Counting of blocked shots

[ballhawk]

For a long time I've had the perception that not all blocked shots were being counted in women's basketball. Case in point- today, against Tulsa, Moriah clearly blocked a shot. Meghan commented on it after the block. And yet, the official stats did not credit Mo with any blocks today. Can any BYer explain the discrepancy? Is it sloppiness or is my definition of a blocked shot different from the official scorer's? Or are there other explanations?

 

[f1f1ferrari]

I don't understand it either. I was listening on the radio, and Bob Joyce called it, saying it was her second block of the season. It must have been pretty clearly a block, yet nothing shows up in the box score!

 

[Dennygrnn]

I don't understand it either. I was listening on the radio, and Bob Joyce called it, saying it was her second block of the season. It must have been pretty clearly a block, yet nothing shows up in the box score!

This is a great question. There have been many games where my perception of rebounds or blocks totals are very different from the official scorer's. I have asked the same questions - is it faulty perception, a lack of understanding of the official definitions or official scorer error?
I am going to re-watch last nights game - I thought Stewie had more than 4 blocks.

 

[uconnfan68]

This is a great question. There have been many games where my perception of rebounds or blocks totals are very different from the official scorer's. I have asked the same questions - is it faulty perception, a lack of understanding of the official definitions or official scorer error?
I am going to re-watch last nights game - I thought Stewie had more than 4 blocks.

She might have at home. Road officials are notoriously frugal.

 

[CocoHusky]

For a long time I've had the perception that not all blocked shots were being counted in women's basketball. Case in point- today, against Tulsa, Moriah clearly blocked a shot. Meghan commented on it after the block. And yet, the official stats did not credit Mo with any blocks today. Can any BYer explain the discrepancy? Is it sloppiness or is my definition of a blocked shot different from the official scorer's? Or are there other explanations?

Just human error. Even from the best seat in the house it is impossible for 1 person to see everything that is going on. The original camera angle did not catch MoJeff's block cleanly either. It was on the replay that you could clearly tell it was a block .

 

[stamfordhusky]

This is a great question. There have been many games where my perception of rebounds or blocks totals are very different from the official scorer's. I have asked the same questions - is it faulty perception, a lack of understanding of the official definitions or official scorer error?
I am going to re-watch last nights game - I thought Stewie had more than 4 blocks.

I didn't see the play, but there are a few reasons why a block might not show up:

1. When a player is driving to the basket and has her shot "blocked" before her hand is in shooting position, it is supposed to be called a steal instead of a block.
2. I can testify from first-hand experience that it is sometimes tough to see a block, if it's more of a tip than a complete rejection, when seated at the scorer's table.
3. When there is a flurry of missed shots and rebounds, with a block in the middle, sometimes the scorer forgets to key in the block since the missed shots and rebounds have a higher priority, i.e. they must balance in the box score.

As for rebounds, ultimately each shot HAS to have a rebound - and it is impossible for the scorer not to ultimately give a rebound to someone. I can think of two situations where you and the scorer might disagree as to whether a rebound happened. The first would be if a player briefly grabs a rebound and then loses it or has it stolen. In that case it is a judgement call as to whether it is a rebound followed by a turnover or simply a rebound to the opposing team who ended up with the ball. Secondly, it is also a judgement call when a player attempts to tip in a rebound at the offensive end. It can either be a rebound and a missed shot - or it can be nothing. There is also one situation where a rebound can be attributed to one of two players. That is when a player tips a rebound to a teammate. If it is a controlled tip, then the first player should get the rebound. If it is just batted while trying to control the ball, then the second player would get credit. This can also happen (rarely) on a blocked shot, where the player who blocked the shot also gets credit for the rebound.

 

[reno tony]

I don't know how anyone could have missed the block by Moriah. My favorite UCONN plays are Moriah's blocks.... until Moriah somehow figures out how to dunk the ball. I believe Natalie also had a block but it might have been listed as a steal instead.

 

[CocoHusky]

I don't know how anyone could have missed the block by Moriah. My favorite UCONN plays are Moriah's blocks.... until Moriah somehow figures out how to dunk the ball. I believe Natalie also had a block but it might have been listed as a steal instead.

Do you recall the approximate time of the block? I don't have access to the replay right now.

 

[geneticrex]

Sloppiness.

The blocked shot was clear and without question.

 

[TheGOAT23]

Sloppiness.

The blocked shot was clear and without question.

It was very clear that Mo blocked a shot and Stewie definitely had more than 4 blocks.

 

[ThisJustIn]

Sloppiness? Or angle or error....

I'm wondering if a team can ask for a review (if they care) ... I recall something happened around a... triple-double? around total points?

 

[Biff]

Sloppiness? Or angle or error....

I'm wondering if a team can ask for a review (if they care) ... I recall something happened around a... triple-double? around total points?

Wasn't that Oklahoma and one of the Paris sisters???

 

[geneticrex]

Sloppiness? Or angle or error....

I'm wondering if a team can ask for a review (if they care) ... I recall something happened around a... triple-double? around total points?

Anything is possible, but I feel since the block took place round the arc, in the open with nary another individual in the vacinity, the only excuse that would make sense, would be the official scorer's head was angled toward his/her shoes.

 

[Dennygrnn]

I didn't see the play, but there are a few reasons why a block might not show up:

1. When a player is driving to the basket and has her shot "blocked" before her hand is in shooting position, it is supposed to be called a steal instead of a block.
2. I can testify from first-hand experience that it is sometimes tough to see a block, if it's more of a tip than a complete rejection, when seated at the scorer's table.
3. When there is a flurry of missed shots and rebounds, with a block in the middle, sometimes the scorer forgets to key in the block since the missed shots and rebounds have a higher priority, i.e. they must balance in the box score.

As for rebounds, ultimately each shot HAS to have a rebound - and it is impossible for the scorer not to ultimately give a rebound to someone. I can think of two situations where you and the scorer might disagree as to whether a rebound happened. The first would be if a player briefly grabs a rebound and then loses it or has it stolen. In that case it is a judgement call as to whether it is a rebound followed by a turnover or simply a rebound to the opposing team who ended up with the ball. Secondly, it is also a judgement call when a player attempts to tip in a rebound at the offensive end. It can either be a rebound and a missed shot - or it can be nothing. There is also one situation where a rebound can be attributed to one of two players. That is when a player tips a rebound to a teammate. If it is a controlled tip, then the first player should get the rebound. If it is just batted while trying to control the ball, then the second player would get credit. This can also happen (rarely) on a blocked shot, where the player who blocked the shot also gets credit for the rebound.

Thanks so much for the explanation. Two of them happened last night and both with Gabby involved. On one, she skied for a rebound and, as her feet hit the floor, the ball was knocked out of bounds by a Tulsa player. On the second, she went high to tip an offensive rebound out to Mo - I wondered on both if she were given credit?

 

[Dennygrnn]

It was very clear that Mo blocked a shot and Stewie definitely had more than 4 blocks.

I re-watched the game - Stewie clearly had 6 blocks. Her last could have been missed at the scorer's table because it was a finger-tip rejection, causing an air-ball which Stewie came down with.

 

[UcMiami]

Stamford - nice descriptions.
There are a few more vagaries on blocks - the player has to be shooting for it to be a blocked shot, which means they have to continue to have control of the ball through a shooting motion - sometimes a player in the act of going up for a shot actually loses control of the ball and so it isn't actually a shot at all and cannot therefore be blocked - as an example: there was a play in the KY 2013 replay that was just posted where a foul occurred on a driving KY player, and the officials, much to the KY coach's displeasure, determined it as a non-shooting foul because they felt the player had lost control of the ball before the foul occurred. Another example: the last play in the TX semi-final I think was recorded as a steal by DT and not a blocked shot, because the TX player lost control of the ball on her way up to shoot.
The other interpretation is whether something was actually a shot or a pass, and it can sometimes be hard to judge - tipped passes do not register on the score sheet, tipped shots count as blocks regardless of who recovers the ball.
And yeah - Moriah was robbed! She treasures those blocked shots!

 

[reno tony]

Do you recall the approximate time of the block? I don't have access to the replay right now.

No I don't. I don't even remember which half it was in. Sorry.

 

[Biff]

No I don't. I don't even remember which half it was in. Sorry.

Beginning of second Q in the middle of the 24-0 run.

 

[TheGOAT23]

Beginning of second Q in the middle of the 24-0 run.

How clear is that block?

 

[BigBird]

Mo blocked it. Period.