Discuss the Pats rebuild.

[Husky25]

Not worried about Josh as OC as long as he simplifies things. Can't run what we ran with Brady. There's almost no WR in the NFL that can even do what Brady required. It's just not how football is played now.

Agree some coordinators just aren't HC material. Spagnuolo is obviously a fantastic DC. Kingsbury may get another HC job but I have huge doubts. Both guys the Pats just hired are likely done with that, they should provide long term continuity. Had we gone with someone like Lafleur at OC he'd be gone in two years.

Kingsbury will get a look. Maybe this cycle, but probably next cycle. For one thing, he is still getting HC money from Arizona (and will for the next two seasons), which allows him to be picky. Going deep in the playoffs is working against him this season, and with three jobs filled, what do the remaining teams have to offer?

I think Vegas is most attractive. They have the 2nd most cap space, are in line to pick a young quarterback, and at least one supportive minority owner.

Jacksonville is evidently no longer a craphole, but it is still dysfunctional. Liam Coen pulled himself out from consideration and Khan just fired their GM who was supposedly helping him in the coaches search. I also don't think Trevor Lawrence is their answer at QB.

New Orleans is nearly $60 million over the projected cap, with a roster that is not very good to begin with, and the Dallas job is handicapped by the GM...I mean owner...I mean director of Player Personnel. They aren't in cap hell, but they aren't sitting pretty either.

At the end of the day, I think Kingsbury is happy to sit tight, gets more weapons (Washington is still 3rd behind New England and Vegas in terms of Cap room at $90M) and lords over the further development of Jayden Daniels.

 

[Deepster]

As I said, 3,800 yards and a 22/13 TD:INT ratio as a rookie is quite serviceable and last time I checked, the 4th QB on the AFC Pro Bowl roster is a Pro Bowler nonetheless. He led the AFC passers with 112 yards in the game itself.

Are you trying to ruin all of your credibility?

Here are some recent "Pro Bowl QB's" - Mitch Trubisky, Ryan Tannehill and Tyler Huntley.

 

[Husky25]

Are you trying to ruin all of your credibility?

Here are some recent "Pro Bowl QB's" - Mitch Trubisky, Ryan Tannehill and Tyler Huntley.

What? You mean Zach Wilson didn't make the list?

Trubisky was 11-3 when he made the Pro Bowl, in his second season and his star was rising. Tannehill was quite serviceable with Tennessee. He was also named CPOY. I have no explanation for Huntley other than a ballot stuffing prank.

Be that as it may, the Jets would welcome all three of those guys to compete for starts next season. They may have to, considering Rodgers takes up $49M under their cap.

I am just stating facts. I also find it interesting that no consideration is even being paid to 3,800 yards, 23 TD vs. only 13 INTs and a playoff appearance as a rookie, with Josh McDaniels as his offensive coordinator.

 

[Deepster]

What? You mean Zach Wilson didn't make the list?

Trubisky was 11-3 when he made the Pro Bowl, in his second season and his star was rising. Tannehill was quite serviceable with Tennessee. He was also named CPOY. I have no explanation for Huntley other than a ballot stuffing prank.

Be that as it may, the Jets would welcome all three of those guys to compete for starts next season. They may have to, considering Rodgers takes up $49M under their cap.

I am just stating facts. I also find it interesting that no consideration is even being paid to 3,800 yards, 23 TD vs. only 13 INTs and a playoff appearance as a rookie, with Josh McDaniels as his offensive coordinator.

I'm all for rose-colored glasses but sometimes you have no semblance in reality whatsoever....like listing Mac Jones had 112 yds passing in a Pro Bowl. That's maybe the dumbest stat I've ever seen used to make a point on this board. No offense.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Back to rebuild topic if you guys are done insulting each other. Draft board is already starting to shuffle and that will continue. It's like people forget every year that the Senior Bowl and Combine will create risers and fallers. Looks like Carter may go before pick #4. I still think it's defense at #4 or trade back. Some fans complaining that QBs not going 1-2 means we don't get Carter. Ok. It also means the Raiders will want #4. Trade back, take a LT, load up on 2nd round picks.

Vrabel gets his right hand man, who now also has some insight into what McVay does. Can't hurt.

 

[Husky25]

I'm all for rose-colored glasses but sometimes you have no semblance in reality whatsoever....like listing Mac Jones had 112 yds passing in a Pro Bowl. That's maybe the dumbest stat I've ever seen used to make a point on this board. No offense.

I think you're missing the forest for the trees here. His performance put him in line for the honor. Not even that. The overarching point is what McDaniels was able to do with him and what might have been if McDaniels wasn't hired away or Jones was mishandled in 2022.

C'est la vie. The Patriots have their head guy, a supremely competent play caller, and promising QB. I like where they are and seem to be headed.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I think you're missing the forest for the trees here. His performance put him inline for the honor. Not even that. The overarching point is what McDaniels was able to do with him and what might have been if McDaniels wasn't hired away or Jones was mishandled in 2022.

C'est la vie. The Patriots have their head guy, a supremely competent play caller, and promising QB. I like where they are and seem to be headed.

Nobody was going to make Mac "good". His arm is just too limited. But that validates how good a job they did to work within his limitations. With Maye, I'm looking forward to it.

There was no winning in that draft. Six QBs went. Lawrence, the can't miss guy, has been just serviceable. The other five aren't even that (although Fields is close to it). Maybe it was Covid, but the evaluations in that draft were awful.