Congratulations 'Cuse and Pitt

[MattMang23]

Well at the very least playing conference games with Clemson, FSU, G tech, VT, and Miami is more interesting than SMU Houston and Memphis.

O WAIT ALL THOSE TEAMS ARE JUMPING TO TEH XII TOMORROW I REDD IT ON TEH TWITTERZZZ!!!

I never defended our new conference schedule versus Syracuse's new conference slate. I would rather be playing Syracuse's new schedule than ours.

I was making a mockery of IthacaMatt's post about how Syracuse's new conference is just bubbling with long-time blood rivals. Our new conference schedule doesn't exactly have rivalries oozing out the anus, either.

But then again, I never claimed it did.

Your post is just further evidence that Syracuse's academic reputation keeps going down...



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[nelsonmuntz]

Well at the very least playing conference games with Clemson, FSU, G tech, VT, and Miami is more interesting than SMU Houston and Memphis.

O WAIT ALL THOSE TEAMS ARE JUMPING TO TEH XII TOMORROW I REDD IT ON TEH TWITTERZZZ!!!

Boise, Cincinnati and Louisville will likely be higher ranked in two years than anyone on Syracuse's conference schedule.

 

[baggerbob]

I have a lot of reasons that i want Uconn, to join syr and pitt in the ACC, but nelsonmuntz and Carl S are 2 of the best reasons. One is the eternal pessimist, the other the eternal optimist. No other board has 2 people who balance each other as perfectly.

 

[docsu]

I never defended our new conference schedule versus Syracuse's new conference slate. I would rather be playing Syracuse's new schedule than ours.

I was making a mockery of IthacaMatt's post about how Syracuse's new conference is just bubbling with long-time blood rivals. Our new conference schedule doesn't exactly have rivalries oozing out the anus, either.

But then again, I never claimed it did.

Your post is just further evidence that Syracuse's academic reputation keeps going down...



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Not sure what's wrong with what he said. We've actually had long series with Miami, VT, Maryland, and Pitt. We've had recent h/h's with a lot of the conference. I wouldn't call THOSE rivalries and I don't think imatt was either.

And with your pathetic attempt at academic smack. You guys have Nelson...I need not say more.

 

[docsu]

Boise, Cincinnati and Louisville will likely be higher ranked in two years than anyone on Syracuse's conference schedule.[/


Right because expansion is for what happens two years from now.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

You may be responsible for killing a conference before actually joining it, shortly after destroying a conference before actually leaving it. I think it is pretty clear that adding these two programs was never popular in Tallahassee or Clemson and was further evidence (at least in their minds, maybe reality) that Tobacco Road is serving their own interest. If we use 2009 athletic revenue, which is the earliest I could find, as a stand in for the value a school can bring then I really believe that the ACC would have been better off: a)doing nothing (6 ACC teams earned more than the #1 Big East Program, UConn), b) added UConn and WVU ($54M each, #39 and #40 overall), or c) UConn and Rutgers ($54M and $50M each and trying to sow up (to the extent that is possible) NYC.

Pitt was just a joke and I really don't understand the defense for adding this program. BC should be taken out to the shed for pushing them down that path.

This may go down as one of the most epically stupid strategic moves in the history of college sports. Swofford destroyed two conferences with this move.

 

[whaler11]

This may go down as one of the most epically stupid strategic moves in the history of college sports. Swofford destroyed two conferences with this move.

I don't really get this. If the ACC is dead because FSU and Clemson leave what does that have to do with Pitt and Syracuse? If the money is so good that FSU and Clempzon have to take it.... Pitt and Syracuse had no material impact.

 

[Dann]

I don't really get this. If the ACC is dead because FSU and Clemson leave what does that have to do with Pitt and Syracuse? If the money is so good that FSU and Clempzon have to take it.... Pitt and Syracuse had no material impact.

if the acc doesn't add pitt and cuse and instead goes and gets wvu/lville/uconn and sells nd on #16. it has a great tv contract and they are 1 of the big 4. that league has wvu/nd/fsu/vt which together is enough to stay a fball power. wvu brings bcs bowl wins. nd bring a national audience. lville brings the #1 fastest rising program overall and uconn brings a piece of nyc with nd(large piece) and its bball/other sports blah blah we know. uconn/nd/lville are enough with duke/unc/md to steal MSG from the BE down the road also...espn gives that league 25mil easy and its a acc all week party for the ACCT in MSG basically. This league also is a monster in baseball/soccer/lax and puck wise hockey east is home for some...cuse and pitt for the worst adds ever. fsu and clemson did a study last fall and they found that wvu followed by lville/uconn followed by ruty/pitt/cuse/usf were the most valueable. the tobacco road idiots got to picky on academics and as result killed there league and duke/wake/bc for sure for ever. the cuse in nyc's team is bs and we know this by #1 tv ratings and #2 they are farther away from the city than schools from other states.

then becuase of that the sec needs 2. the pac needs 4 and the b10 needs 4.
the b12 never gets wvu and as result other teams start to look around before they can get 10 to keep the fox contract alive and redo it like they did.
pac-tex/tt/ok/okst
sec-baylor/tcu, gives the league good markets and fanbases.
b10-kansas is a easy add probaly at this point. maybe ist/kst politics? maybe they go get cuse/pitt? i don't know, none of those teams add tv value for them that they need to get...

the acc made a horrible move. they could have made there big move and been in as 1 of the 4, now they are dying.

 

[whaler11]

When your crazy plot includes 'sell Notre Dame' it's a safe bet it's a waste of electrons.

No one is going to sell Notre Dame on anything. They aren't out buying a Prius at Carmax. They will join a conference when they need to, and if they make that decision the leagues will trip over each other to accept them.

 

[Dann]

When your crazy plot includes 'sell Notre Dame' it's a safe bet it's a waste of electrons.

No one is going to sell Notre Dame on anything. They aren't out buying a Prius at Carmax. They will join a conference when they need to, and if they make that decision the leagues will trip over each other to accept them.

your selling nd as #16 becuase u know that the big 4 is happening and that they are a big part of it in the acc. they get everything they want in that acc and know that as ruslt of this move the b12 will be gone next week and the bcs playoff etc...heck the acc adds wvu/lville/uconn and sits. let the pac figure out texas and when it becomes crystal clear then nd can take that 16th slot. and if they don't and goto the b10 for some reason, then fill it in...either way the acc was 1 of the big 4 if they got wvu/lville/uconn. but they didn't...

 

[whaler11]

your selling nd as #16 becuase u know that the big 4 is happening and that they are a big part of it in the acc. they get everything they want in that acc and know that as ruslt of this move the b12 will be gone next week and the bcs playoff etc...heck the acc adds wvu/lville/uconn and sits. let the pac figure out texas and when it becomes crystal clear then nd can take that 16th slot. and if they don't and goto the b10 for some reason, then fill it in...either way the acc was 1 of the big 4 if they got wvu/lville/uconn. but they didn't...

Please think for a second. Is the Big 10 ever in one million years going to go to 16 without Notre Dame? One billion years? The Big 10 can add whoever they want whenever they want. They will never have 16 teams as long as Notre Dame is a football independent.

Seriously you think the ACC is one of the Big 4 if they added UConn, Rutgers and Louisville? Yeah 3 teams that no one wants would have made the ACC better than the Big 12.

 

[Dann]

Please think for a second. Is the Big 10 ever in one million years going to go to 16 without Notre Dame? One billion years? The Big 10 can add whoever they want whenever they want. They will never have 16 teams as long as Notre Dame is a football independent.

that doesn't matter, they can wait for ever. but when nd realizes that college football is turning into a big 4 and knows it has to pick a home, they will. and when they pick a home the other confs will be sad but move on. the acc could have been that potential home, but they shat the bed with 1 extremely dumb move.

 

[whaler11]

that doesn't matter, they can wait for ever. but when nd realizes that college football is turning into a big 4 and knows it has to pick a home, they will. and when they pick a home the other confs will be sad but move on. the acc could have been that potential home, but they shat the bed with 1 extremely dumb move.

And if that time comes and it might... They can pick whoever they want. The ACC couldn't sell ND anymore than the Big East could have. It's a fantasy existing only in the minds of message board posters.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I don't really get this. If the ACC is dead because FSU and Clemson leave what does that have to do with Pitt and Syracuse? If the money is so good that FSU and Clempzon have to take it.... Pitt and Syracuse had no material impact.

By taking Syracuse and Pitt, Swofford guaranteed he would weaken his football league without increasing his TV contract. In the same move, he pushed TCU and WVU into the Big 12, giving the Big 12 2 Top 15 programs and solidifying it as one of the players in college football.

The right move was to merge the ACC into the Big East, bust the ESPN deal and renegotiate with NBC as a package deal. Swofford, like many on this board, viewed the ACC's success as a zero sum game vis-a-vis the Big East. The Big East was not his problem, it was his solution.

 

[Dann]

thats deeep nelson.

 

[whaler11]

To me the solution was two leagues who shared a television network. The ACC and Big East would be two leagues who jointly owned a network that held their Tier II and III rights.

I agree the ACC was dumb to kill off the Big East because the second they finally finished it off - they became the low hanging fruit.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

To me the solution was two leagues who shared a television network. The ACC and Big East would be two leagues who jointly owned a network that held their Tier II and III rights.

I agree the ACC was dumb to kill off the Big East because the second they finally finished it off - they became the low hanging fruit.

Agree on all counts.

 

[Hoophound]

Agree on all counts.

Maybe the ACC didn't realize their contract would suck so bad compared to the B12, or maybe the ACC was led to believe it would be similar and they were duped as part of a bigger plan.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Maybe the ACC didn't realize their contract would suck so bad compared to the B12, or maybe the ACC was led to believe it would be similar and they were duped as part of a bigger plan.

Possible, although the ACC contract already sucked and was locked in for 10 years. His only job was figuring out a way to re-open that deal. Adding Syracuse and Pitt, and then coming back to ESPN and asking nicely for more money was not the way to do it.

A business corollary to this is the merger of Price Waterhouse and Coopers and Lybrand in 1998. I believe they were the 5th and 6th largest accounting firms at the time, although PW may have been 4th. Coopers was under some stress because of a series of audit blunders, and both were losing market share to KPMG, E&Y and Arthur Anderson. After they merged, PWC became the #1 player in accounting, a status it has maintained since. If Swofford was at PW in 1998, he would have taken a couple of practice groups from CL and declared himself the winner despite the fact he still would have been in 5th place.

It is also worth noting that Texas and Oklahoma both approached the ACC a year ago about joining. He closes that deal, and yesterday the ACC and SEC are announcing an alliance, not the Big 12 and SEC. Marinatto gets a lot of heat, but in his defense, he didn't have a great hand to play, and to his credit, he always acted with the highest ethics. Swofford has been a scumbag throughout, was dealt a great hand, and still ended up blowing it.

 

[zls44]

It is also worth noting that Texas and Oklahoma both approached the ACC a year ago about joining.

 

[upstater]

You may be responsible for killing a conference before actually joining it, shortly after destroying a conference before actually leaving it. I think it is pretty clear that adding these two programs was never popular in Tallahassee or Clemson and was further evidence (at least in their minds, maybe reality) that Tobacco Road is serving their own interest. If we use 2009 athletic revenue, which is the earliest I could find, as a stand in for the value a school can bring then I really believe that the ACC would have been better off: a)doing nothing (6 ACC teams earned more than the #1 Big East Program, UConn), b) added UConn and WVU ($54M each, #39 and #40 overall), or c) UConn and Rutgers ($54M and $50M each and trying to sow up (to the extent that is possible) NYC.

Pitt was just a joke and I really don't understand the defense for adding this program. BC should be taken out to the shed for pushing them down that path.

In order to really do this comparison properly you would have to remove conference revenues from the equation.

 

[mavblues]

I'm a because our fans don't get excited about playing UConn in football ?

No, that's not the reason. You get two more guesses, though.

 

[The Funster]

By taking Syracuse and Pitt, Swofford guaranteed he would weaken his football league without increasing his TV contract. In the same move, he pushed TCU and WVU into the Big 12, giving the Big 12 2 Top 15 programs and solidifying it as one of the players in college football.

The right move was to merge the ACC into the Big East, bust the ESPN deal and renegotiate with NBC as a package deal. Swofford, like many on this board, viewed the ACC's success as a zero sum game vis-a-vis the Big East. The Big East was not his problem, it was his solution.

Reason number one Swofford was "not ahead of the curve" as many said when he grabbed for Pitt and Syracuse. It was a defensive move that was made with very little thought of the future.

 

[uconndogs]

Wonder why Cuse fans don't get excited about playing UCONN?

Hmmm mm...........