Smoking on the weedsTad bit worse than what... what the folks in Missouri where suspended for? Just so you are clear - I'm NOT defending his actions if true.
Except for that safety he needed for the Iowa St. game. Situational ethics for Randy.Should immediately be suspended due to the arrest, and if the charges are true, kicked off team would be fine with me.
This is a test for Coach P. One of the things I admired most about FHCRE was how he ran a clean program and quickly addressed issues.
Some fans might be fine with winning at all costs, including off the field transgressions getting slaps on the wrist. Not this fan.
There is room between "win at all costs" and "suspend someone immediately for the smallest transgression". I'm suggesting that after reviewing the facts HCPP felt comfortable rendering justice somewhere in the middle. How can you suggest he should be automatically suspended when you don't have a clue on the world what happened?
You're assuming there will be charges filed and that a lesson needs to be taught. We don't know enough to make that determination. I'm guessing others do nBut that is sort of the issue, now. Coach P has to make a decision weighing a bunch of things.
Put yourself in Coach P's shoes as a coach (assume you only know he was arrested, he was accused of spitting and pushing his girlfriend, and LM says the cops got it wrong).
I think a coach has the obligation to show his players that actions have consequences. At the very least, Lyle McCombs put himself in a terrible situation. Punishing him by sitting him 1 quarter sends no message. Teaches no lessons.
Now where we agree is, let's wait to see how long the suspension should be.
He is not going to go to jail for a misdemeanor, the charges will likely be dismissed after completion of a program. Or nolled after the court makes him take some classes.
But the allegations are concerning.
Agreed. One of the benefits of having an experienced coach is has seen this before. He probably had felt with pacmans antics in DallasHave you seen the arrest report? If so , I'll retreat on my position immediately. Until then, i intend trust HCPP who has always been a no nonsense disciplinarian.
Herbst should have stepped in.
He is accused of spitting on and pushing a woman. Suspend him for the game.
Terrible message to send the student body, and all women. Accused of spitting on and pushing a woman. Get a 1 quarter benching.
Duke lacrosse.Pushing and spitting on a female. All you need to know.
What if they're waiting to get a clearer picture of the situation and they suspend him for next week's practices and game.
Let's try settling down a bit and seeing how the whole situation plays.
If true, it's not a mall transgression regardless of victim. I'm simply suggesting HCPP had access to actual facts and rendered a decision while we are rending justice with absolutely no idea of what transpired. In such a circumstance I tend to side with coach who was never one to give players much slack.If it's your daughter is it still a small transgression?
If true, it's not a mall transgression regardless of victim. I'm simply suggesting HCPP had access to actual facts and rendered a decision while we are rending justice with absolutely no idea of what transpired. In such a circumstance I tend to side with coach who was never one to give players much slack.
For those talking about two sides: How does one quarter make sense. Either wait for legal process or suspend.
What is the point of one quarter?
Well that to me is what P feels the punishment should be for an arrest.
If that is what he thinks that is idiotic beyond the point of belief.
Last thing. Just for the record, I understand your point. Some are a little to quick to convict him. My issue is the lack of 1 game suspension based off the arrest.
We are in agreement.
Does it change your viewpoint at all that his girlfriend was also cited?
Does it change your viewpoint at all that his girlfriend was also cited?
No. He should have been suspended for the game.
Anything more is definitely open to debate, but an arrest warrants a 1 game, not a 1 quarter, suspension.
On the legal side, as I said earlier, the charge is a misdemeanor, and if he was only charged with Disorderly Conduct, it means the police officers could not corroborate that he spit on his girlfriend or pushed her (if so, the additional charge of Assult 3 would be added - also a misdemeanor).
Again, not seeing the police report like the press evidently has, I would think there was a loud disturbance, and that is why they got cited for Disorderly.
Charges will likely be nolled or dismissed after completion of a program/classes.
Jeff Jacobs (@jacobscourant)
10/6/12, 12:12 PM
We'll have to see when McCombs comes in. Didn't start after Friday arrest for fight with girlfriend. She also was cited.
Sorry but second arrest warrents a suspension.