Does this force ND's hand?

[CTGoonie]

ESPN has this article up detailing the plan for the selection of the four teams in the new playoff system.

I found this part very interesting: "
In the plan Delany discussed, a conference champion automatically would qualify for the playoff if ranked in the top six. If fewer than four conference champions were among the top six, the remaining spots would be filled by the highest ranked teams."

I know this hasn't happened recently but can you imagine if ND is in the top 6 but gets passed over for the playoff because there are four conference champions also in the top 6?

 

[WallStreetHusky]

ESPN has this article up detailing the plan for the selection of the four teams in the new playoff system.

I found this part very interesting: "
In the plan Delany discussed, a conference champion automatically would qualify for the playoff if ranked in the top six. If fewer than four conference champions were among the top six, the remaining spots would be filled by the highest ranked teams."

I know this hasn't happened recently but can you imagine if ND is in the top 6 but gets passed over for the playoff because there are four conference champions also in the top 6?

I saw the same article and wondered the same thing. When you think about it, it would be hard to get 4 conference champs in the first 6...the SEC champ, obviously....the Big 12 champ (OK or TX) obviously....Big 10? Pac12? ACC? maybe one of them, doubtful two of the three. They also stated that there would be a rule for independents to get in such as ND and BYU.....but I think floating the concept is clearly a move to put some pressure on ND, and note that its Delany doing the floating of the concept.....a little stick in the eye there......

 

[metsfan2323]

The easiest way for ND to become a conference champ ranked in the top 6 is to join the Big East.

 

[WallStreetHusky]

Great point, exactly which conferences would the conference champ rule apply to? All? Some?

 

[SubbaBub]

Would rather see the conference champs in the Top 8 get first shot, but I could live with the Top 6 as a compromise.

At 8, you will get 4 champs, at 6 most likely 3 and occasionally 4. So the ND is fighting the SEC/B1G #2 for the last spot.

When you factor in the unavoidable biases that shape the selection process, a 1-loss ND almost never misses the top 6. But a two loss ND would likely be left out most years. But if it went to top 8, a 1-loss ND might be trumped by a 2-loss BE champ. I so want that to happen.

The question for ND is this, "Do we value independence enough to miss the playoffs occasionally or do we join a conference and make the playoffs more often."

If ND thinks they're back to winning 10 games a year, then they stay Indy. But the right move if this comes to pass, is to join a conference.

Remember, it'd be any conference champ. If Nevada goes 11-1, they could be in there ahead of ND.

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[Vowelguy]

The only thing that forces ND's hand is ND.

 

[SubbaBub]

The only thing that forces ND's hand is ND.

True, but at some point, it becomes too costly to hang on. This proposal sours the independent milk just a bit.

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[UConnDan97]

I'm with Vowelguy on this one; if you all believe that ND will be left out in the cold in terms of playoff choice, I have some swamp land to sell you in Florida! This is from the ESPN article that was linked:

"Various models for a four-team playoff will be considered by conferences over the next month. The focus will be on where and when the games will be played. After that is settled, how teams will be picked will be decided."

It sounds like there are multiple options still being discussed. College football is not going to take one of its biggest money-making draws off the table. It is what has allowed ND to avoid the conference thing for so long when others failed. In my less than humble opinion....not happenin'.....

 

[SubbaBub]

They won't be left out, but 9 wins isn't getting them in anymore.

They will need to decide if less money and less access to the title game will allow them to remain independent over the long haul.

They can, of course, but will they want to if they find themselves consistently coming up short?

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[nelsonmuntz]

I suspect that Notre Dame, like pretty much everyone else not named Jim Delaney, believes that the 4 team playoff is a temporary solution on the way to a 16 team playoff. ND will make a 16 team playoff with 9 wins.

If the ACC gets gutted, which should simultaneously stabilize the Big East, Notre Dame will have no incentive to do anything.

 

[Vowelguy]

They can, of course, but will they want to if they find themselves consistently coming up short?

Exactly why there's no reason to act now. They can let this play out over several years.

Also by that time, the playoffs will likely have expanded, giving an independent a better chance.

Lastly, I still am skeptical that the SEC and PAC have any desire to force ND into a conference, as it would benefit one of their competitors.

 

[coachcap]

I'm taking a contraview on Notre Dame. There are other factors that could force their hand to join a conference beside this new playoff system. The PAC-12 & the B1G have agreed to schedule crossconference games. The PAC-12 already is scheduling 9 conference games per season. If they add 2 B1G games, that only leaves 1 OOC game per season to schedule. Look at who has traditionally been on ND's playlist: USC, Stanford, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue. Something has to give. In addition, the Big East is expanding. Notre Dame's problem in a playoff format is not only must they win just about all of their games as an independent, but they must show a very competative strength of schedule with power conference teams on it. As conferences increase the number of conference games played per team per season, it contracts ND's ability to get this strength of schedule. The leprechauns may indeed be forced to join a conference, unless they want to play midmajors & multiple BYU games per year. BYU is in the same boat.

 

[Fishy]

Nothing forces Notre Dame's hand.

Not the playoff, not expansion, not something like the Big 1G/Pac 12 deal and definitely not anything that the Big East might do or not do with the possible exception of completely disappearing.

Notre Dame can fill their schedule every year with less than a dozen phone calls. All but a bare handful of athletic directors would chew their own foot off if Notre Dame made it a prerequisite for an ND game.

Stop worrying about Notre Dame and stop looking to them as our possible saviors from our current predicament. They're fine and they're not going to help us.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Would rather see the conference champs in the Top 8 get first shot, but I could live with the Top 6 as a compromise.

At 8, you will get 4 champs, at 6 most likely 3 and occasionally 4. So the ND is fighting the SEC/B1G #2 for the last spot.

When you factor in the unavoidable biases that shape the selection process, a 1-loss ND almost never misses the top 6. But a two loss ND would likely be left out most years. But if it went to top 8, a 1-loss ND might be trumped by a 2-loss BE champ. I so want that to happen.

The question for ND is this, "Do we value independence enough to miss the playoffs occasionally or do we join a conference and make the playoffs more often."

If ND thinks they're back to winning 10 games a year, then they stay Indy. But the right move if this comes to pass, is to join a conference.

Remember, it'd be any conference champ. If Nevada goes 11-1, they could be in there ahead of ND.

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A two loss BE champ won't be in the Top 6 for some time. Not even sure a 2 loss SEC team is in the Top 6.
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ESPN has this article up detailing the plan for the selection of the four teams in the new playoff system.

I found this part very interesting: "
In the plan Delany discussed, a conference champion automatically would qualify for the playoff if ranked in the top six. If fewer than four conference champions were among the top six, the remaining spots would be filled by the highest ranked teams."

I know this hasn't happened recently but can you imagine if ND is in the top 6 but gets passed over for the playoff because there are four conference champions also in the top 6?

Another question is, what if the top 6 teams are all conf champs. Who get's screwed there? A lot of money on the line for what could come down to a subjective call...

 

[Vowelguy]

The question for ND is this, "Do we value independence enough to miss the playoffs occasionally or do we join a conference and make the playoffs more often."

What is the meaning of this word "occasionally"?

When is the last time ND finished September, let alone the whole season, with fewer than 2 losses?

 

[WallStreetHusky]

Nothing forces Notre Dame's hand.

Not the playoff, not expansion, not something like the Big 1G/Pac 12 deal and definitely not anything that the Big East might do or not do with the possible exception of completely disappearing.

Notre Dame can fill their schedule every year with less than a dozen phone calls. All but a bare handful of athletic directors would chew their own foot off if Notre Dame made it a prerequisite for an ND game.

Stop worrying about Notre Dame and stop looking to them as our possible saviors from our current predicament. They're fine and they're not going to help us.

I know my interest in what happens to ND isnt as a savior, but they are the lead domino. Regardless if they remain independent, where/how that domino lands has a major impact on the future of CT football, and really CT athletics in general. Lets face facts here, we are not, in any way, in control of our own destiny. Our destiny will be controlled by the moves of others and those moves of others will directly impact where CT lands. What happens to ND will drive everything, regardless if they maintain the status quo or not, thats just the sad, pathetic truth about the situation we are in.

We arent the belle of the ball here, we are the fat chick waiting to see which guys are left over after the hot chicks make their choice.......

 

[HuskyHawk]

I suspect that Notre Dame, like pretty much everyone else not named Jim Delaney, believes that the 4 team playoff is a temporary solution on the way to a 16 team playoff. ND will make a 16 team playoff with 9 wins.

If the ACC gets gutted, which should simultaneously stabilize the Big East, Notre Dame will have no incentive to do anything.

How does the ACC being gutted do anything but eliminate the BE? UConn and Rutgers would switch ASAP. The league would probably fall apart. If the ACC is just North Carolin and Virginia, we'd still join over any combination of the teams in the NBE.

 

[Carl Spackler]

How does the ACC being gutted do anything but eliminate the BE? UConn and Rutgers would switch ASAP. The league would probably fall apart. If the ACC is just North Carolin and Virginia, we'd still join over any combination of the teams in the NBE.

Regardless of what may or may not happen to the ACC, any destabilization of the ACC in the future, will make the conference that has ownership of the Washington, DC to Boston corridor that much more important.

One of the stated goals, back in November of last year, by our own university leadership, as well as big east conference leadership, and the other university level leadership that remained in teh big east at the time - was to establish a conference framework and structure such that further conference shifting and movement anywhere in teh country for any reason, would not destabilize the big east. A framework that would make the big east both flexible and strong in the constantly changing intercollegiate landscape while the college football post season is going through revolutionary change........

I believe that they did a hell of job in the six months since, in building that framework and structure, and now it's just a matter of getting the proper fit for the last piece of the structure to fall in place, and that's the broadcasting arrangment (s) that will handle primarily men's basketball and football, followed by women's basketball, and olympics.

i'm not going to go into specifics as to why I believe that. So don't ask.

 

[metsfan2323]

How does the ACC being gutted do anything but eliminate the BE? UConn and Rutgers would switch ASAP. The league would probably fall apart. If the ACC is just North Carolin and Virginia, we'd still join over any combination of the teams in the NBE.

If the Big 12 stops at 12 and the SEC stays at 14 then we may be looking at UCONN and Rutgers in the ACC and UMASS in the Big East.

If both the Big 12 and SEC go to 16 by taking the best of the ACC which would be:

Big 12 Gets
Florida State
Clemson
Miami
G Tech
NC State
VTech or Virginia

SEC gets
North Carolina
Virginia or V Tech

Then we have complete chaos, conference armageddon and Boneyard Madness with hopefully a 40 page Spackler Manifesto (Carl's my favorite poster)

 

[SubbaBub]

What is the meaning of this word "occasionally"?

When is the last time ND finished September, let alone the whole season, with fewer than 2 losses?

ND assumes it's only a year away from returning to the days of Knute. I was looking at it from they're point of view.

I don't think they'll ever make it, because they can't recruit like the SEC, UT, Michigan, OSU and USC. They will never be able to dominate their schedule and go 11-1.

Delany is using their delusions against them. ND thinks top 6 is very doable.

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[RS9999X]

ND will have an agreement with the BE whereby ND gets the BE bid under circumstances .

 

[SubbaBub]

ND will have an agreement with the BE whereby ND gets the BE bid under circumstances .

If this happens, then I predict a storming of the Bastille in PVD.

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[The Funster]

Has anyone discussed the possibility that a playoff system would bring expansion to a grinding halt? If I'm a team in a power conference, say the SEC, why would I want to bring an additional two quality teams into the fold if those two could reduce my chances to make the playoff? And wouldn't the possibility of a payday from the playoffs outweigh any nominal bump from an improved media rights contract?

 

[IMind]

If the Big 12 stops at 12 and the SEC stays at 14 then we may be looking at UCONN and Rutgers in the ACC and UMASS in the Big East.

If both the Big 12 and SEC go to 16 by taking the best of the ACC which would be:

Big 12 Gets
Florida State
Clemson
Miami
G Tech
NC State
VTech or Virginia

SEC gets
North Carolina
Virginia or V Tech

Then we have complete chaos, conference armageddon and Boneyard Madness with hopefully a 40 page Spackler Manifesto (Carl's my favorite poster)

I think Louisville and maybe Cincinnati get a strong look before some of the ACC schools. I think Louisville is the 3rd school after FSU and Clemson to the Big 12.

Why UMess to the Big East? If Rutgers and UConn are gone there isn't the need to stay Northeast... and there are much better all sports potential members available. Hell ECU before UMass.

 

[UConnJim]

The ACC has the most attractive expansion candidates, period. The only question is which conference wants to expand. Big 1G would take UNC, Maryland, UVA, and probably Duke and maybe GT over any Big East school. Big 12 would take Florida St., Clemson, Miami, and GT over any Big East school. SEC would take NC St., Virginia Tech, Virginia, Maryland, and UNC over any Big East school.

The ACC's new TV contract is critical for survival of the current ACC as it appears that the numbers may disappoint relative to the SEC and Big 12.

Also, look at FSU's home schedule this year: Murray St., Savannah St., Wake Forest, Clemson, BC, Duke, and Florida. Will that excite the fans and sell tickets? No. FSU has to be thinking about their conference options.