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With those two guards coming back, I think they will be higher ranked.
Orrange will be a senior, probably the leader. I was impressed by Lili Thompson. And they have the S sisters, now that the O sisters are gone. And they still have Tara. I don't see any elite players, but a ranking of about 10-12 seems reasonable.
 

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Orrange will be a senior, probably the leader. I was impressed by Lili Thompson. And they have the S sisters, now that the O sisters are gone. And they still have Tara. I don't see any elite players, but a ranking of about 10-12 seems reasonable.
Yes- and Lili was really impressive. Hitting those mid range pull ups. Or range improved a lot from Nov to April. And Tara is one of the few great coaches. I think Tenn would have been better if they had a top tier coach. Something is missing down there. They should get Mitchell back if they could.
 

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Duke is getting Lynee? Belton who I think is going to be a force immediately and be better than Williams ever was by her soph yr. and Flor State IMO is getting what looked like the best player in the McDon AA game. Not sure what they have returning. But that girl looked like a beast already!
I hope Sykes for Syracuse comes back 100%, if so, I think they could be a top 10-12 team.

Why are you so high on Belton ? I hope you are right about her.
 
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What about when they lose two?
Wouldn't call Achonwa a superstar but I get your point.

In forecasting a wcbb team you have to look at who they lose obviously. But you have to also be aware of two factors that can be big positives: top 5 recruit and key freshmen making the sophomore leap. ND has big negatives with KM and NA leaving. But BT coming in and TR and LA becoming sophomores give them huge positives.

And I believe Massey had ND being 20 points better than A&M this year. That's a massive gap to fill--equivalent to a 2 vs 15 seed over on the men's side. It would be extraordinary to see that kind of gap close in one year.
 

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Hmmm...

Wilson:

24 minutes - 3-11 FG, 4-4 FT, 2 O/7 D/9 Reb Tot., 10 Tyler Phommachanh, 1 A, 4 TO, 4 Blk, 3 Stl

Turner:

25 minutes - 5-11 FG, 1-2 FT, 4 O/6 D/10 Reb Tot., 11 Tyler Phommachanh, 1 A, 2 TO, 3 Blk, 0 Stl

The numbers seem pretty similar: A'ja was 3-11 and had 4 turnovers but I imagine she was defended pretty tough, as the West team - Turner's team - had 17 personal fouls to only 8 called on Wilson's East team for the game. One more point scored and one more rebound for Brianna with one more minute of playing time. A'ja had one more block and three more steals for the game. In either case they gave a good showing for their talents...
Those games are so difficult to 'scout' because generally everyone is doing their own thing. I only watched the first half because I couldn't take any more, but I will say Belton just looked college ready in the bit I saw, Turner did seem to be slightly better prepared than Wilson who made some poor choices around the basket and a number of her 'misses' were blocked shots. Both she and Turner need to add strength.
I know Wilson wants to be a wing, and based on body type she and Turner are both similar to Stewart. The difference being Stewart dominated USA basketball competitions she was in and appeared to have both a better shot and better ball skills at the same age. Wilson and Turner have been complementary players on the USA teams they played on. (Unfair comparison because Stewart is so unique, but it is all we have to go on.)
 
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Wouldn't call Achonwa a superstar but I get your point.

In forecasting a wcbb team you have to look at who they lose obviously. But you have to also be aware of two factors that can be big positives: top 5 recruit and key freshmen making the sophomore leap. ND has big negatives with KM and NA leaving. But BT coming in and TR and LA becoming sophomores give them huge positives.

And I believe Massey had ND being 20 points better than A&M this year. That's a massive gap to fill--equivalent to a 2 vs 15 seed over on the men's side. It would be extraordinary to see that kind of gap close in one year.
I do agree with the idea that losing players is often over-weighted - Uconn 2003, Baylor and ND last year and ND two years ago as well - but I think there is also enough evidence for teams like Uconn 2005 or TN after Parker. I think it is especially true for teams like Stanford and Baylor this year whose offensive production was so dominated by a single player.
ND - it is not just NA and KM, but Braker was their defensive stopper. The cupboard is certainly not bare with Loyd, Allen, and Reimer, and Turner coming in, but ... They do have the advantage of a really good coach and a system that has never been focused on a single player.
Baylor - OS was their offense. They have Johnson who was a very good complementary PG and Davis who looked great until having a very freshman final game, but I think their offense depended so much on giving Sims the ball and letting her create, drawing two or three defenders, that it will be a much harder transition than they had after Griner left. Kim has spent the last 5 years running a star based offense - will she be able to transition into a balanced offense with players that have become dependent on waiting for a teammate to create.
Stanford - really similar to Baylor and I think they also are going to miss Ruef who was a very good complementary piece. Stanford has the advantage of a more disciplined and better offensive system.
TN - I will believe it when I see it. No offensive system and no defensive system to speak of. Weak side rotations, defending pick and roles, etc. etc. You can out-talent most of your opponents, but a good team can pick you apart. I could not believe what MD and Thomas were allowed to do - everyone who scouts Thomas say ... left hand dominant, and yet every time Thomas got the ball she was allowed to go left even when being double teamed.
KY - 40 minutes of dreadful. They lose their interior game to graduation so we go back to hockey game line changes. Problem is they have no half court offense or defense - no steals/turnovers and no transition offense and they give up too many points and score too few - works during the regular season and if you have an offensive player go off, but will continue to be a struggle by the time they get to Sw16 and E8.
A&M - could be an interesting team - have the coaching and some very interesting players.
Duke - if they are healthy they could be very good if JPM gets out of their way. Can they really not play man?
UNC - cupboard is not bare - X-girl could be a real surprise now that DD isn't dominating the offense. DD is a very dynamic player, but the rest of the team shot better than she did especially from the 3, and took better care of the ball. They have three very good players, do they have the coaching?
Louisville - I wouldn't count them out even after they lost three good players. Jeff is good enough to find a way.
 

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Hey Kiah Stokes got a mention! I think defensively Kiah is our most intimidating player, and will definitely be a lot of fun to watch next season.
I'm already amped about next year! And though I (of course) look forward to seeing all the newbies (especially the Canadian nat'l team's starting point guard:)), to MoJet taking her rightful place on the AA 1st team, to Kaleena ruling wcbb with her special brand of Air Supremacy, to Breanna's continued march toward otherworldliness, to Morgan's return to form, to Brianna's breakout year...it's probably Kiah's senior season that I'm looking forward to the most.

I love great defense and therefore I love watching Kiah block shots and grab every rebound that comes within her zip code. The closest comparison I can offer, is that it's akin to having watched Bill Russell play (for those 'seasoned' enough to remember:)) - wherein you anticipate a block or great defensive stop on every play. She is our very own Terminator and the only thing she's missing is an Austrian accent! :D
 
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Hmmm...

Wilson:

24 minutes - 3-11 FG, 4-4 FT, 2 O/7 D/9 Reb Tot., 10 Tyler Phommachanh, 1 A, 4 TO, 4 Blk, 3 Stl

Turner:

25 minutes - 5-11 FG, 1-2 FT, 4 O/6 D/10 Reb Tot., 11 Tyler Phommachanh, 1 A, 2 TO, 3 Blk, 0 Stl

The numbers seem pretty similar: A'ja was 3-11 and had 4 turnovers but I imagine she was defended pretty tough, as the West team - Turner's team - had 17 personal fouls to only 8 called on Wilson's East team for the game. One more point scored and one more rebound for Brianna with one more minute of playing time. A'ja had one more block and three more steals for the game. In either case they gave a good showing for their talents...
Have to add in Wilson had her shot blocked 3-4 times. A couple of those were by Turner when they went 1v1.

Wilson certainly didn't take over the game like a Stewart, Moore or DT did. I don't think she'll be on that level.
 

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I'm putting ND at #2 until proven otherwise. They have talent and coaching. Loyd is a top 5 player.
All conjecture of course, but I agree with Creme's order. Your points about coaching and Loyd are well taken, but I believe the loss of McBride will hurt more than the loss of Diggins did. Throw in the loss of Anchowa and the expected rise of USC, TN and an always well coached and talented A&M.

McBride and Anchowa were the constants that strattled the Diggins transition. There's no one on ND that will be able to take the focus off Loyd next year like McBride did. You couldn't stop both, but you could stop at least one, as Geno proved against Loyd in the NC game. Lots of teams will be watching that game tape when they prep to play ND next year.
 
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Can someone explain how Stanford will be ranked in the top 25 next year.
They lose over 1300 points from Ogwumike, Ruef and James. They lose 840 rebounds from the same three.
After you eliminate offensive rebounds of 165 from Ogwumike and 78 from Ruef the next player with offensive rebounds is Erica McCall at 43. Who is going to get rebounds at either end of the court for this team? who plays the 4? who plays the 5?
Other than the two guards, Orrange and Thompson name the other three starters. Here are the players available: Samuelson B, Samuelson K, Greenfield, McCall, Johnson, Roberson, Green, Camp, Picknell, Payne plus three incoming freshman, (no major Bigs in that group of freshman).

I am guessing that Stanford will be ranked at the beginning of the season, out of respect, but dont see any way they are at the end.
 

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Interesting list and thanks Cat for the UCLA mention but I guess we have to show something first so I'm OK with that.

For me I don't get the Oregon inclusion, I love Graves but he does not have Graves type players to work with, actually he has quite the opposite so it will take him a while to get OR to run the way he wants it. He is in similar home turf so I do see Oregon as a better situation now and it will hurt Rueck at Oregon State.

Oregon State, UCLA etc IMO have a better chance.

I agree Stanford is low and it will be interesting to see what Vanderveer will do. She will not be able to force ball inside and could probably go with 4 shooters but only time will tell. James was not really a starter, not sure what she was. Ruef great rebounder but liability on offense.

I also agree that ND is low but they did that last year. You never know UNC could benefit from the loss of DD and play better team ball, hopefully they don't have another who will tell the coach to put the ball in their hands!

If Tenn lands DD I see another great soap opera on the horizon, it should definitely be entertaining.
 

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Why are you so high on Belton ? I hope you are right about her.
Did u see the HS All Amer game? She was a real force in the paint, strong moves, she is one of the few stars that did some things that jumped off the page at me. I could see her starting possibly. I'm no expert. The girl going to Fl State is unreal! Turner and Aja had their moments for sure! I hope I'm wrong! :)
 

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Did u see the HS All Amer game? She was a real force in the paint, strong moves, she is one of the few stars that did some things that jumped off the page at me. I could see her starting possibly. I'm no expert. The girl going to Fl State is unreal! Turner and Aja had their moments for sure! I hope I'm wrong! :)

I saw a short highlight package for Belton.... and watched a few minutes of the reply just to see her in game action. She certainly looked robust and powerful. The number #34 and her build reminded me of Leslie Johnson from Purdue/WKU.
 

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I saw a short highlight package for Belton.... and watched a few minutes of the reply just to see her in game action. She certainly looked robust and powerful. The number #34 and her build reminded me of Leslie Johnson from Purdue/WKU.
I have a feeling about her. She wants to be a Dr I believe- like Williams!
 

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I have a feeling about her. She wants to be a Dr I believe- like Williams!

Well who else in the past 10 years have you had similar feelings about... and how did they turn out ?
 

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I might have to work in a December trip to Storrs for the Huskies vs the Gamec ocks and NYC or Boston for good measure.


Remember to bring a good coat and to "layer" your clothing. Also, since there is nothing to do in Storrs you should play nice with all of us if you want to have a really good time. :)
 

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Remember to bring a good coat and to "layer" your clothing. Also, since there is nothing to do in Storrs you should play nice with all of us if you want to have a really good time. :)
Thank you for the advice. I was born in NJ and I've spend a good bit of time in New England, so I am fairly well acquainted with the cold. Perhaps next season will see the blossoming of a major new rivalry. Our arch-rival, Clemson, is so bad in women's basketball, it isn't much of a rivalry right now. Otherwise, probably Georgia, Kentucky, Florida, Tennessee and North Carolina are currently our biggest WBB rivals. Who are your biggest rivals? ND, Louisville, Stanford and Tennessee? No matter what, I don't think there's anything like a hated in-state rival.
 

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Well who else in the past 10 years have you had similar feelings about... and how did they turn out ?
Elizabeth Williams never looked like a big big time player to me in McD's AA game and freshman year- despite loads of hype. I think she turned out to be less than what most expected. I have to think of a few more. Chelsea Gray blew me away in McD's HS game. I feel sorry fear her/injuries. Hope she can come back in pros. She was a star and could have been even better. I thought A& M would be a threat by the end of this season after watching us beat them by 30 in Texas over Thanksgiving or Christmas 2012. They had like 6-8 freshman, a top recruiting class, of extraordinary athletes that hustled! And I figured w/ Gary Blair they were built to be a real FF contender for 2014/15 season. I don't think Mabrey and Cable are not built to be front line starting players. I know Maybrey can lights out shoot- but think she kills them in every other facet. But ND has real young raw talent coming behind them. I'm rambling. Nite!
 

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All conjecture of course, but I agree with Creme's order. Your points about coaching and Loyd are well taken, but I believe the loss of McBride will hurt more than the loss of Diggins did. Throw in the loss of Anchowa and the expected rise of USC, TN and an always well coached and talented A&M.

McBride and Anchowa were the constants that strattled the Diggins transition. There's no one on ND that will be able to take the focus off Loyd next year like McBride did. You couldn't stop both, but you could stop at least one, as Geno proved against Loyd in the NC game. Lots of teams will be watching that game tape when they prep to play ND next year.
Teams can watch the game tape, but they don't have Moriah or Stewie to execute the plan. I expect Turner to be very good. Some players on the bench that Muffet lauded will become starters. Mabrey is a shooter. Allen will be solid. There will be enough players for defenses to worry about that they can't overload on Loyd. And Jewell, who was a top 10 player last year, will be a top 5 player this year--with Stewie, Kaleena, and MoJett.
 

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Teams can watch the game tape, but they don't have Moriah or Stewie to execute the plan. I expect Turner to be very good. Some players on the bench that Muffet lauded will become starters. Mabrey is a shooter. Allen will be solid. There will be enough players for defenses to worry about that they can't overload on Loyd. And Jewell, who was a top 10 player last year, will be a top 5 player this year--with Stewie, Kaleena, and MoJett.
I believe in Loyd, she's a terrific player and will likely be where you suggest. I'm just not seeing the same threat you are from the rest of the crew. Turner will be good, but she'll also be a frosh. Reimer is no Anchonwa. Mabrey needs clean open looks to be affective and doesn't create well for herself. ND will be far easier to defend than they have been in recent years.
 
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I expect Reimer to improve significantly in her 2nd year. She is very talented. Achonwa was not the Achonwa we now know in her 1st year either. If Allen is more aggressive on offense, that will open up looks for Mabrey. I think they will run Mabrey off of screens like they did McBride to get her more catch-and-shot looks.
 

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" Who are your biggest rivals? ND, Louisville, Stanford and Tennessee?"

Beyond those teams you mention the other factor that seems to excite the fans are the behaviors of the opposing coaches and players. ND and Tennessee still qualify in that regard and then you could add Rutgers and Syracuse. A playing style that seems to cross the line and increase the chances of physical harm to the players triggers many of us to respond.
 
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