Do you think they signed up for this? Or should we all grow up?

[freescooter]

I love Aaron Judge, great guy and an incredible regular season player but he's paid $360 million to also do it in the playoffs. He finally started to hit after breaking all sorts of records for playoff futility and then he turned into Steve Bartman trying to catch a pop up. Of course he's going to get trashed and deservedly so. He knows that.

Giancarlo deserved better from all his teammates.

Yes this. You can’t demand to be the Guy and then find the moment to be too big for you and expect nobody to notice. You can’t be compared to Jeter and Ruth then fail to make a simple play that most 12 year olds could make. It opened the flood gates. And despite his catch and the homerun his entire post season resume is pretty weak. Of course he is going to get ripped by the fan base. Mr. September I heard him called. The other guys made equally egregious errors but they didn’t demand to be the highest paid Yankee of all time .

 

[freescooter]

It was his first error all season. Plus he made that incredible catch an inning earlier

If Volpe doesn’t make his error or Cole/Rizzzo do their job, it’s a non story

The Torres error in game one is a much bigger issue IMO. That was just being lazy and turned the tide of the series

Without Judge this team is maybe a wild card

If ifs and buts were candied nuts we’d all have a heck of a Christmas. If Freddie Freeman didn’t hit the ball all over the place it would be too.

 

[willie99]

NIL with million dollar college kids and others making hundreds of thousands is going to change that for some, if not many or most fans.

They're still kids

 

[RuffRuff]

I went back and rewatched the play just to confirm how goofy a take this is. #Confirmed.

Was def not on Jazz. Of the three blunders this was the most forgivable as had a decent level of difficulty given so many moving parts. Volpe was moving, off balance and rushed. But a halfway decent throw had him out easily.

 

[Kenny11]

Accepting that the general public is just very dumb will help your mood.

 

[NJHusky]

If ifs and buts were candied nuts we’d all have a heck of a Christmas. If Freddie Freeman didn’t hit the ball all over the place it would be too.

I’m not a judge apologist at all. His bat was terrible most of the post season.

My point was simply it’s not all on Judge. He made 1 error the entire season…and makes some Amazing catches. There is a lot more blame to go around IMO.

 

[Scoe]

I’m not a judge apologist at all. His bat was terrible most of the post season.

My point was simply it’s not all on Judge. He made 1 error the entire season…and makes some Amazing catches. There is a lot more blame to go around IMO.

More fans should be criticizing the Yankees front office for telling the fanbase that they are on a budget talking more about a budget than a world series when prices for tickets are going up. You know the Dodgers number priority is winning a World Series.

 

[boba]

This. These are men playing a game making unfathomable money, with fans coming to watch them paying 20 dollars per beer. The reason they are being paid what they are is because of fans, which in essence makes fans stockholders in the contract.

Seeing some criticism when not performing comes with the territory. Besides that they should be coached not to take it personal and keep it all in perspective.

It's also a case that opposite the accolades are the most vociferous jeers. Vox populi, faex populi? (If I got my latin right, it says the voice of the people is not worthy of consideration, except in a more vulgar fashion)

 

[Palatine]

Let's be honest, there are high school teams that play cleaner games than the Yankees. Dropping pop ups, throwing the ball in the dirt from 20 feet away, failing to cover first on a grounder to the first baseman. This is not high level stuff. They looked like a little league during the fifth inning. It's what happens in little league. It is insanely awful.

It isn't all Judge's fault. But if he makes that catch....

 

[NJHusky]

More fans should be criticizing the Yankees front office for telling the fanbase that they are on a budget talking more about a budget than a world series when prices for tickets are going up. You know the Dodgers number priority is winning a World Series.

Agree....but worse than that IMO is Boone. The on field defensive lapses, pitching staff substitutions and atrocious base running are 100% Boone's issues. I know they will pick up his option, but he needs to go.

 

[navery12]

Volpe gets a lot of blame on that play, but what people forget is that it was a force play at third, not a tag play. Chisholm gave Volpe an extremely small window to throw to as if it was a tag play when in fact he should have acted like a first baseman and given Volpe a wide high target to throw to. It was a mental mistake. By Chisholm.

I present this screenshot of Volpe releasing the ball with no comment

 

[twiceahusky]

Sports talk radio is the male equivalent of soap operas. I can’t fathom that a fan’s team losing puts them in a bad mood for a day or two, and that it’s so important that they have to call a radio station to tell lots of people x, y, and z.

Says a guy that has to write in a sports forum to tell lots of people x, y, and z.

 

[RuffRuff]

Says a guy that has to write in a sports forum to tell lots of people x, y, and z.

Sports has a lot of meaning to lots of people. It’s community, often generational pass down with deep aspect of tradition, childhood memories. People get passionate, can’t fault them for that.

 

[UCTitleTown]

When you make $40-50 million a year plus endorsements for playing a kids' game, criticism is part of the deal.

 

[Martin]

Considering all of the crap I dealt with as a kid surrounded by Yankees fans, having lived through Buckner and even Bucky Dent, deal with it. Buckner was a nice guy to.

 

[Excalibur]

Of course criticism comes with the territory. Doesn't change the fact that at least a third of the population is made up of total degenerates with zero class whatsoever.

 

[SubbaBub]

Occupational hazard. Their trade is ultimately to convince people to emotionally invest in what they do. These days, it's also to emotionally invest in their personal brands which is incredibly difficult to separate from them personally, even if their public persona is completely fabricated.

As a result, some people will take things too far and that is a very real problem that has become much worse but has always been part of the celebrity culture. The celebrity bar is much, much lower today.

If you want to be a good fan, then realize where the lines between fandom, fanaticism, and obsession are pull back if necessary. They are just people who are good at their job. People like that are everywhere.

 

[DRBackup]

I went back and rewatched the play just to confirm how goofy a take this is. #Confirmed.

Yeah, its a bang-bang play. Chisholm didn't have time to "set up", he would have caught it wherever it was thrown. Happened to be thrown in the dirt.

 

[Hunt for 7]

All I know as a life long Yankee fan, this team especially the manager have found away to diminish the Yankee legacy. Few more years of Boone and the Yankees will become the UCLA of baseball.

Remembered for what the did in history but no longer making history.

Judge stunk in the post season it happens but the criticism comes with the money and territory.

Boone is another story, I can think of ten better baseball managers than Boone.

When a team fails at the basics of the game then you have to look at the manager.

He should not keep his job. And if they don’t go out and literally break the bank like George Sr would have done after a World Series then they should also get rid of the no beard BS. They are not respecting the other parts of his legacy so why don’t they just let go of this archaic policy.

Hal, Cashman and Boone all have issues. Hal can’t be fired, Cashman well it’s just run it’s course great run but time to move on. And I have no idea how Boone has kept his job as long as he has it is just amazing.

 

[Scoe]

All I know as a life long Yankee fan, this team especially the manager have found away to diminish the Yankee legacy. Few more years of Boone and the Yankees will become the UCLA of baseball.

Remembered for what the did in history but no longer making history.

Judge stunk in the post season it happens but the criticism comes with the money and territory.

Boone is another story, I can think of ten better baseball managers than Boone.

When a team fails at the basics of the game then you have to look at the manager.

The problem is its accepted from Hal who has also diminished the Yankee legacy. Boone is a yes man so they won’t move on from him. Don’t you find it very odd that Hal still hasn’t released a single statement. How about a message congratulating the Dodgers and tell your fanbase you failed to reach your ultimate goal of winning a World Series and will do everything in their power to get back there take some accountability and show your fanbase that you actually care.

 

[Hunt for 7]

The problem is its accepted from Hal who has also diminished the Yankee legacy. Boone is a yes man so they won’t move on from him. Don’t you find it very odd that Hal still hasn’t released a single statement. How about a message congratulating the Dodgers and tell your fanbase you failed to reach your ultimate goal of winning a World Series and will do everything in their power to get back there take some accountability and show your fanbase that you actually care.

Exactly, say what you want about George but as a fan you always knew it bothered him as much as the fans and if he was still around the proverbial sh$$t would be hitting the fan…….pun not intended….!

It would be hitting everyone that anything to do with the product that took the field in the world series …and especially game five. Just by winning that game they would have made history by being the only team to force game six after going down 3-0.

If they do that at a minimum they help preserve an eroding franchise legacy….and give us fans some feeling we can win a world title with Judge as our center piece.

The only way Hal can save any credibility at this point is to get Soto to come back. If he gets outbid….because I think Soto pretty much put that out there….that he is going to the highest bidder….game over Hal….just sell the team.

 

[RuffRuff]

All I know as a life long Yankee fan, this team especially the manager have found away to diminish the Yankee legacy. Few more years of Boone and the Yankees will become the UCLA of baseball.

Remembered for what the did in history but no longer making history.

Judge stunk in the post season it happens but the criticism comes with the money and territory.

Boone is another story, I can think of ten better baseball managers than Boone.

When a team fails at the basics of the game then you have to look at the manager.

He should not keep his job. And if they don’t go out and literally break the bank like George Sr would have done after a World Series then they should also get rid of the no beard BS. They are not respecting the other parts of his legacy so why don’t they just let go of this archaic policy.

Hal, Cashman and Boone all have issues. Hal can’t be fired, Cashman well it’s just run its course great run but time to move on. And I have no idea how Boone has kept his job as long as he has it is just amazing.

I’m all for seeing through a manager and not punting prematurely but with Boone it’s getting to the point where it feels more like brass apathy. When you see scouting reports that other teams recognize your base running, OF positioning and hitting cut offs as a weakness, that’s on the manager. If nothing else, a manager should be drilling fundamentals. And it showed in the ALCS. Nothing about him is impressive, be it BP management or just feeling inspirational. He’s a bit of a gump, and it generally shows in the team culture.

The Yanks have definitely lost their aura in the new regime/stadium. I still don’t know why they decided to blow up that old smelly stadium. It may not have been current, but it was a museum, stunk of history and winning. It’s impossible to replicate that. You just got a feeling when you stepped inside of it and that energy fed the players and fans. The new mall is as characterless a baseball venue as it gets.

As a Mets fan part of the entertainment of the post season was hoping for the Yanks to lose, for the fans to wallow, George to blow a gasket. That just isn’t there anymore. As the centerpiece, as great as Judge is in the regular season, has not showed up when it matters and has little in leadership traits. This team has talent but feels flat. The one guy that brought some life was Soto and he’s likely gone.

 

[Hunt for 7]

I’m all for seeing through a manager and not punting prematurely but with Boone it’s getting to the point where it feels more like brass apathy. When you see scouting reports that other teams recognize your base running, OF positioning and hitting cut offs as a weakness, that’s on the manager. If nothing else, a manager should be drilling fundamentals. And it showed in the ALCS. Nothing about him is impressive, be it BP management or just feeling inspirational. He’s a bit of a gump, and it generally shows in the team culture.

The Yanks have definitely lost their aura in the new regime/stadium. I still don’t know why they decided to blow up that old smelly stadium. It may not have been current, but it was a museum, stunk of history and winning. It’s impossible to replicate that. You just got a feeling when you stepped inside of it and that energy fed the players and fans. The new mall is as characterless a baseball venue as it gets.

As a Mets fan part of the entertainment of the post season was hoping for the Yanks to lose, for the fans to wallow, George to blow a gasket. That just isn’t there anymore. As the centerpiece, as great as Judge is in the regular season, has not showed up when it matters and has little in leadership traits. This team has talent but feels flat. The one guy that brought some life was Soto and he’s likely gone.

The likely gone comment I think is premature. He is going to the highest bidder and if Hal does not understand he cannot be out bid regardless of the impact to current team finances…..he is truly not the man for the job he should sell.

 

[Edward Sargent]

In a perfect world, we'd all take a step back when our teams are losing.

In this world, we get emotional. You've got to be mentally tough enough to not let the noise get to you. Don't become a public figure if criticism ruins you.

I think you have to be mentally tougher in NYC than elsewhere (maybe not Philly). I also think the emotions of today's world run a lot hotter than before

 

[superjohn]