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whaler11 said:
He gets a ton of credit and he's earned it - but there are a ton of really good players on defense. It really doesn't take a savant to lead this talent to success against this schedule.
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I think Brown's system makes players better. Trevardo doesn't become UCONN's all time sack leader under Edsall's read and react defense. Many of Trevardo's sacks occurred when Brown brings everyone to the the line to confuse the offensive linemen and Trevardo got to the QB untouched. Sio and Smallwood have been setting up camp in our opponents backfield all season and that doesn't happen without Brown's aggressive style.

"Solve your problems with aggression" gets mocked a lot on this board but it has made the players better.
 
businesslawyer said:
As a run defending corner, Dwayne is real, real good. But he's not in Tyvon's league. But I don't know I've seen a college corner who was.

But I'm not arguing with you. This is a really good D, with six senior starters (not counting Jesse Joseph) and anyone who thinks a bunch of youngsters we've never seen are going to enter the starting lineup at that level is delusional. Trevardo didn't. Dwayne didn't. Jory Johnson didn't. Ryan Wirth took four years to become a starter.
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I certainly wasn't arguing with you. It was nice to think about Fincher, Perkins, Branch, Cody Brown and Jasper instead of Pasqualoni and GDL.
 
Dez didn't say the D wouldn't take a step back. He just said he didn't think it would be as big of step back than people think. His reasons:

- Stewart coming in at LB with Ashiru and Vann gaining some experience this year.

- Joseph coming back for his 5th year.

- He insinuated 1 or 2 kids may move from S to CB to ease the loss of our starting 2. Personally I think it makes sense to move Jones there. I've heard Marder, who is redshirting, is also being looked at there.
 
HuskyNan said:
Right. Internet board fans being so logical and rational and all.

Des has a different opinion. Not sure why he deserves to be pilloried for it.
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Yeah we are all just idiotic internet morons. No way we are right on this one.

If Des were just wrong he'd be excused, since people generally like him. He's the one that chooses to be an arrogant in combination with being spectacularly wrong.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
Dez didn't say the D wouldn't take a step back. He just said he didn't think it would be as big of step back than people think. His reasons:

- Stewart coming in at LB with Ashiru and Vann gaining some experience this year.

- Joseph coming back for his 5th year.

- He insinuated 1 or 2 kids may move from S to CB to ease the loss of our starting 2. Personally I think it makes sense to move Jones there. I've heard Marder, who is redshirting, is also being looked at there.
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The safeties have been pretty good but if you move Jones or Adams doesn't that just create a different question mark?

You'll convince me that the linebacker play will be acceptable when I see Moore and Johnson replaced.
 
metsfan2323 said:
I think Brown's system makes players better. Trevardo doesn't become UCONN's all time sack leader under Edsall's read and react defense. Many of Trevardo's sacks occurred when Brown brings everyone to the the line to confuse the offensive linemen and Trevardo got to the QB untouched. Sio and Smallwood have been setting up camp in our opponents backfield all season and that doesn't happen without Brown's aggressive style.

"Solve your problems with aggression" gets mocked a lot on this board but it has made the players better.
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And yet, we forced far more turnovers reading and reacting in '10, starting these guys as sophomores.

Brown is a good coach, but this is a good defense because it has good personnel, and it would succeed at any style a good coach asked it to play,
 
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whaler11 said:
The safeties have been pretty good but if you move Jones or Adams doesn't that just create a different question mark?

You'll convince me that the linebacker play will be acceptable when I see Moore and Johnson replaced.
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Would you rather see Adams and Brown at Safety with Jones at CB or Stevenson and Tyree Clark starting at both corner spots?
 
businesslawyer said:
And yet, we forced far more turnovers reading and reacting in '10, starting these guys as sophomores.
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I keep hearing this but I never see any stats. I believe you but what are the numbers?

I also believe Brown's system makes the corner backs better the way Rex Ryan made Revis better. There never would have been a "Revis Island" without Rex Ryan because Ryan put Revis in man to man matchups instead of the zone his predecessors used.

Safety was traditionally a disaster under Edsall and now it is solid with a group of underclassmen playing with aggression.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
Would you rather see Adams and Brown at Safety with Jones at CB or Stevenson and Tyree Clark starting at both corner spots?
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I have no idea. Haven't seen enough of them to know.
 
metsfan2323 said:
I keep hearing this but I never see any stats. I believe you but what are the numbers?

I also believe Brown's system makes the corner backs better the way Rex Ryan made Revis better. There never would have been a "Revis Island" without Rex Ryan because Ryan put Revis in man to man matchups instead of the zone his predecessors used.

Safety was traditionally a disaster under Edsall and now it is solid with a group of underclassmen playing with aggression.
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Safety was a disaster under Edsall because he had bad safeties, it wasn't scheme. Just didn't recruit good enough players.
 
metsfan2323 said:
Our current safeties are Edsall recruits. Brown made them better. The guy can flat out coach.
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Well we don't know how they would have played without Brown but I don't disagree he's a good coach. I wasn't lumping these guys into the Junior era at safety.
 
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Giving Coach Brown an awful lot of credit, no? Don't you see that most opponents have figured out his program. LB's play way to close to the line to support and stop the run. Middle of the field is always wide open for receivers. No DB's except for starting CB's can cover opponents receivers. Slot receivers, covered by our LB's or safeties kill us every game. No pressure on the QB the last 5 games.
Sorry to say, he has been exposed.
 
It is way too easy to list 100 reasons to cut loose HCPP. What is the reason(s) to keep him?
 
UCONN FB said:
Giving Coach Brown an awful lot of credit, no? Don't you see that most opponents have figured out his program. LB's play way to close to the line to support and stop the run. Middle of the field is always wide open for receivers. No DB's except for starting CB's can cover opponents receivers. Slot receivers, covered by our LB's or safeties kill us every game. No pressure on the QB the last 5 games.
Sorry to say, he has been exposed.
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Throwing out WMU why has Syracuse only scored then?
 
HuskyNan said:
Right. Internet board fans being so logical and rational and all.

Des has a different opinion. Not sure why he deserves to be pilloried for it.
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His opinion is based on irrational reasons. As far as I can tell, his main criticism is that DeLeone is misusing Tebucky Jones. Seriously.
 
UCONN FB said:
Giving Coach Brown an awful lot of credit, no? Don't you see that most opponents have figured out his program. LB's play way to close to the line to support and stop the run. Middle of the field is always wide open for receivers. No DB's except for starting CB's can cover opponents receivers. Slot receivers, covered by our LB's or safeties kill us every game. No pressure on the QB the last 5 games.
Sorry to say, he has been exposed.
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I'll bite. I'll give DB more than an awful lot of credit. Here's what I see. Forget the numbers that will make him a valuable commodity in the offseason. Other than Western Michigan's fast start and the second-half collapse at Syracuse, the defense is playing its ass off. DB has done a stellar job in motivating his players despite the lack of leadership at the top and on the other side of the ball.

Wanna know what's been exposed? We're 2-4 in games when we hold the opponent under 20. That GDL was able to get his hands on our offense and then the offensive line has time and time again exposed a poor hiring process by an AD and then a head coach who were both way over their heads.
 
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UCONN FB said:
Giving Coach Brown an awful lot of credit, no? Don't you see that most opponents have figured out his program. LB's play way to close to the line to support and stop the run. Middle of the field is always wide open for receivers. No DB's except for starting CB's can cover opponents receivers. Slot receivers, covered by our LB's or safeties kill us every game. No pressure on the QB the last 5 games.
Sorry to say, he has been exposed.
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We just gave up under 300 yards and 14 points to a team that has had no issues moving the ball and scoring. What is your definition for what the Defense is supposed to do -- shut everyone out and hold them to no yards?
 
It's hard to be critical of the defense when they spend so much of the game on the field. The offense doesn't sustain much and rarely scores. I think we had a 14 or 15 play drive the last game. That was amazing!
 
whaler11 said:
How could losing Trevardo, Gratz, BWW and Moore not be as bad as people think.

All four are in the conversation for the best all time players at their positions in program history.

Who is replacing them next year playing at their level? Wilson and Williams. Come on - If everyone wasn't hurt Williams' sack total would be disgusting.
They could go a decade without having a corner like Wilson easily.
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agreed - Todd McShay and the boys have him ranked as the #5 CB right now... that's big time.
 
whaler11 said:
Well we don't know how they would have played without Brown but I don't disagree he's a good coach. I wasn't lumping these guys into the Junior era at safety.
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"I don't disagree"???

woah ... I guess I understood.
 
Pudge said:
"I don't disagree"???

woah ... I guess I understood.
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That's Whaler channeling his "inner lawyer." I use hedging phrases like that all the time.

The defense underperformed its talent last year, and is playing very, very well this year albeit with a lot of talent. Overall, Brown is doing fine. I'm not sure the two years combined are deserving of him being canonized, but he's doing fine.
 
businesslawyer said:
That's Whaler channeling his "inner lawyer." I use hedging phrases like that all the time.

The defense underperformed its talent last year, and is playing very, very well this year albeit with a lot of talent. Overall, Brown is doing fine. I'm not sure the two years combined are deserving of him being canonized, but he's doing fine.
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Defense is playing really well. The biggest contributors were already here and mostly developed so while I think he's done a good job I can't go crazy with praise until some underclassmen step up. There have been a couple and there isn't a ton of opportunity yet, but the jury is still out on that.
 
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businesslawyer said:
That's Whaler channeling his "inner lawyer." I use hedging phrases like that all the time.

The defense underperformed its talent last year, and is playing very, very well this year albeit with a lot of talent. Overall, Brown is doing fine. I'm not sure the two years combined are deserving of him being canonized, but he's doing fine.
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I'm as much of a Brown fan as I could be. Position coach wise- Coordinator: he is someone you could build upon. But, I thought that way about Foley. And I really like Hughes' development of DLine guys. At a certain point with this defense ... and morale on an overall team ... you just have to admit that this is seriously tough to play 60 minutes where your offence is not going to get you near the points you need to win.

I thought Gratz & Wilson would give us plenty of options this year. Losing Teddy & Jesse hurt bigtime. But ... more than anything, you are just watching crap on the other side of the ball.
 
I don't remember where I wrote it, but somewhere recently the defense was being discussed, and yes - there are some issues with D that can cleaned up, and things they can do significnatly better. We play a completely different game on D, than we did two years ago, and at the same time, we've brought out points allowed average down to approx the same it was when we had our best defenses in the BIg East years, and we're doing it with a team that is turning the ball over a hell of a lot more on offense.

If our offense could manage about 17 points a game, on a dozen possesions on average, without killing us with turnovers, we are probably undefeated right now. But that doesn't mean , because we're really 3-6.
 
UCONN FB said:
It is way too easy to list 100 reasons to cut loose HCPP. What is the reason(s) to keep him?
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He is still the most successful D1 college football coach in New England in the last 18 months.
 
UCONN FB said:
Giving Coach Brown an awful lot of credit, no? Don't you see that most opponents have figured out his program. LB's play way to close to the line to support and stop the run. Middle of the field is always wide open for receivers. No DB's except for starting CB's can cover opponents receivers. Slot receivers, covered by our LB's or safeties kill us every game. No pressure on the QB the last 5 games.
Sorry to say, he has been exposed.
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There isn't much pressure because UConn is onto its 4th and 5th DE's due to injury. Jesse Joseph is sorely missed, but wouldn't be as missed if Jennings hadn't gone down before him. Now even one of their replacements is down as well. Trevardo Williams is getting doubled every pass play. So you are right, we aren't getting much pressure of late, but you can't put that all on the coach. If you keep put winning a ballgame entirely on the defense eventually they are going to fail at some point. We saw that in Rutgers and especially in the Temple game. You want to criticize the defense, call them out for giving up a big play on third down a couple of times a game.....but my take is that they are pressing so hard to make something happen so the offense gets the ball in good position that it comes back to bite them. That or they are so damn tired because the offense can't keep them off the field for more than a couple of minutes.
 
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