Could we stop the begging please?

[toppencil]

Are you not disgusted with UConn's NCAA infractions? Have you not been appalled all these years that UConn helped facilitate a raid on C-USA, leaving schools scratching their heads on what to do next, while we sipped martinis enjoying our basketball dominance?

The ACC is no better, no worse. Let's debate right and wrong after our seat at the table is secured.

The Big East acted above board not in back rooms in secret. I don't have a problem with schools changing leagues, just do it above board. What Syracuse and Pitt did was not out in the open.

Off course I don't like UConn breaking the rules. I was simply pointing out that the ACC was not some polly pure league.
Sorry to disagree but IMO the ACC is much worse.

 

[businesslawyer]

So your logic is raid someone else before they raid you? That's a good thing? The ACC has twice raided the Big East in a machiavellian manner that is probably tortious interference. Isn't that wrong?

We're talking about college athletics not Fortune 500 companies. You have 7 schools scratching their heads, trying to figure out what to do next and the ACC commissioner is sipping a martini and laughing. That's not wrong?

UConn, my alma mater, prostrating themselves to get in the ACC and they say "I'm not sure you are worthy of being an ACC man". C'mon man, are you serious? Step back and take a look at the behavior of the ACC, it's detestable.

tortious interference noun encouraging a breach, infringing on another's agreement, interfering with contract, interfering with contractual commitments, interfering with contractual obligation, interferrng with contractual rights, intermeddling, intermeddling with business activities, obstruction, work against anothers contractual relationship, wrongful interference with business relationships, wrongful interference with contractual relationships
Here's a few comments from others that show the ACC lack's integrity.

After the 2003 raid and subsequent Big East lawsuit filing; "Fraud is not too strong a word to describe what has happened here," Blumenthal said. "This lawsuit reveals a back-room conspiracy, born in secret, founded on greed, and carried out through calculated deceit."

From sports reporter Dennis Dodd more recently "Swofford is a supposedly honorable person and well-respected, but at least in prison, you kind of know danger lurks around every corner. In this ruthless college land grab, the guy you shake hands with today could be burning your home to the ground tomorrow.
Swofford actually spoke these words to CBSSports.com in August: "We need to restore confidence and integrity into the collegiate model and that can only be done if and when we as leaders work together in a constructive manner."
No one worked together on this one except Pittsburgh and Syracuse, which slipped out of the Big East like the Baltimore Colts on the way to Indianapolis -- in a furtive and gutless manner. "

Regarding your allegation that the ACC is far cleaner than the SEC, try again; Georgia Tech, UNC and Miami are all under NCAA investigation. Research for yourself.

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...07/georgia-tech-football-ncaa-investigation/1
http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/09/20/1503045/a-timeline-of-the-ncaa-investigation.html
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/08/miami_ncaa_investigation_8_pla.html

I repeat, the ACC is everything that is wrong with college athletics.

I have seen little that seriously allows one to argue tortious interference. Pitt and Syracuse both have the right to leave the Big East with 27 months notice. Both they and the ACC have said that if the Big EAst wants to enforce the 27 months notice, fine. Maybe there are other facts there, but we don't know of them.

The closest thing to a basis for a suit I see is if, and it's a big if, Pitt forced everyone to decline the TV contract while in serious negotiations with the ACC without describing why, then you have serious fiduciary issues. Having said that, I think it's likely from all reports that Pitt didn't know it was leaving at that time.

Is it immoral that colleges act this way? Heck yes. Should the feds be stepping in to prevent non-profits that aren't taxed from behaving in as competitive a manner as taxable corporations? You can make this case. But that and $8 will get you over the George Washington Bridge. We need to secure our future.

 

[Carl Spackler]

$8? Holy crap. With e-zpass I don't even pay attention anymore. I wonder what they're ripping me off for on the garden state parkway.

 

[upstater]

So, if Pitt and Cuse leave prior to 27 months, they pay a penalty. What is the penalty? If they leave earlier without the BE agreeing to it, then what?

 

[toppencil]

So, if Pitt and Cuse leave prior to 27 months, they pay a penalty. What is the penalty? If they leave earlier without the BE agreeing to it, then what?

They have to wear "liar, liar, pants on fire." on the back of their uniforms for a year. Yeah, I'm drinking.

 

[businesslawyer]

So, if Pitt and Cuse leave prior to 27 months, they pay a penalty. What is the penalty? If they leave earlier without the BE agreeing to it, then what?

Then they are in breach, and if the ACC is inducing them to do it you have a tortious interference suit. But that won't happen. That's why Jimmy B is already complaining about not being let out early -- because no one is going to open themselves up for a multimillion dollar lawsuit.

 

[toppencil]

Then they are in breach, and if the ACC is inducing them to do it you have a tortious interference suit. But that won't happen. That's why Jimmy B is already complaining about not being let out early -- because no one is going to open themselves up for a multimillion dollar lawsuit.

So what are the damages? How do you show there are damages in dollars by them not performing? They would be replaced on the schedules, thus no damages. But seriously, how do you prove any damages?

 

[businesslawyer]

So what are the damages? How do you show there are damages in dollars by them not performing? They would be replaced on the schedules, thus no damages. But seriously, how do you prove any damages?

Depends. I doubt our TV partners have to pay us the same amount of money. Depending on whom you replace them with, you might be able to make a case for lost attendance. Losing prestige -- very difficult.

But the ACC is not, repeat not, going to let them go there so this discussion is moot. You don't know what state law will necessarily apply and the ACC isn't risking punitives or exemplary damages just to get Syracuse and Pitt in one year early. Frankly, they don't need them in one year early.

 

[jrazz12]

So what are the damages? How do you show there are damages in dollars by them not performing? They would be replaced on the schedules, thus no damages. But seriously, how do you prove any damages?

What's with the Boeheim picture?

 

[toppencil]

Depends. I doubt our TV partners have to pay us the same amount of money. Depending on whom you replace them with, you might be able to make a case for lost attendance. Losing prestige -- very difficult.

But the ACC is not, repeat not, going to let them go there so this discussion is moot. You don't know what state law will necessarily apply and the ACC isn't risking punitives or exemplary damages just to get Syracuse and Pitt in one year early. Frankly, they don't need them in one year early.

Thanks

 

[toppencil]

What's with the Boeheim picture?

???

 

[upstater]

What's with the Boeheim picture?

Obviously he didn't realize that his account settings are good for both the Cuse and UConn site.

 

[uconnric]

So what are the damages? How do you show there are damages in dollars by them not performing? They would be replaced on the schedules, thus no damages. But seriously, how do you prove any damages?

When damages are hard to quantify, the relief would be by an injunction.

 

[spsct]

The groveling isn't working. It's pretty clear where we stand on this. UConn is a known quantity, if they want us, they wan't us. If they don't. Well, you get the picture.

That's pretty much my feeling. I poke around seeing what the latest is, but I can't get myself gnashing my teeth over this. I hope to hell we end up in a BCS conference, but all of the worrying, finger pointing, and so on isn't going to make the BE better or get us into another conference.

 

[IMind]

Obviously he didn't realize that his account settings are good for both the Cuse and UConn site.

'Cuse trolls are fun.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I think we need to beg harder.

 

[CTMike]

I think we need to beg harder.

 

[zls44]

I think we need to beg harder.

You're right, we shouldn't rebuild bridges with an ACC school. We should continue to turn our noses upward and hope and pray that they realize the overwhelming greatness of the University of Connecticut. It will magically all be ok, just sit around and do nothing.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

You're right, we shouldn't rebuild bridges with an ACC school. We should continue to turn our noses upward and hope and pray that they realize the overwhelming greatness of the University of Connecticut. It will magically all be ok, just sit around and do nothing.

Again, you continue to fail to comprehend what I am saying despite me having made the same post about 2 dozen times in the last week.

In fact, you are the one proposing we sit around and pray for the phone to ring.

I will say this to you one last time, and if you do not understand it this time, there is no hope for you.

I do not believe the ACC will ever add UConn, but if UConn wants to keep trying to get into the ACC, it must rebuild the Big East. UConn will never get there without a strong Big East.

BYU, TCU (kind of), and Utah got into BCS conferences because the MWC was strong and their programs were strong. Same with Louisville, USF and Cincinnati with CUSA. Crying about the unfairness of life and or that they are screwed is not an effective strategy for athletic programs or in life.

 

[ZooCougar]

There's a fine line between begging and reasoning. Reasoning means we get the idiot Governor to shut his trap and let the qualified people work the backchannels.

Public groveling makes us look pathetic.

 

[uconnfan68]

Again, you continue to fail to comprehend what I am saying despite me having made the same post about 2 dozen times in the last week.

In fact, you are the one proposing we sit around and pray for the phone to ring.

I will say this to you one last time, and if you do not understand it this time, there is no hope for you.

I do not believe the ACC will ever add UConn, but if UConn wants to keep trying to get into the ACC, it must rebuild the Big East. UConn will never get there without a strong Big East.

BYU, TCU (kind of), and Utah got into BCS conferences because the MWC was strong and their programs were strong. Same with Louisville, USF and Cincinnati with CUSA. Crying about the unfairness of life and or that they are screwed is not an effective strategy for athletic programs or in life.

Rebuilding the Big East is like herding cats. First, they need to separate the ones with FB from the others. Let the BB-onlies go their own way. Next, find 12 schools that are on the same continent, that play D1 football, and, the kicker, don't suck at it. Finally, invent a teleporter to save on travel costs.