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JB75 said:
“Cincy , Houston and Memphis have a REAL strong history?” Houston was good in early /mid 80s then did nothing for 30 years till rob gray came along, Memphis “st” was good in mid 80s with keith lee and company then nothing till the Derek rose team 25 years later, and cincy hasn’t made it past the second round it seems like ever. I wud say they have a semi decent history but deff not real strong. Sorry to nitpick. I’m just bored during Covid. No offense.
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Not for nothing but you do know Houston's "history" goes back in to the 60's with Elvin Hayes and their match ups against Alcinder and UCLA? Houston was much more than a 2-3 year flash in the pan with Phi Slamma Jamma.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Not for nothing but you do know Houston's "history" goes back in to the 60's with Elvin Hayes and their match ups against Alcinder and UCLA? Houston was much more than a 2-3 year flash in the pan with Phi Slamma Jamma.
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Yes I kno that and so does army and navy in college football in the 40s and 50s doesn’t mean we call them a traditional powerhouse I mean Houston had a 30 year period during my lifetime when they didn’t sniff a tourney I believe. That’s pretty bad
 
Chuck said:
Why wouldn't a fan hope for the best for their school / conference?



Do I think they have any shot at replicating the True Big East? I don't think there is a chance, but I don't mock the desire. They are the old Conference USA. A loose patch work of big schools that will have some success, but not the excitement of a true conference. It's good to see some passion though.
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Realistically, this is what they should aspire to. At it's peak, when Louisville, and Marquette were still there, and Huggins had elite teams at Cincy, CUSA was a borderline power conference, which is why the BE became stronger after taking it's best teams. Never comparable to the top leagues, but in a good year, better than the worst BCS league (like the current PAC12). Their goal should be to be the best non P6 league, and keep ahead of the A10, and WCC. That would make them a 3-4 bid league, with usually a couple of teams in the rankings. That's a realistic goal.
 
Chuck said:
They are the old Conference USA.
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the AAC pales in comparison to CUSA circa 2005 when it had Memphis, Lville, Marquette, Cincy, Houston, TCU, Depaul, and St Louis.

That version of CUSA wasnt even considered a power conference and only 3 of those teams remain, so the arguments that the AAC is a power conference are beyond absurd. they should be mocked and ridiculed every time
 
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Exit 4 said:
Again from the MA story yesterday; "Financial specifics weren’t available, but the CBS Sports deal, which is over seven figures for the four years, will benefit UConn in ways similar to the average of deals in place for teams in conferences such as Conference USA, the MAAC and Mountain West.

Looks like the "over" seven figures was a mistake by MA...but then again a dollar figure on par with the MTW would be more like $2.5 per year....unless the MTW schools need to cover production which would chop that figure down.

As for the variable compensation based on team status...well thats just a logical approach.
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bendm said:
the AAC pales in comparison to CUSA circa 2005 when it had Memphis, Lville, Marquette, Cincy, Houston, TCU, Depaul, and St Louis.

That version of CUSA wasnt even considered a power conference and only 3 of those teams remain, so the arguments that the AAC is a power conference are beyond absurd. they should be mocked and ridiculed every time
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Wow. That’s a sobering piece of info. I remember thinking CUSA was good back in the Kenyon Martin days. I’m not sure, top to bottom, how good they really were though.
 
bendm said:
the AAC pales in comparison to CUSA circa 2005 when it had Memphis, Lville, Marquette, Cincy, Houston, TCU, Depaul, and St Louis.

That version of CUSA wasnt even considered a power conference and only 3 of those teams remain, so the arguments that the AAC is a power conference are beyond absurd. they should be mocked and ridiculed every time
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Don't forget Charlotte, which was a top 25 team in the 2005 time frame.
 
Hoophound said:
Wow. That’s a sobering piece of info. I remember thinking CUSA was good back in the Kenyon Martin days. I’m not sure, top to bottom, how good they really were though.
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They were top heavy, which has always been the issue with what you might call "the super mid majors". Those are the leagues that are clearly better than the one bid leagues, sometimes even putting elite teams on the floor, but are burdened by too many weaklings like East Carolina, and Tulane. They can't maintain a strong enough core to be considered with the top leagues. Houston rises, SMU falls back. Duquesne stops being a doormat, and St. Joe's takes their place at the bottom.
 
The original Big East grew organically through several different occurrences over a period of time. Local rivalries, great coaches who all came into the same league and stayed at the same schools. They were all at least solid schools with regional recruiting territory when their weren’t private planes and recruiting websites and kids tended to stay local. Then a wave of stars came through to elevate it even further (and they kept coming). When it broke up the closest thing to that was and is the ACC. My guess is they’ll stay on top since the they have a strong football conference to back it up. We’ll see how they do as their coaches retire.

I’m excited to go back to some of what we used to have but it will likely never be where it once was again. That’s ok though, sure beats the AAC.
 
UConnDan97 said:
If you have to go back to Phi Slamma Jamma to validate your pedigree, you're toast.

To put that into perspective:

1) Before Calhoun arrived at UConn.
2) Reagan still in his first term
3) The shuttle Challenger hadn't exploded yet.
4) Ray Allen was 8 years old.

Straight up comedy...
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Break out the Kangaroos, official Phi Slamma Jamma sneaks.
 
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A10 fan said:
They were top heavy, which has always been the issue with what you might call "the super mid majors". Those are the leagues that are clearly better than the one bid leagues, sometimes even putting elite teams on the floor, but are burdened by too many weaklings like East Carolina, and Tulane. They can't maintain a strong enough core to be considered with the top leagues. Houston rises, SMU falls back. Duquesne stops being a doormat, and St. Joe's takes their place at the bottom.
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I played in the old Metro against / Cinci (Louis Banks, Levertis Robinson), Fla. State (Doug Edwards), Southern Miss. (Clarence Weatherspoon (probably best player in league)), Memphis (Elliott Perry & Ernest Smith), so decent talent but lacking publicity. During that time, if you weren't in the Big East or the ACC, the coverage lacked major appeal and most players recognized that playing in the Big East meant playing on a big stage.

I bring up the Metro because in many ways it's a forerunner to Conference USA and variations thereof leading us to the current AAC. You can't deny that good ball is played in the league and there is some talent, not great talent, but the league lacks coverage. It lacks appeal. Only a real hoop junkie can identify the best player in the AAC or the top players for that matter. That is simply not the case in the P5 plus Big East. I'm curious to see whether the AAC will shake that small-time, misfit basketball legacy. Tough task.
 
We don’t need to dump on our old home. It’s a very good football conference and an ok basketball conference in which we ironically struggled mightily. The NBE is better than the AAC, but the NBE is nowhere close to the old Big East either. Let’s take care of our business and let that do the talking.
 
UConnDan97 said:
If you have to go back to Phi Slamma Jamma to validate your pedigree, you're toast.

To put that into perspective:

1) Before Calhoun arrived at UConn.
2) Reagan still in his first term
3) The shuttle Challenger hadn't exploded yet.
4) Ray Allen was 8 years old.

Straight up comedy...
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Kinda like a Knick fan bragging on Reed and Clyde.
 
No ill will towards the AAC. Look at Cinci though. 8-6, 10-10. Net 129. Those credentials in the Big East or any other major conference put you well under 100. It's not where you want to be as a hoops fan.
 
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If you look at where each school is on a map, the league screams 'Island of Misfit Toys'.
 
There is a certain amount of whistling past the graveyard in this thread. If the AAC could do in basketball what it has done on the football side, it could very well be a major power. Let’s be honest, when UConn was their we did little for the league. And within their markets, a number of AAC teams are significant players. And Big East teams are marginal ones. Seton Hall would very quickly be overshadowed in New Jersey by a successful Big 10 related Rutgers. There were times when Temple was the team people followed in Philly and Villanova was relegated to a supporting role. Xavier and Cincinnati split the market depending on which one is dominant at a given time. And while it is hard to really evaluate theBig East this year, if you are honest, you have to say after the top 3 it is not very good...maybe a bunch of equals, but hardly scary equals. DePaul stinks for the 30th consecutive year, Seton Hall is the definition of mediocre, Providence is what they have been since last we were here, St Johns hasn’t been relevant since the 1990s and likely won’t be again, Georgetown kinda sorta wishes they’d let Catholics into the Ivy League so they could associate with their equals instead of a bunch of commuter colleges, Creighton is our Wichita State. Most people couldn’t tell you what league they are in, but they kinda know they are in the Midwest and occasionally make the news for abusing basketball players.

Bottom line is the Big East is considered a power conference based on 2 things
1 Villanova
2. The legacy of what Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, West Virginia, Louisville and Cincinnati built
 
freescooter said:
There is a certain amount of whistling past the graveyard in this thread. If the AAC could do in basketball what it has done on the football side, it could very well be a major power.
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By major power do you mean have a team that runs the table every so often, but the committee still doesn't even consider them for the NCAA Tournament? Because that's the equivalent of AAC football.
 
freescooter said:
There is a certain amount of whistling past the graveyard in this thread. If the AAC could do in basketball what it has done on the football side, it could very well be a major power. Let’s be honest, when UConn was their we did little for the league. And within their markets, a number of AAC teams are significant players. And Big East teams are marginal ones. Seton Hall would very quickly be overshadowed in New Jersey by a successful Big 10 related Rutgers. There were times when Temple was the team people followed in Philly and Villanova was relegated to a supporting role. Xavier and Cincinnati split the market depending on which one is dominant at a given time. And while it is hard to really evaluate theBig East this year, if you are honest, you have to say after the top 3 it is not very good...maybe a bunch of equals, but hardly scary equals. DePaul stinks for the 30th consecutive year, Seton Hall is the definition of mediocre, Providence is what they have been since last we were here, St Johns hasn’t been relevant since the 1990s and likely won’t be again, Georgetown kinda sorta wishes they’d let Catholics into the Ivy League so they could associate with their equals instead of a bunch of commuter colleges, Creighton is our Wichita State. Most people couldn’t tell you what league they are in, but they kinda know they are in the Midwest and occasionally make the news for abusing basketball players.

Bottom line is the Big East is considered a power conference based on 2 things
1 Villanova
2. The legacy of what Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, West Virginia, Louisville and Cincinnati built
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You're underselling the Big East a bit. The conference has 3 big-name brand schools that are head and shoulders above anyone in the AAC in terms of college sports relevance in Nova, Georgetown and UConn. The Conference has the biggest college sports event in the most important city in the world, not to mention a school located in the city itself. And then finally the floor of the conferences are incomparable. DePaul is the cellar dweller in the conference and even still is located in one of the largest cities in the country and is able to punch above it's weight in recruiting. I don't know who else would be considered a drag on the conference, but whoever else you want to pool in with DePaul the comparison between them and ECU, Tulane and Tulsa is laughable.
 
goskis2018 said:
You're underselling the Big East a bit. The conference has 3 big-name brand schools that are head and shoulders above anyone in the AAC in terms of college sports relevance in Nova, Georgetown and UConn. The Conference has the biggest college sports event in the most important city in the world, not to mention a school located in the city itself. And then finally the floor of the conferences are incomparable. DePaul is the cellar dweller in the conference and even still is located in one of the largest cities in the country and is able to punch above it's weight in recruiting. I don't know who else would be considered a drag on the conference, but whoever else you want to pool in with DePaul the comparison between them and ECU, Tulane and Tulsa is laughable.
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Greedo said:
By major power do you mean have a team that runs the table every so often, but the committee still doesn't even consider them for the NCAA Tournament? Because that's the equivalent of AAC football.
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No. I mean they have very good football teams that can compete in any league in the country. And if the NCAA was limited to just 4 teams or even 8, and was run by the P5 guess how the Big East would get. You can count on 1 hand without using your fingers.
 
None of those places are near BB recruiting hotbeds. The opposite of FB.

I also can't think of a worse outcome this season than losing to Wichita State in the first round. Let's hope that neither of these things comes true.
 
freescooter said:
No. I mean they have very good football teams that can compete in any league in the country. And if the NCAA was limited to just 4 teams or even 8, and was run by the P5 guess how the Big East would get. You can count on 1 hand without using your fingers.
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Things that suck:

1) the AAC

end of list.
 
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