Daniel Hamilton Stats: With & Without Amida Brimah

[tcf15]

During the season, it appeared that DHam's slump coincided with Brimah's injury, so I'm curious and crazy enough to look at the numbers, and figured I share them with you.

In the 9 games prior to Brimah's injury (Maine, UNH, Furman, Michigan, Syracuse, Gonzaga, Sacred Heart, Maryland and Ohio State):

FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
45 100 .45 35 71 .493 10 29 .345

In the 11 games during which Brimah was injured (UML, CCSU, Texas, Tulane, Memphis, Tulsa, Houston, Tulane, Georgetown, Cincinnati):

FG FGA  FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
36 119 .303 24 79 .304 12 40 .300

In the 16 games after Brimah returned (UCF, Memphis, ECU, Temple, Tulsa, SMU, Cincinnati, USF, Houston, SMU, UCF, Cincinnati, Temple, Memphis, Colorado, Kansas):

FG FGA  FG% 2P 2PA  2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
78 192 .406 53 119 .445 25 73 .342

Totals with Brimah:

FG  FGA FG%  2P 2PA  2P% 3P 3PA  3P%
123 292 .421 88 190 .463 35 102 .343

Totals without Brimah:

FG FGA  FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
36 119 .303 24 79 .304 12 40 .300

 

[nomar]

During the season, it appeared that DHam's slump coincided with Brimah's injury, so I'm curious and crazy enough to look at the numbers, and figured I share them with you.

In the 9 games prior to Brimah's injury (Maine, UNH, Furman, Michigan, Syracuse, Gonzaga, Sacred Heart, Maryland and Ohio State):

FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
45 100 .45 35 71 .493 10 29 .345

In the 11 games during which Brimah was injured (UML, CCSU, Texas, Tulane, Memphis, Tulsa, Houston, Tulane, Georgetown, Cincinnati):

FG FGA  FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
36 119 .303 24 79 .304 12 40 .300

In the 16 games after Brimah returned (UCF, Memphis, ECU, Temple, Tulsa, SMU, Cincinnati, USF, Houston, SMU, UCF, Cincinnati, Temple, Memphis, Colorado, Kansas):

FG FGA  FG% 2P 2PA  2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
78 192 .406 53 119 .445 25 73 .342

Totals with Brimah:

FG  FGA FG%  2P 2PA  2P% 3P 3PA  3P%
123 292 .421 88 190 .463 35 102 .343

Totals without Brimah:

FG FGA  FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
36 119 .303 24 79 .304 12 40 .300

Uh, http://the-boneyard.com/threads/cj-jackson-juco-offical-visit.90215/page-6#post-1636625

 

[nomar]

I mean, as usual, you were much more thorough than I was. But I hate to think that you wasted time crunching numbers when you could have been making another ONIONS video...

 

[tcf15]

Uh, http://the-boneyard.com/threads/cj-jackson-juco-offical-visit.90215/page-6#post-1636625

 

[aceboon]

 

[ctchamps]

During the season, it appeared that DHam's slump coincided with Brimah's injury, so I'm curious and crazy enough to look at the numbers, and figured I share them with you.

In the 9 games prior to Brimah's injury (Maine, UNH, Furman, Michigan, Syracuse, Gonzaga, Sacred Heart, Maryland and Ohio State):

FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
45 100 .45 35 71 .493 10 29 .345

In the 11 games during which Brimah was injured (UML, CCSU, Texas, Tulane, Memphis, Tulsa, Houston, Tulane, Georgetown, Cincinnati):

FG FGA  FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
36 119 .303 24 79 .304 12 40 .300

In the 16 games after Brimah returned (UCF, Memphis, ECU, Temple, Tulsa, SMU, Cincinnati, USF, Houston, SMU, UCF, Cincinnati, Temple, Memphis, Colorado, Kansas):

FG FGA  FG% 2P 2PA  2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
78 192 .406 53 119 .445 25 73 .342

Totals with Brimah:

FG  FGA FG%  2P 2PA  2P% 3P 3PA  3P%
123 292 .421 88 190 .463 35 102 .343

Totals without Brimah:

FG FGA  FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
36 119 .303 24 79 .304 12 40 .300

What does this all mean? If Brimah heads to camp with DHam I'm worried!

 

[mauconnfan]

We will need to break this down in the minutes he played "with" DHam on the floor because otherwise it is misleading at best. I believe it was the 2nd game back in which DHam scored 12 of his 15 or so points without Brimah on the floor and I pointed that out to those who were so sure of the impact. I mean one guy plays 30-35 minutes the other 14-21 depending on whether he stays in the game. The guy was slumping in a bad way it had little or nothing to do with a guy he can only throw a lob too, please!

Let's check another stat of which seemed much more of an impact. Stats for DHam prior to KO sitting his butt down on the season finale vs the stats following getting smacked.

But then again maybe there is something to it, just don't see it. Coincidence? Maybe not.

 

[nomar]

We will need to break this down in the minutes he played "with" DHam on the floor because otherwise it is misleading at best. I believe it was the 2nd game back in which DHam scored 12 of his 15 or so points without Brimah on the floor and I pointed that out to those who were so sure of the impact. I mean one guy plays 30-35 minutes the other 14-21 depending on whether he stays in the game. The guy was slumping in a bad way it had little or nothing to do with a guy he can only throw a lob too, please!

Let's check another stat of which seemed much more of an impact. Stats for DHam prior to KO sitting his butt down on the season finale vs the stats following getting smacked.

But then again maybe there is something to it, just don't see it. Coincidence? Maybe not.

If you're never going to admit something, you're never going to admit it. The sample size is quite large.

 

[SubbaBub]

It's the alley oops. Without Brimah, Ham had to take the 8 ft runner in traffic. With Brimah he lobbed from 8 ft when the D collapsed.

Ham needs more reliable shots in the lane. Too many circus shots were hurting his percentage and wasting possessions.

 

[auror]

Seems silly to not include assist numbers in the analysis? That's what we would expect would have taken the biggest impact without the Brimah lobs, right?

 

[Paesano]

Pretty strong evidence. Nice job.

 

[CallMeBruce]

It's the alley oops. Without Brimah, Ham had to take the 8 ft runner in traffic. With Brimah he lobbed from 8 ft when the D collapsed.

Ham needs more reliable shots in the lane. Too many circus shots were hurting his percentage and wasting possessions.

It's the alley-oops (alleys oop?), but it's also the threat of the alley oop. The defense can't collapse on Hamilton as quickly or aggressively if they know Brimah is ready and waiting to stuff one in on them, so that allows Hamilton to get closer to the basket for more high-percentage shots.

 

[nomar]

Seems silly to not include assist numbers in the analysis? That's what we would expect would have taken the biggest impact without the Brimah lobs, right?

http://the-boneyard.com/threads/daniel-hamilton-stats-with-without-amida-brimah.90306/#post-1637838

(Short answer: It didn't.)

 

[raf46]

During the season, it appeared that DHam's slump coincided with Brimah's injury, so I'm curious and crazy enough to look at the numbers, and figured I share them with you.

In the 9 games prior to Brimah's injury (Maine, UNH, Furman, Michigan, Syracuse, Gonzaga, Sacred Heart, Maryland and Ohio State):

FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
45 100 .45 35 71 .493 10 29 .345

In the 11 games during which Brimah was injured (UML, CCSU, Texas, Tulane, Memphis, Tulsa, Houston, Tulane, Georgetown, Cincinnati):

FG FGA  FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
36 119 .303 24 79 .304 12 40 .300

In the 16 games after Brimah returned (UCF, Memphis, ECU, Temple, Tulsa, SMU, Cincinnati, USF, Houston, SMU, UCF, Cincinnati, Temple, Memphis, Colorado, Kansas):

FG FGA  FG% 2P 2PA  2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
78 192 .406 53 119 .445 25 73 .342

Totals with Brimah:

FG  FGA FG%  2P 2PA  2P% 3P 3PA  3P%
123 292 .421 88 190 .463 35 102 .343

Totals without Brimah:

FG FGA  FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P%
36 119 .303 24 79 .304 12 40 .300

startling. good job.

 

[intlzncster]

http://the-boneyard.com/threads/daniel-hamilton-stats-with-without-amida-brimah.90306/#post-1637838

(Short answer: It didn't.)

Clearly, no one respects your posts nomar, regardless of the fact that it was straight up facts.

tcf on the other, commands boneyard attention. Guy even makes a great apology gif. hahahah

 

[intlzncster]

Ham needs more reliable shots in the lane. Too many circus shots were hurting his percentage and wasting possessions.

This will happen by default next year, with two guys suited to playing point. Dham was forced to be a point-forward this year, and I don't think he was quite ready. Next season, he'll be able to play off ball more, while mixing in that point-forward game. This will likelylead to cleaner, better looks all around.

 

[mauconnfan]

If you're never going to admit something, you're never going to admit it. The sample size is quite large.

Ok but admit what? That bringing a big in who can block shots helped him shoot better? Or is it the fact that he threw so many lobs that were successful?

Sorry I see a guy who was slumping, taking awful shots and it was happening prior to the injury, you guys see something else. If we were talking about a 5 who could get you 10/12 a game I'd agree there was some magic. But anyone thinking there was suddenly a ton of space with that offensive machine coming back, well it's laughable to me. Again I think the numbers were even more astonishing after the benching (AAC tourney and NCAA) but I don't know. He was a better player taking care of the ball and making shots, if it was AB good for us.

 

[TasteofUConn]

Causation, Correlation. Causation, Correlation. Causation, Correlation.

If this is causation, what's the mechanism? Surely you can guess that the 8-10 footers were tougher because Brimah was not there. If I was still in a lab and this was a peer review article, I'd suggest checking which shots DHam missed w/out Brimah. Did his % of made shots in the "lob range" go down? Yes or no? And what about the 3s? Does anybody have a proposal for how Amidah Brimah's absence caused DHam's 3% to go down? I assume that nobody is going to argue that Brimah's inside game caused defenses to collapse, thereby freeing up 3 shooters, eh? Did the 3% from other shooters go down as well? Why just DHam, if not?

Point is, the data are interesting, but I'd very much hesitate to conclude that Brimah's on-court presence made a huge impact on DHam's numbers without more analysis.

 

[Huskyforlife]

So basically, if I'm an NBA gm, I make sure to draft both of them? We could be on to something.

 

[nomar]

Clearly, no one respects your posts nomar, regardless of the fact that it was straight up facts.

tcf on the other, commands boneyard attention. Guy even makes a great apology gif. hahahah

I learned a good lesson. Never bury a post you spent more than 5 minutes writing in a 10-page thread.

That Purvis gif is gold.

 

[mauconnfan]

Clearly, no one respects your posts nomar, regardless of the fact that it was straight up facts.

tcf on the other, commands boneyard attention. Guy even makes a great apology gif. hahahah

I disagree nomar always quietly commands attention, just not in this one and why? Because I'm right (I kid) all good

 

[Chief00]

Good job.
Quite frankly, these statistics confirm my game observations in Chief's Briefs. I agree with the posts that a threat of the lob pass to Brimah gives DHam some space to get his shot off.

 

[mauconnfan]

Good job.
Quite frankly, these statistics confirm my game observations in Chief's Briefs. I agree with the posts that a threat of the lob pass to Brimah gives DHam some space to get his shot off.

So does the double teaming of Shonn Miller which was happening often since we couldn't get him the ball.