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Dan Hurley “Seriously” Considered Stepping Down From UConn Last Year

RuffRuff said:
Someone shifted to Moynihan and Giselle, so we take another fork in the road. I'm a sucker for good love stories, and it's pretty clear Beli is a modern day Romeo.
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While I agree Tom is the QB GOAT, I really have issues with BB being the coach GOAT just because TB is for QBs?

I think Dan Campbell is a much better coach than BB ever was - DC gets players to give 110% for him. BB coasted on average WRs, got lucky with TB, and signed and let Aaron Hernandez implode on his watch. Plus how many ----gates under BB that anyone who isn't a PATs fan completely gets.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Then? LOL. It's much worse now. Tom wouldn't even have been drafted in modern times. Then they did focus much more on the mental aspect of the game than they do today. Tom himself talks about it all the time. College systems don't even prepare guys for the NFL and teams just throw them out there and hope that athletic traits will carry the day. Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields...meanwhile the next season Purdy goes last.

Without Bill, Tom never wins a Super Bowl. Not one. Not sure he becomes a starter in the league. Bill was so tough on Tom, never treated him like a star and that is a big part of why he became what he did. Tom, in turn, was the consummate leader, took less money than he could, and that helped Bill build better teams. The are both the GOAT at what they do and the accomplishments speak to it.
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I mean, you're kind of telling me that it was Tom when you tell me he had the character traits to:

1) Deal with Belichick
2) Humble
3) Was a great leader
4) Took less money

I've yet to really hear what made BB so unique. There are a ton of tough coaches in the NFL. There are plenty of SB winning DC's that can't head coach. We know he can call a great defensive gameplan, which Tom reaped the rewards of early. Then by 2006-2007 it was starting to become pretty clear that Tom's knowledge of the game reached a level that made him an on-field coach offensively.

I don't know if I can agree with the fact that he would never have won a SB without Beli - he was self driven. What you hear coming from his mouth in retirement was a product of his own belief system, not what was bestowed on him by Beli. Any suggestion he would have been nothing without Beli is a total hypothetical. Beli on the other hand, we have data that fully supports that he would be pretty much above average at best without him, which was proven pre and post Brady.

Let's not forget, Beli was able to pull FA's to NE because they wanted to play with Brady. Once that expired, he couldn't get anyone to come. Brady was the center of that locker room culture.

There is a bag of evidence supporting Brady, where you have to jump into the hypotheticals to make any stance that supports Beli. Sure, Beli gave him his shot (circumstances helping).

Much of Brady's run post those early teams was a "bend but don't break" defense because they knew they could control the game from the offensive side of the ball.

Hell, Beli wanted to get rid of Brady for Jimmy G in 2017. Kraft had to step in. TB goes on to win 2 more SB's, plays in 3. Could have won that third if not for the mysterious Beli call not to play their best CB. If Beli played his cards right and held onto Brady through retirement, likely would have caught Shula for all-time wins (fell 14 short, and you know that has to burn him the historian he is).

Also worth considering - not 1 QB Belichick drafted and grew up throughout his entire tenure went on to do anything meaningful elsewhere, other than Brady.

Verdict - Brady
 
RuffRuff said:
I mean, you're kind of telling me that it was Tom when you tell me he had the character traits to:

1) Deal with Belichick
2) Humble
3) Was a great leader
4) Took less money

I've yet to really hear what made BB so unique. There are a ton of tough coaches in the NFL. There are plenty of SB winning DC's that can't head coach. We know he can call a great defensive gameplan, which Tom reaped the rewards of early. Then by 2006-2007 it was starting to become pretty clear that Tom's knowledge of the game reached a level that made him an on-field coach offensively.

I don't know if I can agree with the fact that he would never have won a SB without Beli - he was self driven. What you hear coming from his mouth in retirement was a product of his own belief system, not what was bestowed on him by Beli. Any suggestion he would have been nothing without Beli is a total hypothetical. Beli on the other hand, we have data that fully supports that he would be pretty much above average at best without him, which was proven pre and post Brady.

Let's not forget, Beli was able to pull FA's to NE because they wanted to play with Brady. Once that expired, he couldn't get anyone to come. Brady was the center of that locker room culture.

There is a bag of evidence supporting Brady, where you have to jump into the hypotheticals to make any stance that supports Beli. Sure, Beli gave him his shot (circumstances helping).

Much of Brady's run post those early teams was a "bend but don't break" defense because they knew they could control the game from the offensive side of the ball.

Hell, Beli wanted to get rid of Brady for Jimmy G in 2017. Kraft had to step in. TB goes on to win 2 more SB's, plays in 3. Could have won that third if not for the mysterious Beli call not to play their best CB. If Beli played his cards right and held onto Brady through retirement, likely would have caught Shula for all-time wins (fell 14 short, and you know that has to burn him the historian he is).

Also worth considering - not 1 QB Belichick drafted and grew up throughout his entire tenure went on to do anything meaningful elsewhere, other than Brady.

Verdict - Brady
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RuffRuff said:
I mean, you're kind of telling me that it was Tom when you tell me he had the character traits to:

1) Deal with Belichick
2) Humble
3) Was a great leader
4) Took less money

I've yet to really hear what made BB so unique. There are a ton of tough coaches in the NFL. There are plenty of SB winning DC's that can't head coach. We know he can call a great defensive gameplan, which Tom reaped the rewards of early. Then by 2006-2007 it was starting to become pretty clear that Tom's knowledge of the game reached a level that made him an on-field coach offensively.

I don't know if I can agree with the fact that he would never have won a SB without Beli - he was self driven. What you hear coming from his mouth in retirement was a product of his own belief system, not what was bestowed on him by Beli. Any suggestion he would have been nothing without Beli is a total hypothetical. Beli on the other hand, we have data that fully supports that he would be pretty much above average at best without him, which was proven pre and post Brady.

Let's not forget, Beli was able to pull FA's to NE because they wanted to play with Brady. Once that expired, he couldn't get anyone to come. Brady was the center of that locker room culture.

There is a bag of evidence supporting Brady, where you have to jump into the hypotheticals to make any stance that supports Beli. Sure, Beli gave him his shot (circumstances helping).

Much of Brady's run post those early teams was a "bend but don't break" defense because they knew they could control the game from the offensive side of the ball.

Hell, Beli wanted to get rid of Brady for Jimmy G in 2017. Kraft had to step in. TB goes on to win 2 more SB's, plays in 3. Could have won that third if not for the mysterious Beli call not to play their best CB. If Beli played his cards right and held onto Brady through retirement, likely would have caught Shula for all-time wins (fell 14 short, and you know that has to burn him the historian he is).

Also worth considering - not 1 QB Belichick drafted and grew up throughout his entire tenure went on to do anything meaningful elsewhere, other than Brady.

Verdict - Brady
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Only someone who didn't follow the team could post this drivel. Bill had rings from the Giants and was the best defensive mind in football. That was true through the whole era in New England. The trait that set the Patriots apart was teamwork, togetherness, playing error free football, focusing on your assignment. From that first Super Bowl when they refused individual introductions for the first time ever. More than anything it was work and preparation. Many players who came through were stunned at how much preparation the Patriots did, how hard they worked off the field to ensure excellence. Nobody has ever game planned better than Bill. That attention to detail and level of effort came from Bill and those early veterans, not from Tom. Tom internalized it and it helped make him great. Are there people who think that the signature of the Pats Super Bowl teams was offense? Four of the six had better defenses than offenses. From 2007-2012 they scored a ton of points, but didn't get it done. 2003 was #1 D and 2004 was #2. 2016 #1 Defense again. Special teams was also a focus, and Tom doesn't get all those rings without Vinatieri either. It's a team sport. Bill built the teams.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Only someone who didn't follow the team could post this drivel. Bill had rings from the Giants and was the best defensive mind in football. That was true through the whole era in New England. The trait that set the Patriots apart was teamwork, togetherness, playing error free football, focusing on your assignment. From that first Super Bowl when they refused individual introductions for the first time ever. More than anything it was work and preparation. Many players who came through were stunned at how much preparation the Patriots did, how hard they worked off the field to ensure excellence. Nobody has ever game planned better than Bill. That attention to detail and level of effort came from Bill and those early veterans, not from Tom. Tom internalized it and it helped make him great. Are there people who think that the signature of the Pats Super Bowl teams was offense? Four of the six had better defenses than offenses. From 2007-2012 they scored a ton of points, but didn't get it done. 2003 was #1 D and 2004 was #2. 2016 #1 Defense again. Special teams was also a focus, and Tom doesn't get all those rings without Vinatieri either. It's a team sport. Bill built the teams.
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Blah blah blah. Do your job bologna - novel when you are winning with the GOAT, otherwise a corny cliche. And I am a die hard fan.

Explain why Bill sucks apart from Brady and you'll get my attention. It's not a small sample size, he's 70-105 without Brady. That's basically a 6-7 win/season kind of coach. Pats lost almost as many games in the 2 games that Brady didn't start in 2001 (2) that they did the rest of the year (3). This was after going 5-11 the season prior. So all of a sudden after going 5-13 the prior 18 games, Bill's genius turns on? What a coincidence.

And then how TB goes from to a 7 win non playoff team to winning the SB.
 
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Every day every person seriously considers different decisions in their lives. This has blown up because it's Hurley having a tell all book.
 
RuffRuff said:
I mean, you're kind of telling me that it was Tom when you tell me he had the character traits to:

1) Deal with Belichick
2) Humble
3) Was a great leader
4) Took less money

I've yet to really hear what made BB so unique. There are a ton of tough coaches in the NFL. There are plenty of SB winning DC's that can't head coach. We know he can call a great defensive gameplan, which Tom reaped the rewards of early. Then by 2006-2007 it was starting to become pretty clear that Tom's knowledge of the game reached a level that made him an on-field coach offensively.

I don't know if I can agree with the fact that he would never have won a SB without Beli - he was self driven. What you hear coming from his mouth in retirement was a product of his own belief system, not what was bestowed on him by Beli. Any suggestion he would have been nothing without Beli is a total hypothetical. Beli on the other hand, we have data that fully supports that he would be pretty much above average at best without him, which was proven pre and post Brady.

Let's not forget, Beli was able to pull FA's to NE because they wanted to play with Brady. Once that expired, he couldn't get anyone to come. Brady was the center of that locker room culture.

There is a bag of evidence supporting Brady, where you have to jump into the hypotheticals to make any stance that supports Beli. Sure, Beli gave him his shot (circumstances helping).

Much of Brady's run post those early teams was a "bend but don't break" defense because they knew they could control the game from the offensive side of the ball.

Hell, Beli wanted to get rid of Brady for Jimmy G in 2017. Kraft had to step in. TB goes on to win 2 more SB's, plays in 3. Could have won that third if not for the mysterious Beli call not to play their best CB. If Beli played his cards right and held onto Brady through retirement, likely would have caught Shula for all-time wins (fell 14 short, and you know that has to burn him the historian he is).

Also worth considering - not 1 QB Belichick drafted and grew up throughout his entire tenure went on to do anything meaningful elsewhere, other than Brady.

Verdict - Brady
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Seriously ? You don't need to hear what makes Belichick "unique". It is nothing more than results. Lots of coaches have had lots of great players. None of them came close to Belichick's 6 titles. And if you want to argue Chuck Noll, then you'll have to tell me why Belichick gets no credit for Brady's wins, but Noll still gets credit for Bradshaw and Greene and Harris and Lambert and Ham and Blount's...
 
RuffRuff said:
Blah blah blah. Do your job bologna - novel when you are winning with the GOAT, otherwise a corny cliche. And I am a die hard fan.

Explain why Bill sucks apart from Brady and you'll get my attention. It's not a small sample size, he's 70-105 without Brady. That's basically a 6-7 win/season kind of coach. Pats lost almost as many games in the 2 games that Brady didn't start in 2001 (2) that they did the rest of the year (3). This was after going 5-11 the season prior. So all of a sudden after going 5-13 the prior 18 games, Bill's genius turns on? What a coincidence.

And then how TB goes from to a 7 win non playoff team to winning the SB.
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Ask Pat Mahomes if all it takes is a great QB to win every Super Bowl.
 
DRBackup said:
Seriously ? You don't need to hear what makes Belichick "unique". It is nothing more than results. Lots of coaches have had lots of great players. None of them came close to Belichick's 6 titles. And if you want to argue Chuck Noll, then you'll have to tell me why Belichick gets no credit for Brady's wins, but Noll still gets credit for Bradshaw and Greene and Harris and Lambert and Ham and Blount's...
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It’s not that I’m not giving him credit, it’s that I’m saying Brady was the engine that made that dynasty go.

In the news, Beli has cut the Pats franchise off from having access to the UNC program as it comes to scouting. The guy never ceases to amaze in how truly petty he is.



Total clownshow
 
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Scoe said:
Just answer the question who won a Super Bowl without the other, it's a simple question.
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No it's not. Brady went to a super team. That defense dominated the Chiefs. That was all about the offensive and defensive line play. Chiefs learned, traded Hill and focused on the line of scrimmage and won the next year.

Bill won Superbowls with the Giants. He has more rings than Tom.
 
HuskyHawk said:
No it's not. Brady went to a super team. That defense dominated the Chiefs. That was all about the offensive and defensive line play. Chiefs learned, traded Hill and focused on the line of scrimmage and won the next year.

Bill won Superbowls with the Giants. He has more rings than Tom.
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For one your wrong about the Chiefs getting to the superbowl the following year the Rams won the Super Bowl the next year. TB became a super team when Brady arrived. Brady gave his team a lead and didn't let up. Whats wrong with getting an early lead and relying on your defense.

Bill is an all time great, but Brady won it without Bill. Bill hasn't had a measure of success as HC without Brady, just token playoff teams. As a D coordinator Bill won it with LT and Parcells, I only brought that up because you brought up Brady winning it with a super team.
 
HuskyHawk said:
No it's not. Brady went to a super team. That defense dominated the Chiefs. That was all about the offensive and defensive line play. Chiefs learned, traded Hill and focused on the line of scrimmage and won the next year.

Bill won Superbowls with the Giants. He has more rings than Tom.
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The Bucs weren’t a super team until Brady arrived. He did have great receivers and a semi washed Gronk though.
 
HuskyHawk said:
No it's not. Brady went to a super team. That defense dominated the Chiefs. That was all about the offensive and defensive line play. Chiefs learned, traded Hill and focused on the line of scrimmage and won the next year.

Bill won Superbowls with the Giants. He has more rings than Tom.
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A super team? That team went 7-9 the prior year, led by Bruce Arians. Arians basically just took a backseat when Brady got there and said here are the keys Tom. The year he won the SB, he came in second in MVP voting to Rogers, 43 TDs to 12 ints.

Brady went 12-4 with the Pats the year before he left, Beli then went 7-9 the following. Winning went with Brady wherever he went, winning disappeared in Belis life when he didn’t have Brady.

You do realize Brady is one of only two QBs ever to win the SB with two teams. Thats on top of his 7 rings. Let’s not minimize his greatness to make Beli the Brut look better. Cmon. What’s your thing for the miser? I can keep slapping numbers on you till you turn blue. Beli isn’t a great leader, he’s not dynamic. He’s prepared and detailed, yeah.

Belis advantage was pre technology when you could still go into the woods with your scout card and find some diamond in the rough and make them great. Once tech advanced and film/information was everywhere, he kept trying to be cute and just kept bombing draft after draft. There was a time to go chalk instead of trying to be smarter than the analysts, and technology.

The guy is a massive egomaniac.
 
If he goes, he goes. If he stays, he stays. It is the environment we currently live in. Don’t get upset by a “surprise” move. It’s the way of the world in college sports today .

Adapt or perish.
 

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