly are more than four teams capable of winning a national title. The most equitable way to pick a champion is with an inclusive playoff of at least 16 teams. I prefer 24. But either way, Central Florida would have made the cut.
Advocates of the current system contend major college football's regular season is a playoff, in which every game is an elimination game.
If true, there is no legitimate reason for UCF not to be the national champion. Unlike Alabama and Georgia, the Knights won every game they played and own yesterday's victory over Auburn.
Of course, the current system isn't about picking a true champion. It's about the five power conferences hogging the postseason money and attention.
I look forward to the leaps of logic and convoluted reasoning they will be shoveling forth in the days to come to justify their greed.
"The Associated Press no longer trusts me with a ballot in the AP's football poll. If I had one, I gleefully would vote for Central Florida.
I would have no reason to wait for the contrived four-team "playoff" to run its course.
Central Florida is the only unbeaten major college team. The Knights wrapped up their 13-0 season by knocking off Auburn of the big, bad Southeastern Conference in yesterday's Peach Bowl.
Auburn, in case you haven't been paying attention, has beaten both Alabama and Georgia, the two teams who will play next week for what the czars of major college football persist in calling a national championship game."
Danny White, Central Florida's athletic director, used the occasion to proclaim his team No. 1. And, good for him.
There clearly are more than four teams capable of winning a national title. The most equitable way to pick a champion is with an inclusive playoff of at least 16 teams. I prefer 24. But either way, Central Florida would have made the cut.
Advocates of the current system contend major college football's regular season is a playoff, in which every game is an elimination game.
If true, there is no legitimate reason for UCF not to be the national champion. Unlike Alabama and Georgia, the Knights won every game they played and own yesterday's victory over Auburn.
Of course, the current system isn't about picking a true champion. It's about the five power conferences hogging the postseason money and attention.
I look forward to the leaps of logic and convoluted reasoning they will be shoveling forth in the days to come to justify their greed.
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Despite SEC lovefest, UCF must be recognized as national champions
While my four colleagues here at Heartland College Sports may disagree with me, along with many others who watch college football, I have no choice but to recognize UCF as the only National Champion this year. There are four main reasons why UCF is the National Champion in my eyes.
1. They’re undefeated: This is a basic principle. How can a team go undefeated and not be crowned the champion? Oh, it’s because they aren’t a “Power 5” team. Well then, why don’t we just throw all the other teams in the garbage? In that case, UCF should just quit, and go home. Then, we only have 65 teams (if you include Notre Dame). No more cupcake schedules. No more upsets. No more laughing at Florida for losing to Georgia Southern. Just those 65 teams beating up on each other. Speaking of independents, we might as well end the battle for the Commander-In-Chief trophy. Yeah, no more fun for those making the ultimate sacrifice. Army, Navy and Air Force are just junk teams who should be embarrassed just to put on the pads. They are ruining college football as we know it. (For those who are sarcasm illiterate, I have great respect for our academy schools and those who defend our freedoms.)
2. Common Opponents: Auburn defeated both of the teams remaining in the College Football Playoff. Our “National Championship Game” features two teams who lost to the same team UCF beat. Alabama has no right to be one of the four teams, and I’ll make my point about this in another section. Georgia, has somewhat of a case with its 28-7 victory in the SEC Championship Game. However, if we were playing on aggregates/point differential, Auburn wins. The Tigers beat Georgia 40-17 just a month earlier. Auburn outscored Georgia 47-45 over two games. Auburn’s star running back, Kerryon Johnson had a shoulder injury during the SEC Championship Game. Why didn’t the College Football Playoff committee take that into account? Kelly Bryant’s injury against Syracuse was the entire reason Clemson was provided the No.1 seed. And for the record, Syracuse was leading Clemson when Bryant went down with his injury. It’s an absolutely pathetic excuse. So, with Auburn defeating both, Alabama and Georgia, the Tigers should hoist the crown. Oh, but wait, UCF beat Auburn in the Peach Bowl 34-27. This means, UCF holds weight over all three SEC squads.
3. Conference Championship: TCU and Baylor were left out of the 2014 College Football Playoff in favor for Ohio State. Why? That stinking 13th data point: The Conference Championship Game. How does the Big 12 Conference respond? They add a Conference Championship Game. And this year, it really wasn’t even necessary. Oklahoma was going to be in the College Football Playoff. It did add revenue for the Big 12 Conference and intrigue on who will be their challenger in the game. As fans, we’ll take it. However, Alabama didn’t even play in its conference title game. Ohio State defeated a previously unbeaten Wisconsin in the Big Ten Championship Game. However, all of a sudden, conference championship games do not matter. We’re changing the rules here, folks. By the way, UCF won its conference championship game.
4. Division Championship: What division did Alabama win this season? They didn’t. So, you’re telling me that stinking 13th data point is pointless now? UCF won their division. The Golden Knights hold weight over Alabama in all four of these categories, yet somehow Alabama got in over them. Alabama is a runner-up. It doesn’t matter if they win the “national title game”. They are a runner-up in their own division. They will always be a runner-up. They didn’t even play in their conference title game.
While my four colleagues here at Heartland College Sports may disagree with me, along with many others who watch college football, I have no choice but to recognize UCF as the only National Champion this year. There are four main reasons why UCF is the National Champion in my eyes.
1. They’re undefeated: This is a basic principle. How can a team go undefeated and not be crowned the champion? Oh, it’s because they aren’t a “Power 5” team. Well then, why don’t we just throw all the other teams in the garbage? In that case, UCF should just quit, and go home. Then, we only have 65 teams (if you include Notre Dame). No more cupcake schedules. No more upsets. No more laughing at Florida for losing to Georgia Southern. Just those 65 teams beating up on each other. Speaking of independents, we might as well end the battle for the Commander-In-Chief trophy. Yeah, no more fun for those making the ultimate sacrifice. Army, Navy and Air Force are just junk teams who should be embarrassed just to put on the pads. They are ruining college football as we know it. (For those who are sarcasm illiterate, I have great respect for our academy schools and those who defend our freedoms.)
2. Common Opponents: Auburn defeated both of the teams remaining in the College Football Playoff. Our “National Championship Game” features two teams who lost to the same team UCF beat. Alabama has no right to be one of the four teams, and I’ll make my point about this in another section. Georgia, has somewhat of a case with its 28-7 victory in the SEC Championship Game. However, if we were playing on aggregates/point differential, Auburn wins. The Tigers beat Georgia 40-17 just a month earlier. Auburn outscored Georgia 47-45 over two games. Auburn’s star running back, Kerryon Johnson had a shoulder injury during the SEC Championship Game. Why didn’t the College Football Playoff committee take that into account? Kelly Bryant’s injury against Syracuse was the entire reason Clemson was provided the No.1 seed. And for the record, Syracuse was leading Clemson when Bryant went down with his injury. It’s an absolutely pathetic excuse. So, with Auburn defeating both, Alabama and Georgia, the Tigers should hoist the crown. Oh, but wait, UCF beat Auburn in the Peach Bowl 34-27. This means, UCF holds weight over all three SEC squads.
3. Conference Championship: TCU and Baylor were left out of the 2014 College Football Playoff in favor for Ohio State. Why? That stinking 13th data point: The Conference Championship Game. How does the Big 12 Conference respond? They add a Conference Championship Game. And this year, it really wasn’t even necessary. Oklahoma was going to be in the College Football Playoff. It did add revenue for the Big 12 Conference and intrigue on who will be their challenger in the game. As fans, we’ll take it. However, Alabama didn’t even play in its conference title game. Ohio State defeated a previously unbeaten Wisconsin in the Big Ten Championship Game. However, all of a sudden, conference championship games do not matter. We’re changing the rules here, folks. By the way, UCF won its conference championship game.
4. Division Championship: What division did Alabama win this season? They didn’t. So, you’re telling me that stinking 13th data point is pointless now? UCF won their division. The Golden Knights hold weight over Alabama in all four of these categories, yet somehow Alabama got in over them. Alabama is a runner-up. It doesn’t matter if they win the “national title game”. They are a runner-up in their own division. They will always be a runner-up. They didn’t even play in their conference title game.
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Congratulations to 2017 National Champion UCF
The Knights of Central Florida are America's 2017 National Champions.
After dispatching Auburn—the only team to defeat both contestants in this year's third-place game—34-24 in the Peach Bowl on Monday, the Knights moved quickly to claim the spoils of their conquest.
This is no minor league publicity stunt, either. The university will hang a banner in the iconic Spectrum Stadium. It will pay departing coach Scott Frost (and his staff) their national championship contractual bonuses.
It's also sending the team to Disney World.
"I look at schools all across the country that are hanging national championship banners for years they had that weren't even close to the year we just had," UCF athletic director told AP reporter Ralph D. Russo.
He's right, too. If Alabama can claim a 1941 title on a season in which it lost two games and finished 20th in the final AP Poll (to name just one abominable example), why shouldn't UCF claim one?
National championships are all about recognition, and we at Eleven Warriors would like to congratulate the Knights on their historic accomplishment.
We willfully recognize our new overlords, and will continue to do so regardless of the outcome of Monday night's contest between the SEC, which coincidentally has the same record (4-5) as Conference USA.
Perhaps it just means more in the USA, the newest powerbroker of southern football.
The Knights of Central Florida are America's 2017 National Champions.
After dispatching Auburn—the only team to defeat both contestants in this year's third-place game—34-24 in the Peach Bowl on Monday, the Knights moved quickly to claim the spoils of their conquest.
This is no minor league publicity stunt, either. The university will hang a banner in the iconic Spectrum Stadium. It will pay departing coach Scott Frost (and his staff) their national championship contractual bonuses.
It's also sending the team to Disney World.
"I look at schools all across the country that are hanging national championship banners for years they had that weren't even close to the year we just had," UCF athletic director told AP reporter Ralph D. Russo.
He's right, too. If Alabama can claim a 1941 title on a season in which it lost two games and finished 20th in the final AP Poll (to name just one abominable example), why shouldn't UCF claim one?
National championships are all about recognition, and we at Eleven Warriors would like to congratulate the Knights on their historic accomplishment.
We willfully recognize our new overlords, and will continue to do so regardless of the outcome of Monday night's contest between the SEC, which coincidentally has the same record (4-5) as Conference USA.
Perhaps it just means more in the USA, the newest powerbroker of southern football.
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UCF is the national champion for the 2018 season. The "made for TV", Kirk Herbstreit Invitational has no more weight than those early season basketball tourneys do in determining their NC. UCF is the best team and is in the best conference if viewed objectively.
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No it's not...many more than that.
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Obviouly they are not the same. That is why crowning a champion though opinionated hair splitting that the committee does is inoperative.
UCF played legitimate enough schedule to view their undefeated season as enough to put them in the playoff.
That is all I'm saying. Every conference has cupcakes. Tennessee sucked as did a number of SEC teams. Is it a better schedule than the AAC, not by enough to disregard an unbeaten team in favor of the third place SEC team whose best win was LSU.
The four most deserving teams should go. Bama didn't deserve to go based on their on-field results. Anyone thinking otherwise should just go back to the AP poll because the games don't really matter to you.
The fact that people still think they didn't belong after they handled Auburn rather easily shows a stunning lack of perception and consistency.
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