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UCername said:
He is still the most successful D1 college football coach in New England in the last 18 months.
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No, New Hampshire's coach is.

Sadly for BCU, saying "FBS" or "1A" would be accurate.
 
whaler11 said:
He doesn't defend PP? Are you for real?
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I feel you whaler11, im on the courant site daily and I can't stand when Dez says "the coaches wants to win and they're doing what they're suppose to do, but the players have to execute." That's defending the coaches in my eyes!
 
Dez is a nice guy, hard working, honest, and honorable.

IMO, the problem is it's very easy to disagree with his opinions because what he sees and reports don't mesh with the product we see on the field.
 
UconnFamily said:
I feel you whaler11, im on the courant site daily and I can't stand when Dez says "the coaches wants to win and they're doing what they're suppose to do, but the players have to execute." That's defending the coaches in my eyes!
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He's stating a truism with that quote. If Urban Meyer is coaching, the players still have to execute.
 
businesslawyer said:
He's stating a truism with that quote. If Urban Meyer is coaching, the players still have to execute.
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He's stating more than that. If that's a direct quote, he is saying the coaches are doing their jobs but the players aren't. The "coaches are", the "but the players have to" clearly shows he thinks the problem is the players, not the coaching. Which is ironic since he's written about the talent and weapons the team has in the spring.

At what point does the coach accept that defenses are keying on the wildcat and except for 1 every 10-12 plays it results in negative or very little yards? A good coach recognizes what the players can and can't execute. Every time he puts Whitmer under center he looks like he's going to get murdered on play action. Nobody is falling for it, keep him in the shotgun. Especially when we're losing late and need a TD drive to tie it up, putting him under center is going to get him killed.
 
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I'm defending neither the coaches nor Connor. But anyone -- coach, writer, fan -- saying that the players have to execute to make things work is in fact a truism. As Wing points out, execution alone is not enough. But I didn't hear Dez or I say it was.
 
businesslawyer said:
I'm defending neither the coaches nor Connor. But anyone -- coach, writer, fan -- saying that the players have to execute to make things work is in fact a truism. As Wing points out, execution alone is not enough. But I didn't hear Dez or I say it was.
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Actually, it sounds to me like he is saying that the coaches making the right decisions are some kind foregone conclusion and the rest is up to the players.
 
So when Byron Jones dropped the pick Saturday night that would have given us the lead and might very well have cost us the game, that was something other than a failure of execution? Coaches fault for having killed his confidence prior to his not making the play? What.

Sometimes, this board is like Fox News or MSNBC. Once "the crowd" makes up its mind about somebody, then everything they do is wrong and nothing is right. I am not a big fan of Dez's, and this staff has overall failed to date, but not everything that talks about something other than these factors is wrong just because of those factors.

Players have to execute. And coaches have to coach and scheme. They are not anywhere near mutually exclusive.
 
Against a defense that bad, it should never come down to one catch. USF has a bad defense, and yet DeLeone made them look like Alabama.

I don't disagree with what you at saying in principle. I'm not saying that execution is less important, but in this case the bad coaching is overriding everything.

businesslawyer said:
So when Byron Jones dropped the pick Saturday night that would have given us the lead and might very well have cost us the game, that was something other than a failure of execution? Coaches fault for having killed his confidence prior to his not making the play? What.

Sometimes, this board is like Fox News or MSNBC. Once "the crowd" makes up its mind about somebody, then everything they do is wrong and nothing is right. I am not a big fan of Dez's, and this staff has overall failed to date, but not everything that talks about something other than these factors is wrong just because of those factors.

Players have to execute. And coaches have to coach and scheme. They are not anywhere near mutually exclusive.
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ZooCougar said:
Against a defense that bad, it should never come down to one catch. USF has a bad defense, and yet DeLeone made them look like Alabama.

I don't disagree with what you at saying in principle. I'm not saying that execution is less important, but in this case the bad coaching is overriding everything.
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I agree, and have not said anything in this thread about disagreeing. But people should be allowed to make true statements without being criticized, even if the true statement is not what the mob is crying out for.
 
businesslawyer said:
Once "the crowd" makes up its mind about somebody, then everything they do is wrong and nothing is right.
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Like global cooling, until it was warming, except now it's climate change.

I don't recall anyone making the argument that the two are mutually exclusive. You're not defending the coaches, you're not defending Dez, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
 
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businesslawyer said:
So when Byron Jones dropped the pick Saturday night that would have given us the lead and might very well have cost us the game, that was something other than a failure of execution? Coaches fault for having killed his confidence prior to his not making the play? What.

Sometimes, this board is like Fox News or MSNBC. Once "the crowd" makes up its mind about somebody, then everything they do is wrong and nothing is right. I am not a big fan of Dez's, and this staff has overall failed to date, but not everything that talks about something other than these factors is wrong just because of those factors.

Players have to execute. And coaches have to coach and scheme. They are not anywhere near mutually exclusive.
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All very true.

I'll just add that it's completely unrealistic to expect a football player to do the correct things, and make the play, 100% of the time.

When mistakes happen, and they ALWAYS happen, to everybody on the field, they are either magnified, or hidden in the larger picture of the game.

It takes an incredible amount of focus on the specific moment - and nothing else - discipline and concentration, and natural ability both as individuals and greater, by the team unit on the field, to be able to win close games regularly. It's not something we've been able to build and learn to do yet with this new regime of coaches and players.
 
businesslawyer said:
I agree, and have not said anything in this thread about disagreeing. But people should be allowed to make true statements without being criticized, even if the true statement is not what the mob is crying out for.
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Except not everything in that statement is true. The coaches aren't doing their jobs.
 
I don't really think Dez is much different than your average poster. He hated Edsall and likes PP so to further that agenda he puts more blame on the players than coaches.

Based on Dez's analysis of players in the past I don't put much stock in him as a judge of talent. Of course players still have to execute but when you take what I feel is 7-8 win talent two years in a row and barely win that many games over the course of two seasons we are going to land on different ends of the blame spectrum.
 
WingU-Conn said:
Like global cooling, until it was warming, except now it's climate change.

I don't recall anyone making the argument that the two are mutually exclusive. You're not defending the coaches, you're not defending Dez, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
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I was defending a particular statement Dez made as being innocuous. Apparently, I'm supposed to accept that everything he says is wrong.

I've wasted enough time defending Dez. As I said, plenty that he does that I'm not a fan of.
 
businesslawyer said:
So when Byron Jones dropped the pick Saturday night that would have given us the lead and might very well have cost us the game, that was something other than a failure of execution? Coaches fault for having killed his confidence prior to his not making the play?
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I thought coaches of players who make that catch or hit the FG's in the Temple game get to F the head cheerleader.

You are completely contradicting yourself.
 
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When you get the access to the coaches and players like Des has gotten what do you think he's gonna say?

With Edsall not so much.
 
sdhusky said:
I thought coaches of players who make that catch or hit the FG's in the Temple game get to F the head cheerleader.

You are completely contradicting yourself.
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Yellow card.
 
Just read through the live chat transcript on the TIC website 2 interesting things.
1) Des mentioned that the running game might be helped by using another RB but the coaches are being stubborn. This goes back to PP saying he likes to stay with one RB which drives me nuts. Christ, Butch Jones is talking about a QB competition and sat Laqeaux last game as he won't put up with inconsistency from players. What a novel idea! And they are winning!!
2) Someone said they heard from players family that GDL is reaming the scout team out when they blow up plays by our offense. Also Des mentions how GDL could care less about being d'''. There are many ways to motivate a team but what GDL is doing isn't working. Especially considering that he is a fossil. He is a cancer that needs to go- my opinion there.
 
jdb50 said:
Just read through the live chat transcript on the TIC website 2 interesting things.
1) Des mentioned that the running game might be helped by using another RB but the coaches are being stubborn. This goes back to PP saying he likes to stay with one RB which drives me nuts. Christ, Butch Jones is talking about a QB competition and sat Laqeaux last game as he won't put up with inconsistency from players. What a novel idea! And they are winning!!
2) Someone said they heard from players family that GDL is reaming the scout team out when they blow up plays by our offense. Also Des mentions how GDL could care less about being d'''. There are many ways to motivate a team but what GDL is doing isn't working. Especially considering that he is a fossil. He is a cancer that needs to go- my opinion there.
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I give Dez credit for continuing to hold them but they are becoming a bit of a joke. Same arguments week to week just with different pseudonyms. I'll tell you what...that post by the alleged "9 y/o" was more articulate than 95% of the posts here. Not arguing with the message but I have a spot in the Sugar Bowl available if you believe that was written by a kid.
 
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I love this board - you could type Man Lands on the Moon and someone would respond who cares, PP and GDL suck. They may, but I'm not sure hijacking every thread to repeat that is entirely necessary.

1. Why are folks so pissed at the messenger? You do understand his job is to report, not provide opinions. I understand that the difference has gotten blurred with some of the hard hitting news folks see on CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc., but he is the messenger. You can shoot him, but it won't change one single thing. Besides, read any coachspeak after a loss and you'll see we didn't execute, we didn't take care of details, etc. It's frigging coachspeak!

2. I am in the camp of the D will be just fine next year and expect little if any dropoff. Folks were nervous when 3 young pups named Lutrus, Bama and Lloyd were thrust in to starting roles, and the dropoff has been .... Folks were nervous when young pups BWW and Gratz were thrown in to the fire, particularly the latter who stepped in under the worst of circumstances,a dn the dropoff has been ..... There is depth here - the young LBs behind the starters will be really good. Jones at CB will be terrific. One of the FL kids will step up and grab the other corner, with Stephenson as nickel. You can already see Adams' play. If Jesse comes back, great. If not, Norris and Battles-Santos and Pruitt and Willman will step up. It's the nature of the beast, but we've seen this before - how can we replace ...., and each time we have.

Now, back to the regualrly scheduled I hate GDL portion of the show ....
 
businesslawyer said:
So when Byron Jones dropped the pick Saturday night that would have given us the lead and might very well have cost us the game, that was something other than a failure of execution? Coaches fault for having killed his confidence prior to his not making the play? What.

Sometimes, this board is like Fox News or MSNBC. Once "the crowd" makes up its mind about somebody, then everything they do is wrong and nothing is right. I am not a big fan of Dez's, and this staff has overall failed to date, but not everything that talks about something other than these factors is wrong just because of those factors.

Players have to execute. And coaches have to coach and scheme. They are not anywhere near mutually exclusive.
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The defense isn't the problem BL it's the coaches on the offensive-side of the ball... If we didn't suck on offense because of poor coaching then Byron Jones drop wouldn't be a big deal... that's why he's a safety not a WR!

What causes us the game is coach DL's poor play calling, he's continuing to use the wildcat after big plays and 99% of the time its a run, giving the O-Line stupid assignments, not rotating RB's, running 166 lbs RB up the gut 30 times a game, no adjustments..... all this easily caused us every game, not Byron Jones drop which is minuscule to the bigger issue!

I understand player's have to execute, however having to execute when the opposing defense knows exactly what your going to do on offense makes it really difficult to execute...

USF was 85th in the country against the run and we only rushed for about 40 yards!!! that defense knew exactly what they needed to do! It starts with the coaches BL.
 
businesslawyer said:
I was defending a particular statement Dez made as being innocuous. Apparently, I'm supposed to accept that everything he says is wrong.

I've wasted enough time defending Dez. As I said, plenty that he does that I'm not a fan of.
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I don't know why you create strawmen. That's nelson's job.

The statement implies the coaches are doing everything right, the players are not. You never defended that as being true, you simply restated it in your own words. Yes, players have to execute no matter what. Dez implied the coach's are doing their job, that's highly debatable.
 
gioff23 said:
I love this board - you could type Man Lands on the Moon and someone would respond who cares, PP and GDL suck. They may, but I'm not sure hijacking every thread to repeat that is entirely necessary.

1. Why are folks so pissed at the messenger? You do understand his job is to report, not provide opinions. I understand that the difference has gotten blurred with some of the hard hitting news folks see on CNN, MSNBC, Fox, etc., but he is the messenger. You can shoot him, but it won't change one single thing. Besides, read any coachspeak after a loss and you'll see we didn't execute, we didn't take care of details, etc. It's frigging coachspeak!

2. I am in the camp of the D will be just fine next year and expect little if any dropoff. Folks were nervous when 3 young pups named Lutrus, Bama and Lloyd were thrust in to starting roles, and the dropoff has been .... Folks were nervous when young pups BWW and Gratz were thrown in to the fire, particularly the latter who stepped in under the worst of circumstances,a dn the dropoff has been ..... There is depth here - the young LBs behind the starters will be really good. Jones at CB will be terrific. One of the FL kids will step up and grab the other corner, with Stephenson as nickel. You can already see Adams' play. If Jesse comes back, great. If not, Norris and Battles-Santos and Pruitt and Willman will step up. It's the nature of the beast, but we've seen this before - how can we replace ...., and each time we have.

Now, back to the regualrly scheduled I hate GDL portion of the show ....
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I always thought we'd have a great RB and. Oline to step up, too.
 
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