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@cancontent has it right, Dawn doesn't need a condescending pass for her rough upbringing. She's as accountable to anyone else at the top of her very demanding profession. She coaches the U.S. national team.
  • pinning the loss on Henderson's unforced turnovers or Boston's ill-timed step back would've been throwing them under the bus. She gave her team a 'not our fault' out. Probably more important to her than having UConn fans acknowledge her graciousness.
  • when Geno wants his kids under a bus, he doesn't throw them, he drives the bus.
 
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So I throw the question out there - what for you defines a coach's comment as throwing someone under the bus?

At the the 40 second mark of Dawn's post game presser and after she made the ridiculous ball comment she said, "... and our guards didn't adapt." That one phrase is when she threw her players under the bus. It was the ball that caused them to lose and her players inability or unwillingness to adapt. If instead of bringing up her players, she had said they should have practiced with the NIke ball that would have been classy. The comment is similar to Holly Warlick saying, "I tell them what to do but they don't do it." The foolishness of the ball comment stands by itself, but the ball comment is not throwing your team under the bus. It is identifying a coaches failure to prepare a team and instead of taking that blame she put it on her players that they did not adapt. That is throwing your players under the bus.
 
I think there’s some truth to that. She shines the spotlight of controversy on herself a little bit and lets the players off the hook (not that there’s really a “hook” - it was a 1 vs. 2 game on the road, not Virginia losing to UMBC in a 1-16 game).

Geno famously got himself in “hot water” with the quote about plenty of Duke grads working in restaurants prior to a big road game, and the Cameron Crazies were all over him. That sort of took some of the heat off his players, who went on to win that game (which was also 1 vs. 2 if I recall right). I still think that was on purpose - but maybe it was just Geno being Geno and it was a happy accident.


Let’s not leave out the ultimate bus driver JPM!


Hey now... no need to bring up Duke in this thread
 
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At the the 40 second mark of Dawn's post game presser and after she made the ridiculous ball comment she said, "... and our guards didn't adapt." That one phrase is when she threw her players under the bus. It was the ball that caused them to lose and her players inability or unwillingness to adapt. If instead of bringing up her players, she had said they should have practiced with the NIke ball that would have been classy. The comment is similar to Holly Warlick saying, "I tell them what to do but they don't do it." The foolishness of the ball comment stands by itself, but the ball comment is not throwing your team under the bus. It is identifying a coaches failure to prepare a team and instead of taking that blame she put it on her players that they did not adapt. That is throwing your players under the bus.
Kinda like when Geno calls his players dummies. He should prepare them so they aren’t so dumb. Calling your players dummies is throwing them under the bus. Similar to Holly saying I tell them what to do but they don’t do it. By what you are saying there either Geno recruits dumb players, throws his players under the bus by calling them dummies, or fails to coach them in certain situations so they know what to do. 🤷🏻‍♀️
 
I think, (amazingly) Dawn thought that last year’s dominant win over UConn in SC was a true turning point and that they were now going to dominate UConn as a matter of course. This was accentuated by the relative makeup’s of the two teams. She has this dominant force in Boston, a huge size and speed advantage as well and UConn is so young. I think she was completely shocked that they lost and was still in that disbelieving state of mind when she had her PC. I read somewhere that she had remarked that they (SC) didn’t need their “A” game to beat Connecticut. Now I didn’t actually hear her say that, but if she did, it speaks to her attitude toward Monday’s game and her shock at the result. I never really thought she was throwing her team under the bus, just that she was trying to blame it on anything but her coaching. I don’t care for her as I find her to be unrelentingly arrogant and pushy, but I do have great respect for what she has built in South Carolina. She and her program are going to be a formidable hurdle for the foreseeable future in women’s basketball and that is a good thing.
Dawn said we didn’t have to play perfect basketball to win. Never said we didn’t need our A game and she certainly didn’t think we had turned the corner. What she said was that we have the players now to compete. That we didn’t have to play perfect. And she was correct. Had we made one of the 4 shots we got at the end of the game or made 1 more free throw we would have won. And everybody that watched the game knows we didn’t play a perfect game.
 
Let’s not leave out the ultimate bus driver JPM!
Circa 2014

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I don't think Dawn threw anyone under the bus. If you want to see a coach throw their team under a bus there are two that come to mind, they are Holly and Muffet, both are not coaching anymore:).
McCallie at Duke.
 
My take away from her presser (in addition to a WTF regarding the ball observation) - after such a hard-fought battle -that could have gone either way - there was no way she was going to say "Congrats - my guys played tough but we'll be back" .. Kind of ungracious but, typical Dawn.
 
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Maybe Dawn is doing Aja Wilson a solid. :rolleyes:
 
Kinda like when Geno calls his players dummies. He should prepare them so they aren’t so dumb. Calling your players dummies is throwing them under the bus. Similar to Holly saying I tell them what to do but they don’t do it. By what you are saying there either Geno recruits dumb players, throws his players under the bus by calling them dummies, or fails to coach them in certain situations so they know what to do. 🤷🏻‍♀️
Out of context response. Question - 'What is the reason you lost the game?' Answer - My players didn't adapt. That Geno calls all his players dummies is hyperbole. Are all his players intellectually challenged. No. Can Napheesa guard a chair? Probably. Is KLS next offensive rebound he first, No. The next time stewie gets in a defensive stance it will be her first. Did Geno ever have another international player after Svetlana? Dawn's context was to blame her players for the loss of a game. Geno is Philly street style motivation. Your comparisons do not work in the comparative context of Geno's voluminous statements to one of Dawn.
 
Regarding being a black female coach: I'd argue that it's an advantage likely to attract black athletes in a place like Columbia. I always wonder why kids go to certain schools, what in particular attracts them. Here in Maryland we have DC, which is a black cultural bastion. It's a good place to feel connected, to enjoy culture, to meet prospective partners. I'm pretty sure it's not Brenda. (snark) Some schools have a great academic rep (Stanford) and some a big-time sports tradition (ND). UConn has Geno.
Once a kid from another part of the country visits UConn and tries east coast pizza for the first time they’re hooked and they don’t want to leave.
I miss east coast pizza!
 
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She wasn't throwing players under the bus with the ball excuse. She was covering for their poor play while throwing shade at UConn.
 
I just realized the Can may mean Canada.

Speaking of boundaries, I grew up knowing O Canada as well as I knew the Stars Spangled Banner. Of course I knew it in French as I lived in a portion of Quebec transported to southern central Maine.
 
The ball excuse was dumb, but it absolutely does not qualify as throwing the team under the bus. More the opposite, as it tries to deflect attention away from the team.

Throwing under the bus is generally blaming a specific person(s), by name, for the team's failures.
Context regarding the ball. In January SCar played Alabama which is a Nike School who uses the Nike Basketball. IN practice leading up to that game- Coach Staley had them practice with the Nike ball because of the issues she stated Monday night. They (the guards) knew they had to adjust to that ball being different and yet they were still mis handling the ball.
 
I just realized the Can may mean Canada.

Speaking of boundaries, I grew up knowing O Canada as well as I knew the Stars Spangled Banner. Of course I knew it in French as I lived in a portion of Quebec transported to southern central Maine.

Yes that is correct. 😁

Been viewing BY was a visitor for years. Finally signed up to join in on the conversations. I've always loved basketball but got more into women's basketball thanks to my daughter. It's great to see how much the game has grown and the impact Canadian athletes are having on these vaunted NCAA programs.
 
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During the discussion about Staley's blaming the loss on the ball, a number of posters said she threw her team under the bus because she stated they couldn't adapt to the Nike ball.

My comments - 1) That's about as BS a reason as I can think of, for all the reasons so well articulated already. 2) That being said, one BYer said that given who Staley is - the reality of her being a black woman in this society, etc - he's willing to give her a pass. I'm in that camp. She has never come across to me, and I don't expect that it will ever change, as eloquent a speaker as other coaches like Geno, Walz, McGraw, and others. She has a different upbringing that gives her a rougher edge and if it hasn't been smoothed over, I'm okay with that.

My question - what constitutes throwing a player or team under the bus? Personally, I think it is one of those things that are almost impossible to define, being something akin to "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" or "I know it when I see it".

Geno is famous for his sarcastic quips - 1) After the loss to Baylor last year, calling the team dummies for calling a time out late in the game when down by 17. 2) from 2019 regarding Anna: “You know how some guys (shoot) 0-for-the-game or 0-for-the-week, well she is 0-for-America. She hasn’t made a shot since she has been in this country. They should stop saying she is from Poland. People in Poland are starting to get upset.” 3) When he said Taurasi screwed up in the U-18 game against Brazil because she "only" scored 26 points instead of the 30 he told her the team would need.

We generally accept as UConn faithful that these barbs are meant to motivate and not hurt. And I don't think these examples are actually in the same league as "they couldn't adjust". But it's pretty clear that fans of other teams who don't care about UConn can also cite these quotes as throwing players under the bus.

So I throw the question out there - what for you defines a coach's comment as throwing someone under the bus?
I have a great deal of respect for her, and I am sure her players do not feel " dissed" by Coach Staley. She has another top-rated recruiting class coming in next season, to merge with the top class she had on the court today. So South Carolina is regarded as an elite program. And we shall battle them for years. Everyone is making too much out of the throw away remark...which, of course, made little sense.
 
Once a kid from another part of the country visits UConn and tries east coast pizza for the first time they’re hooked and they don’t want to leave.
I miss east coast pizza!
As a Cincinnati native and UConn grad, I miss my hometown Cincinnati pizza more than any pizza I got in New England. I ate PLENTY of good pizza, but nothing I still crave.

I agree. Chicago pizza sucks.
This is blasphemy.
 
As a Cincinnati native and UConn grad, I miss my hometown Cincinnati pizza more than any pizza I got in New England. I ate PLENTY of good pizza, but nothing I still crave.


This is blasphemy.
If you are ever in West Lafayette, IN, go down to the Levee to Bruno's for some of the best Pizza you have ever had. Now if you want real Pizza you can go to almost any Pizzeria in Italy or many of the other Western EU Countries and have some of the freshest pizza made the old fashion way.
 
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So I throw the question out there - what for you defines a coach's comment as throwing someone under the bus?
A ridiculous comparison. Everyone knows that Geno and his team have nothing but love and respect for each other. When one of the players takes a humorous jab at Geno, are they throwing Geno under the bus? Who cares what ignorant fans think. Knowledgable fans, no matter what their team, know Geno's barbs are love pats meant to inspire. Dawn just made a mistake. She was not meaning to throw players under the bus. She was just looking for an excuse. She should have just said that UCONN outplayed/outcoached us.
 
If you are ever in West Lafayette, IN, go down to the Levee to Bruno's for some of the best Pizza you have ever had. Now if you want real Pizza you can go to almost any Pizzeria in Italy or many of the other Western EU Countries and have some of the freshest pizza made the old fashion way.
There's a Neapolitan pizza place about an hour from my abode that we'll occasionally drive up to that's WONDERFUL. Dough made daily, imported ingredients, and wood fire ovens shipped in from Naples make it the most authentic pizza I've ever had outside of Europe! It's too, too good!
 
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