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Jerry1714 said:
The post was about the draft. Here is another one about the draft and how terrible Reese is: http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/3/1/8083611/scot-mccloughan-and-the-nfls-best-and-worst-drafting-gms

In another thread I already laughed out your for pointing out he was 16th and in turn proving my point. You can go read that, I will not clutter another thread with it.
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Yeah, and the draft alone is not a measure of a GM. And BTW, that is not a list about NFL history it's a snapshot of current GM, so you've proved my point.
 
Palatine said:
Sporting news says he is 16th. And you're completely ignoring free agency which is convenient for you but one of the most important parts of the job.
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You are COMPLETELY ignoring actual concrete proof on Reese's draft record..the same guy who has not done very well in FA signings as well. Do you have trouble reading and comprehending numbers @Palatine? .
 
Palatine said:
Yeah, and the draft alone is not a measure of a GM. And BTW, that is not a list about NFL history it's a snapshot of current GM, so you've proved my point.
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You are sticking up for Reese you moron....are you gonna ignore posts with facts and truth like your buddy Nos when it doesn't fit your fantasy?
 
Palatine said:
Yeah, and the draft alone is not a measure of a GM. And BTW, that is not a list about NFL history it's a snapshot of current GM, so you've proved my point.
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Quit while you're ahead and get out of the thread...you'll just keep digging yourself a hole you can't escape...ignore me if you wish...my posts and facts aren't going away in this thread and stand up for themselves.
 
Palatine said:
Yeah, and the draft alone is not a measure of a GM. And BTW, that is not a list about NFL history it's a snapshot of current GM, so you've proved my point.
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I guess a GM who ranks last of current GMs in drafting proves your point how good Reese is, and being ranked the 16th GM out of say 25 eligible contenders makes you great.

My favorite part of it is you said Coughlin and should be the one to go was the issue but he was the 7th rated coach by a publication you use to show how good Reese is, but that same publication ranks Reese 16th.

Man, you are really are dumber than I thought. I feel like I am arguing with Brendan Dassey right now. There is honestly no point in continuing this with you, everyone has called you out for not knowing a thing, no point in continuing arguing with someone who just does not have any clue about what they are talking about
 
Jerry1714 said:
I guess a GM who ranks last of current GMs in drafting proves your point how good Reese is, and being ranked the 16th GM out of say 25 eligible contenders makes you great.

My favorite part of it is you said Coughlin and should be the one to go was the issue but he was the 7th rated coach by a publication you use to show how good Reese is, but that same publication ranks Reese 16th.

Man, you are really are dumber than I thought. I feel like I am arguing with Brendan Dassey right now. There is honestly no point in continuing this with you, everyone has called you out for not knowing a thing, no point in continuing arguing with someone who just does not have any clue about what they are talking about
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He won't be back...or will ignore our posts like his buddy Nos does. When things don't go their way and facts are posted that refute their point..they ignore the posts like they don't exist. That way they can't be wrong. Nice job posting those links Jerry...they were nice to read!
 
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I have posted a ton of facts. Reese is going nowhere because he has done credible job.

Coughlin is leaving because he has been terrible for years.

And how can you call anyone stupid after posting "The fact that Jerry Reese, who has the worst drafting record in the history of the NFL, is not fired is an absolute disgrace."

Worst in the history of the NFL. Back that up. It is insanity.
 
Palatine said:
I have posted a ton of facts. Reese is going nowhere because he has done credible job.

Coughlin is leaving because he has been terrible for years.

And how can you call anyone stupid after posting "The fact that Jerry Reese, who has the worst drafting record in the history of the NFL, is not fired is an absolute disgrace."

Worst in the history of the NFL. Back that up. It is insanity.
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I didn't make that post you moron..@bmayuc did..it was post #15 in this thread:

The fact that Jerry Reese, who has the worst drafting record in the history of the NFL, is not fired is an absolute disgrace. Get him the hell out of NY.

bmayuc, Yesterday at 11:54 PMReport
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...go back and read it for yourself..if you can read and comprehend..which at this pointing this thread is debatable! As for why Reese didn't get fired..NYG don't fire GM's..but you would know that if you were a REAL NYG fan and followed the NYG beat writers! They have been writing that for months now! You haven't posted 1 fact that supports that this wasn't Reese's fault except that he drafted OBJ. When you can compete with facts that contradict what has been posted here by myself and @Jerry1714 let us know! But keep it up a s s h a t..you just keep showing what an ignorant NFL football fan you are! You should really stick to UCONN football...
 
FDNY99. Read this and take a minute to understand it.

Q. John, are you open to a new head coach who is going to come in and might want to have more of a say in personnel?

JOHN MARA: You say 'more of a say.' This coach had as much of a say as any head coach we ever had. I cannot think of any personnel decisions that we made in the last 12 years that Tom was against. He did not have any players forced upon him at all.
 
Palatine said:
FDNY99. Read this and take a minute to understand it.

Q. John, are you open to a new head coach who is going to come in and might want to have more of a say in personnel?

JOHN MARA: You say 'more of a say.' This coach had as much of a say as any head coach we ever had. I cannot think of any personnel decisions that we made in the last 12 years that Tom was against. He did not have any players forced upon him at all.
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That's fine at the end of the day..the GM and his scouting dept are responsible for giving the coach a list of players to choose from if he had the input. I'm gonna go Nos on you here with sources...a very good friend of mine from work has a younger brother that was the Asst GM in Miami and is now the director of player personnel in Houston. Jerry Reese's rep in the NFL is not that good...in fact it is pretty poor. His talent evaluation skills are among the worst in the league and his is living off of 2 Super Bowls and getting lucky with some reaches in 2 drafts. Hell John Mara said that today..he believes in Reese because he won 2 super bowls. If you mean to tell me that you think that Tom Coughlin who to draft for every one of those picks that I listed before I have a bridge to sell you that goes to Brooklyn! If you are a NYG fan and you think that Jerry Reese doesn't deserve to be fired today with Coughlin..then you flat out don't know football. Coughlin also refused to shake John Mara's hand walking out of the presser today..and Reese got VERY defensive with the press when he was called out during the Q&A. Until Reese gets fired this organization will be the same s h i t over and over each season...barely making the playoffs with a roster full of LB's who wouldn't make the practice squad of the rest of the teams in the league!
 
Luckily i have @Palatine blocked because this looks like a doozy. But check out this article from Barnwell a few years ago. its almost impossible by laws of statistical probability to have drafted as poorly as Reese has. Like, he almost couldn't have done as poorly as he has even if he tried his hardest to do so.

The Giants, for 5-7 years now have simply not invested in several positions that have constantly hamstrung them. They spend all their energy/resources on skill position players at the expense of the road graders and toughness players. OL, DL, LB, and TE are just ignored completely.

What this causes is great variability, ups and downs, booms and busts. The reason is simple: OL, DL, LB, and TE aren't flashy or stand-out, but they provide the foundation for every other player to succeed. If you have a great OL, you are in 2nd and 5 instead of 2nd and 9(a fact I do not have to elaborate on to UConn football fans). If you have great DL/LB, the opposite is true. So when our skill guys make amazing plays or succeed despite our awful foundational players, its streaky and can paper over some of the glaring deficiencies. When they can't be supermen, we lose convincingly.

Here's barnwell's article. read if you dare.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-new-york-football-injured-giants/
 
bmayuc said:
Luckily i have @Palatine blocked because this looks like a doozy. But check out this article from Barnwell a few years ago. its almost impossible by laws of statistical probability to have drafted as poorly as Reese has. Like, he almost couldn't have done as poorly as he has even if he tried his hardest to do so.

The Giants, for 5-7 years now have simply not invested in several positions that have constantly hamstrung them. They spend all their energy/resources on skill position players at the expense of the road graders and toughness players. OL, DL, LB, and TE are just ignored completely.

What this causes is great variability, ups and downs, booms and busts. The reason is simple: OL, DL, LB, and TE aren't flashy or stand-out, but they provide the foundation for every other player to succeed. If you have a great OL, you are in 2nd and 5 instead of 2nd and 9(a fact I do not have to elaborate on to UConn football fans). If you have great DL/LB, the opposite is true. So when our skill guys make amazing plays or succeed despite our awful foundational players, its streaky and can paper over some of the glaring deficiencies. When they can't be supermen, we lose convincingly.

Here's barnwell's article. read if you dare.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-new-york-football-injured-giants/
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It is skewed by David Wilson's injury.

And your comment is nonsense, the two of the last three #1 picks were offenive lineman and Richberg was the #2 pick after Beckham 2014. Do you even folllow the Giants? Or do you think offensive lineman are skill players?
 
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bmayuc said:
Luckily i have @Palatine blocked because this looks like a doozy. But check out this article from Barnwell a few years ago. its almost impossible by laws of statistical probability to have drafted as poorly as Reese has. Like, he almost couldn't have done as poorly as he has even if he tried his hardest to do so.

The Giants, for 5-7 years now have simply not invested in several positions that have constantly hamstrung them. They spend all their energy/resources on skill position players at the expense of the road graders and toughness players. OL, DL, LB, and TE are just ignored completely.

What this causes is great variability, ups and downs, booms and busts. The reason is simple: OL, DL, LB, and TE aren't flashy or stand-out, but they provide the foundation for every other player to succeed. If you have a great OL, you are in 2nd and 5 instead of 2nd and 9(a fact I do not have to elaborate on to UConn football fans). If you have great DL/LB, the opposite is true. So when our skill guys make amazing plays or succeed despite our awful foundational players, its streaky and can paper over some of the glaring deficiencies. When they can't be supermen, we lose convincingly.

Here's barnwell's article. read if you dare.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-new-york-football-injured-giants/
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You are smart...he just keeps reinforcing how little he knows about the NFL with each post...
 
Palatine said:
That's a fact. Losing our #1 so fast affects the numbers.. And what about the res of that post?
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Told you I was not going to argue with someone who is as dumb as you are on the subject of the Giants and the NFL. Did not realize you had as bad as a rep on this board as you do, but it is well earned.
 
Palatine said:
It is skewed by David Wilson's injury.

And your comment is nonsense, the two of the last three #1 picks were offenive lineman and Richberg was the #2 pick after Beckham 2014. Do you even folllow the Giants? Or do you think offensive lineman are skill players?
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Hey Pal..why don't you call Pat Kirwan and tell him why Coughlin should have been fired and why Jerry Reese is such a GREAT GM
SiriusXM NFL Radio ‏@SiriusXMNFL 3m3 minutes ago
Pat Kirwan on Tom Coughlin "This guy should be admired, and he should have NEVER been fired!" #Giants @Giants
 
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Palatine said:
Call the Maras -who own the team- and ask them why they don't agree with you?
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I will actually say something to John Mara when I see him in church next week. He goes to the same church I go to in Rye...
At least I have the b a l l s to say something...calling Pat Kirwan is pretty easy.... I have to say one thing...it's easy to see why you have the rep on here that you do. And you reinforce how much of a moronic you are each and every time you put a finger to the keyboard when making posts here.
 
Palatine said:
Call the Maras -who own the team- and ask them why they don't agree with you?

WGAF what Pat Kirwan thinks.
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This was just too easy to not respond to:

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
Mara is talking to GM Jerry Reese about some flawed drafts and personnel issues. "It remains to be seen" if team makes front office moves

Dan Graziano ‏@DanGrazianoESPN
Mara making it clear Giants’ issues are personnel related, result of bad drafts. Roster “obviously was lacking in talent.”

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
Mara attributes poor draft classes to the team's recent slump. Says changes could be made on the personnel side.

Patricia Traina ‏@Patricia_Traina
Mara said Jerry knows the lack of talent is on him.

Watch the presser today, or don't, you will continue to sound like a fool either way
 
Jerry1714 said:
This was just too easy to not respond to:

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
Mara is talking to GM Jerry Reese about some flawed drafts and personnel issues. "It remains to be seen" if team makes front office moves

Dan Graziano ‏@DanGrazianoESPN
Mara making it clear Giants’ issues are personnel related, result of bad drafts. Roster “obviously was lacking in talent.”

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
Mara attributes poor draft classes to the team's recent slump. Says changes could be made on the personnel side.

Patricia Traina ‏@Patricia_Traina
Mara said Jerry knows the lack of talent is on him.

Watch the presser today, or don't, you will continue to sound like a fool either way
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Yeah, that's great. But Coughlin is gone and the football people who run the Giants kept Reese.

So that would mean that the people actually responsible for these decisions don't really think those tweets are very important.

So maybe you're not really as clued in as you think.
 
Palatine said:
Yeah, that's great. But Coughlin is gone and the football people who run the Giants kept Reese.

So that would mean that the people actually responsible for these decisions don't really think those tweets are very important.

So maybe you're not really as clued in as you think.
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An you continue to reinforce yourself as a moronic ....do you even go to NY Giant games?
 
FDNY99 said:
An you continue to reinforce yourself as a moronic ....do you even go to NY Giant games?
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If I'm a , why is Coughlin gone and Reese still in place?

Why does reality not support your many bold statements? Why is reality running completely counter to your argument?

Really, answer those questions. And retweets are not answers.
 
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If the Giants overhaul their offensive and defensive lines, linebackers, defensive backs, safeties, and receivers, they'll have a good team!:)
 
Palatine said:
If I'm a , why is Coughlin gone and Reese still in place?

Why does reality not support your many bold statements? Why is reality running completely counter to your argument?

Really, answer those questions. And retweets are not answers.
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Your argument that he is a good GM is based on your opinion. Reese is still employed because the NYG don't fire GM's. You would know that if you followed the team in the least bit. John Mara should have fired them both. I'll ask you again are you a NYG fan and do you go to games? Better yet since you have a lot to say about UCONN football do you have season tickets to that too?
 
FDNY99 said:
Your argument that he is a good GM is based on your opinion. Reese is still employed because the NYG don't fire GM's. You would know that if you followed the team in the least bit. John Mara should have fired them both. I'll ask you again are you a NYG fan and do you go to games? Better yet since you have a lot to say about UCONN football do you have season tickets to that too?
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No I said he is middle of the pack.

Coughlin lost game after game with bad game day decisions especially his total befuddlement of the clock.
 
Palatine said:
No I said he is middle of the pack.

Coughlin lost game after game with bad game day decisions especially his total befuddlement of the clock.
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Last post here on this Pal...if you were a true NYG fan and knew anything about the NYG and the way they do business and followed any of their beat writers you would realize that the NYG don't fire GM's and that everyone in the NYC media is stunned Reese still has a job. You would also realize that Reese has done a horrible job of stocking the roster with decent draft picks. But alas you are just a stirring troll who by not responding to my questions about going to NYG games probably hasn't stepped foot into Met Life since it has opened. You also by silence on my question to having UCONN season tickets don't have those either but LOVE to run your mouth about what Diaco should do, doesn't do and sucks at.
 
FDNY99 said:
Last post here on this Pal...if you were a true NYG fan and knew anything about the NYG and the way they do business and followed any of their beat writers you would realize that the NYG don't fire GM's and that everyone in the NYC media is stunned Reese still has a job. You would also realize that Reese has done a horrible job of stocking the roster with decent draft picks. But alas you are just a stirring troll who by not responding to my questions about going to NYG games probably hasn't stepped foot into Met Life since it has opened. You also by silence on my question to having UCONN season tickets don't have those either but LOVE to run your mouth about what Diaco should do, doesn't do and sucks at.
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I started following the Giants when Charlie Conerly was the QB. I know what a bad Giant GM is. Try living through the 70s.
 
FDNY99 said:
Last post here on this Pal...if you were a true NYG fan and knew anything about the NYG and the way they do business and followed any of their beat writers you would realize that the NYG don't fire GM's and that everyone in the NYC media is stunned Reese still has a job. You would also realize that Reese has done a horrible job of stocking the roster with decent draft picks. But alas you are just a stirring troll who by not responding to my questions about going to NYG games probably hasn't stepped foot into Met Life since it has opened. You also by silence on my question to having UCONN season tickets don't have those either but LOVE to run your mouth about what Diaco should do, doesn't do and sucks at.
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I started following the Giants when Charlie Conerly was the QB. I know what a bad Giant GM is. Try living through the 70s.
 
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