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Does the ACC's now stated desire to have a New York presence prompt Delany to seal the deal?

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uconnell said:
Guess you haven't been to Fairfield County. It is over run with people who work in NYC or lived in NYC and wanted to live in the suburbs. They are willing to pay taxes both to NY and CT just to live in the county.
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Just to be clear, these people will fill out an extra NY State income tax form, but likely save money on taxes because they live in CT. NY State will tax any income earned in NY. CT will credit those taxes on the CT state income tax form. Any additional earnings from investments will be taxed at the CT state rate. Local income, property, etc taxes will all be taxed at the local CT tax rate. Therefore, these people likely save money in the long run by living in CT and working in NYC.
 
Butch said:
Big Ten expansion is definitely not dead.

Missouri is mentioned here. And so is...the University of Toronto! All we probably need is AAU membership.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/76834/expansion-not-dead-but-not-b1gs-priority
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B1G expansion is not dead but is not imminent either.
Yes Missouri is mentioned but "There are potentially attractive candidates in other regions like Missouri, but adding a member from anywhere other than the East Coast doesn't seem to click with Delany's bi-regional vision."
Yes University of Toronto is mentioned but "Michigan State AD Mark Hollis joked that the Big Ten could pursue the University of Toronto, an AAU member and a favorite expansion possibility among Big Ten blog readers (also an unrealistic one).
Additional quotes from this article that are of note. "Delany made it clear that the East Coast remains the Big Ten's priority, but the league is focused more on expanding its existing product, especially the Big Ten Network, and integrating its new members than pursuing new ones." "Many thought building a presence would include more members from the East Coast, but if the ACC is secure, and it appears to be, there aren't many if any attractive expansion candidates. Connecticut is looking for a home, but it's not a member of the AAU, a virtual must for future Big Ten members, league sources say. After that ... it's slim pickings.
I think UConn is a great candidate for the B1G but AAU membership is a must for the B1G presidents and in some respects trying to find a #16, to UConn as a #15, may be more of a road block.
 
I know the University of Toronto was mentioned jokingly. But with globalization, that is possible.
 
It will be really confusing to the Michigan players to visit a conference opponent with Canadian football rules.
 
Butch said:
I know the University of Toronto was mentioned jokingly. But with globalization, that is possible.
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Don't see it...

Entirely different university system. Different course structure, different exam structure, different credits.
 
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Hoophound said:
Lol. Yeah, the wealthiest state in the union is the place for failures that couldn't make it elsewhere. Funny.
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Connecticut hasn't been the wealthiest state in the country for a few years now, but point taken.
 
orangehomer said:
I find this interesting every time you guys write it. and it makes me wonder, is it true? my professional career has given me the opportunity to visit I-can't-even-count how many small cities east of the Mississippi, and some in texas. Syracuse is from what I can research bigger than Hartford, which is the flagship city of your state. Syracuse is considered a small upstate city in NY and it's bigger than Hartford. additionally, it has less crime. so your flagship city is smaller and more crime ridden than Syracuse. take a second to mull that over and get back to me about how awesome you are.
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The Syracuse Metro Area has 662,577 according to the 2010 census.

The Hartford Metro Area has 1,212,000 according to the 2010 census - about double the size of Syracuse.
 
UPitt said:
Just to be clear, these people will fill out an extra NY State income tax form, but likely save money on taxes because they live in CT. NY State will tax any income earned in NY. CT will credit those taxes on the CT state income tax form. Any additional earnings from investments will be taxed at the CT state rate. Local income, property, etc taxes will all be taxed at the local CT tax rate. Therefore, these people likely save money in the long run by living in CT and working in NYC.
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Having filed multiple tax returns, including NY, I can assure you it never felt like I was saving money.
 
bingethinker said:
Connecticut hasn't been the wealthiest state in the country for a few years now, but point taken.
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Oops, #2 for 2012. Something tells me the current bull market will run CT and NJ back to the top of the list.
 
Hoophound said:
Way off. Hartford is geographically small because it was laid out that way many years ago, that makes the population of Hartford proper small. (East Hartford and West Hartford are not part of Hartford, for example)

It is a major metro area. Greater Hartford is so much bigger than Syracuse it's silly. That's just stupid.
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Yep. Same reason that Charlotte is "larger" than Boston. When you compare a hundred square miles to a dozen, that is how.
 
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Butch said:
Big Ten expansion is definitely not dead.

Missouri is mentioned here. And so is...the University of Toronto! All we probably need is AAU membership.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/76834/expansion-not-dead-but-not-b1gs-priority
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I've got to say, I'd like UConn in the BIG. But, whenever you hear BIG fans mention Toronto to the BIG, maybe beacuse Simon Fraser is in some d2 or d3 conference out West, they are absolutely clueless on how the CIS works. Toronto has some of the worst attendance figures in this league, and often perform poorly across various sports. Hockey talent in Canada would rather play NCAA D1 or CHL, the latter being more desirable.

The U of Tor would need to invest close to a billion dollars into athletic facilities, which would be difficult to do since the campus is quite urban, and land is not cheap in the city. Plus, Toronto is going through a building boom. The football stadium is used for at least 5 other sports and it cannot be expanded much beyond the 15k due to it's location.

But no doubt, it's a great school and a huge metro.

PS The MSU AD, cited in the article, was clearly kidding. Also, the U of Tor does not offer athletic scholarships.
 
you guys are wound so tight, it's mostly just fun to come over and tweak you once in a while
 
orangehomer said:
you guys are wound so tight, it's mostly just fun to come over and tweak you once in a while
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How 'bout we come over and stand on your O2 tube once in a while...

You'd get cranky too!
 
orangehomer said:
Ding Ding Ding !!!
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Then pretend that the guy standing on your O2 tube has three times as many national championships in hoops and twice as many wins head-to-head in football as you. See how this works?
 
So, on the assumption that all of this (somewhat confusing) armchair cable analysis is essentially correct, isn't it plausible to believe that UConn's own TV consultant guru also provided Delaney with the nuts and bolts of how adding UConn to the B1G would be highly acretive to the B1G Network's revenues? And assuming again that the B1G can see the benefits of adding UConn, isn't it also reasonable to think Delaney told Herbst--"Look, we need time to absorb and monitor our Rutgers aquisition, which won't happen for a year. I suggest you folks get on with the business of winning games, creating a better football culture, improving facilities and moving toward AAU. But we will talk again."
 
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Nostical said:
So, on the assumption that all of this (somewhat confusing) armchair cable analysis is essentially correct, isn't it plausible to believe that UConn's own TV consultant guru also provided Delaney with the nuts and bolts of how adding UConn to the B1G would be highly acretive to the B1G Network's revenues? And assuming again that the B1G can see the benefits of adding UConn, isn't it also reasonable to think Delaney told Herbst--"Look, we need time to absorb and monitor our Rutgers aquisition, which won't happen for a year. I suggest you folks get on with the business of winning games, creating a better football culture, improving facilities and moving toward AAU. But we will talk again."
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You're grasping, but keep hope alive. Its better than the alternative I guess.
 
orangehomer said:
hey do you guys have that big Monday scheduled against Tulane yet or what?
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Guess you really have nothing better to do, do ya? Do you really get enjoyment out of trolling? Oh and that last insult was awful. Why don't you win a couple more Nat then come back and boast.
 
Huskyforlife said:
Guess you really have nothing better to do, do ya? Do you really get enjoyment out of trolling? Oh and that last insult was awful. Why don't you win a couple more Nat then come back and boast.
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You'd think he could make himself useful by keeping tabs on Bernie Fine and making sure he isn't out trying to diddle ball boys, but NOOOO, he has to be over here busting balls. Go hit off Bernie's wife or something.
 
noeynox said:
You'd think he could make himself useful by keeping tabs on Bernie Fine and making sure he isn't out trying to diddle ball boys, but NOOOO, he has to be over here busting balls. Go hit off Bernie's wife or something.
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I don't know..... This guy might not be capable of doing much.
 
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orangehomer said:
hey do you guys have that big Monday scheduled against Tulane yet or what?
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By the time the ACC GOR is up, Syracuse will become a useless market in the collegiate athletics landscape. While Connecticut will still be in between NYC and Boston.

Did you hear Manchester City is investing in an MLS club in NYC? Guess who's closer to NYC? Syracuse or Hartford?

Tulane even has more hope than Syracuse.
 
It is comforting to know that no matter what conference UConn is in we will always be better than Syracuse.

That's why people like orangehomer and IthacaMatt and kind of funny in a way. It was like the kid you knew when you were growing up. He'd be bragging that his Dad bought a new car. Then you found out it was an AMC Pacer.
 
Nostical said:
So, on the assumption that all of this (somewhat confusing) armchair cable analysis is essentially correct, isn't it plausible to believe that UConn's own TV consultant guru also provided Delaney with the nuts and bolts of how adding UConn to the B1G would be highly acretive to the B1G Network's revenues? And assuming again that the B1G can see the benefits of adding UConn, isn't it also reasonable to think Delaney told Herbst--"Look, we need time to absorb and monitor our Rutgers aquisition, which won't happen for a year. I suggest you folks get on with the business of winning games, creating a better football culture, improving facilities and moving toward AAU. But we will talk again."
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Negatives:

1. AAU hurts Uconn
2. Not a fertile recruiting territory for football
3. B1G has a football perception problem that UConn can't help with (Nebraska helps), and Rutgers and Maryland don't help either (though they have good recruiting territories).

Positives:

1. TV--I continue to believe Uconn's market would help the B1G a lot
2. The B1G is about to have a basketball perception problem soon, because the ACC is going to start sucking a lot of talent southward. They'll look to bone up the bball side within the next 10 years because of the loss of perception. Plus, the style of play has been atrocious in that conference.
 
Its over. Big 10 is not coming for us unless we are so successful we don't need them.
 
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