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Dawn Staley to critics: South Carolina 'not changing' its style

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PAHuskeyFan said:
But, but, but... SC out scored Iowa when Boston was on the bench...at least in 1st half according to stats shown by the announcers. ????
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Yes. Without Cardoso, South Carolina loses by about 20. I hope we don't find out next year that she's actually better than Boston.
 
npignatjr said:
Bad voice.
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She can be an important voice or a problematic voice. Every coach has at some time used the "chip on our shoulder" motivator. It's turning that around to the outside that's problematic. Using "talk" to motivate is fine, using it to attack others is not.
 
It's not Dawn's responsibility to change the way she recruits, preps, and coaches her team just because some people don't like the type of basketball that results from it. Dawn has been very successful precisely because she understands what type of game can really shine under the way the college game is officiated.

Any responsibility for changing the college game must come from the top down. And frankly, I think it's something they should consider doing. College basketball (men's and women's both) favors a far more physical game than the pros, and it's often really ugly to watch. The pros were like that too, decades ago. They learned their lesson; maybe the college game should too.
 
fomalhaut said:
Yes. Without Cardoso, South Carolina loses by about 20. I hope we don't find out next year that she's actually better than Boston.
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I have thought Cardoso is better for a long time. She is unstoppable when she get the ball down low, yet they only tried a couple of times to do that and Cardoso was gold. Boston was made the front person for SC and dawn never wanted to change that. She was afraid to hurt Boston's confidence. SC was better with Boston on the bench. Dawn was out coached. Do I feel bad?? no

Go Hawkeyes
 
Bone Dog said:
One last thought on changing their style.

Dawn says she advised Boston to enter the draft with these words:

“There are defenses that played against her that won’t allow her to play her game,” she said, “and it’s hard to officiate that. She’s great. She’s ready.”

This says two things to me:

1) Boston's game is (perhaps has always been) overly dependent on a favorable style of reffing. She's been great for 4 years because she got officiating that suited her. As soon as she has to play in a game officiated differently, she's not nearly as great. Could she have adjusted her game and been great under different officiating? I think she absolutely could have.

2) This is all on Dawn -- this is how she coached her and encouraged her to play. Folks can defend Dawn by saying this was the way to win in the prevailing environment. And I'm moved by this. But the handwriting has been on the wall on freedom of movement fouls for a couple years now and she should have seen it coming at least as early as last November. When some of us here look for ways to articulate the limitations of Dawn's coaching, something like this is what I think of. As a game planner and skills trainer she seems narrow and rigid. Of course, she is a tremendous recruiter and program builder, perhaps the best in D1 over the past decade.

I hope -- and suspect -- a change is coming in the way the game is officiated, and that fan complaints about the rugby scrum in the paint (which has now migrated out to the perimeter) are going to be heard. Too many coaches have echoed this same concern.
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I actually took her comment very differently. The way I understand it, she's talking about how Boston likely gets double to triple teamed most games, and given how strong and pro-ready her body has been, it can be hard to officiate against her posting up against smaller players.

Boston is going to get a lot more single coverage in the WNBA, and face players who are just as strong as her. I'm excited to see how she performs.
 
TB12 said:
I have thought Cardoso is better for a long time. She is unstoppable when she get the ball down low, yet they only tried a couple of times to do that and Cardoso was gold. Boston was made the front person for SC and dawn never wanted to change that. She was afraid to hurt Boston's confidence. SC was better with Boston on the bench. Dawn was out coached. Do I feel bad?? no

Go Hawkeyes
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I can see definitely see that argument on the offensive side but defensively they’re not even close. Boston is light years better than Cardoso on the defensive side.
 
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EricLA said:
Johnson and Boston were composed and gracious. Dawn was a sore loser. Gave almost no credit to Iowa. And now whines about the lack of finesse and "extra" physical style of play that SC will continue to do.
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I agree. Dawn should have taken the high road and focused much more on praising Clark. Dawn was much too willing to let the media questions bring out her negativity. Playing the victim card didn't make her look good at all, even though I truly believe that Dawn has a very regard for Clark's talent. She should have ignored the media questions that created a mine field but I think that Dawn fell for it because she was upset about losing. I expected a better post game media appearance by her.
 
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sun said:
I agree. Dawn should have taken the high road and focused much more on praising Clark. Dawn was much too willing to let the media questions bring out her negativity. Playing the victim card didn't make her look good at all, even though I truly believe that Dawn has a very regard for Clark's talent. She should have expressed it more & ignored the media questions.
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Yeah it wasn’t a good look. The comments below ESPN’s Instagram post of Dawn’s quote seems the people agree. “Take the L and move on”
 
Just reading the quotes from the South Carolina players, you'd think there was a huge disparity in foul calls. But the box score shows Iowa with 18 fouls and South Carolina with 20 -- 3 of which were in the final 20 seconds when they had to foul to put Iowa at the line to get the ball back. So really Iowa got called for more fouls! And Iowa's posts (Czinano, Warnock, and Stuelke) -- plus Clark -- were in as much foul trouble as South Carolina's posts all game. But Iowa played through it more successfully.
 
That's enough. Find something positive to talk about or take it to a dm.
 
I agree with her than members of the media shouldn’t be making derogatory comments about players. From what I’ve observed, all of her players have seemed like great and supportive teammates. As well as a talented group of athletes.

With respect to criticism about the style they play? Fair game to me. They played the ugliest brand of basketball I’ve seen in a while this season. When a missed shot is as good as an assist, it’s just not aesthetically pleasing basketball. But it was highly effective for most of the year. Dawn definitely played to her strengths which any coach would.
 
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Coach Staley's program is okay. Their style of play defensively is tough and gritty. Offensively, they were pretty decent. Like any program, you can't do it all. South Carolina is a great program, and the way Coach Staley keeps adding top notch players, they are going to be around for a long time.
 
Staley is a good recruiter & she built a great Program in the last several years based on physical play. But, she's had some bad in-game coaching games in big pressure games over the years. Last night, she was bad. Period. Not even attempting to disrupt Clark. She let one player beat her dominant team.
 
sun said:
I agree. Dawn should have taken the high road and focused much more on praising Clark. Dawn was much too willing to let the media questions bring out her negativity. Playing the victim card didn't make her look good at all, even though I truly believe that Dawn has a very regard for Clark's talent. She should have ignored the media questions that created a mine field but I think that Dawn fell for it because she was upset about losing. I expected a better post game media appearance by her.
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What she should have said is I wish that "birdie" on the Iowa team flew to my nest. Instead she got a nice piece of humble pie, especially the way she was talking all year.
 
bovwa10 said:
Agreed, I don't see her coaching at 70 like Geno and Tara.
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I see her as someone who would gnaw her leg off to get out of a trap. She isn't going anywhere.
 
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sing a song of repeats, a pocket full of rye, four and ten little birdies, baked in a pie, when the pie was opened the birdies began to cry, wasnt that a dainty dish to set before a hawkeye. yummy boston pie ! :)
 
the way they played, they might want a liter :)
 

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