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Message: [QUOTE="Beowulf, post: 3718164, member: 4087"] yeah was it analytics or a manager overthinking? seems weird to blame statistics....that are based on previous results. analytics are there as a guideline, there isn't a single all encompassing stat that says "pull your pitcher when he's dominating". when guys get pulled to avoid going through the order for a third time, it's usually because batters are starting to square him up, or he's losing spin/movement (like kershaw against the braves game 4). that wasnt the case here, this was just a manager overthinking. and they got beat by one of the most analytically driven teams in baseball, so not sure you can blame math for this. analytics are legit what got both of these teams to where they are (dodgers payroll helps tho). look at how they develop talent. look at the rays starting lineup....all acquired through trades. you think those were just hunches? they were numerically driven. and when you combine that with (normally) good coaching and player development, that usually gets you good results. people act like it's one or the other. the best teams are utilizing both numbers and eye-test stuff to the best of their ability. analytics should provide context to what you're seeing, and if what you're seeing is sustainable long-term and how it projects. [/QUOTE]