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Conference Realignment: WAC/ASUN Football Only Conference

businesslawyer said:
You keep saying we'd be better off with options that don't exist. No one disagrees that what you want would be better. But we're going to be down to about 4 independents by next year, and we can't make other schools be independent.
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Yeah, I don't get what people don't understand. BYU, Liberty and New Mexico State are joining conferences. One of the independents, Notre Dame isn't really independent as far as their schedule flexibility. With conferences expanding their numbers it may get more difficult to schedule games later in the year.
 
businesslawyer said:
You keep saying we'd be better off with options that don't exist. No one disagrees that what you want would be better. But we're going to be down to about 4 independents by next year, and we can't make other schools be independent.
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noeynox said:
Yeah, I don't get what people don't understand. BYU, Liberty and New Mexico State are joining conferences. One of the independents, Notre Dame isn't really independent as far as their schedule flexibility. With conferences expanding their numbers it may get more difficult to schedule games later in the year.
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Army wrestling w/ the same predicament: 12/8/22 - Army ponders how long it can remain independent in football

-> The question considered at Army at the end of each season: Would moving to a conference and the chance at greater financial stability and exposure the program could use again be worth the loss of its independence?

“The realignment certainly gets your attention,” Army athletic director Mike Buddie said. “We weigh that option every year. We value our independence so much, it just hasn’t made sense for us up to this point. But the shifting tides of conference realignment, expanded college football playoff, all those things could play a factor in re-evaluating.” <-

-> “I like the fact that we are able to play a number of different teams each year and that the schedule changes,” he said. “We can play teams from all over the country and have the flexibility to play Power Five teams. I think there’s a value to that. But at some point, it may be unavoidable. For right now, I like where we’re at.” <-
 
I think football moving to a playoff system, even if its only top 12, and the expansion of the bowl framework is enabling this in some form. FCS/1AA was supposed to give something for these schools to play for. But they're forgoing this and doing this more and more? Something don't smell right. The bowl infrastructure can't keep expanding to accomodate it without bowls becoming purely meaningless.

Some weird sands are shifting.
 
Doi it. Do it.

Some folks are so hung up on the way it is today and revenue. Point is, change one thing, and who knows what chain of events ensues.

And what's so special about the MAC? Buffalo should want to get out of there heck maybe even Ohio or Miami would want to focus east instead of the B1G footprint. I think Buffalo would be smart to start associating with basketball schools and if the A-10 wasn't already standing room only...

UCONN
UMass
Buffalo
Temple
Rutgers
Syracuse
Pitt
Delaware
Maryland
Army
Navy
WVU
Va Tech
NC State
if they ask nicely
Cinci
L-Ville
BCU
 
Why are we dreaming up impossible scenarios? Maryland leaving the B1G? Not going to happen. Sure we could definitely see football only conferences. But I think it's far more likely to happen at the G5 level. And there's basically no reason the ACC is going to disband. They'll do what every conference does that loses members. Replace them. The only real exception could be the Pac-12. If the B1G dips back in it's very likely some other defect to the Big 12. But the ACC would have to lose so many members for it to disband. 8 schools aren't leaving that conference and getting into the B1G or the SEC.
 
Geography wont matter for a football only conference. It’s only 12 games a year and for any one school, 6 charters. So we do not need to be confined to the northeast. As an extreme, we could join the PAC for football, a flight is still a flight. Trucking the equipment is another story.
 
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Slasher said:
Why are we dreaming up impossible scenarios? Maryland leaving the B1G? Not going to happen. Sure we could definitely see football only conferences. But I think it's far more likely to happen at the G5 level. And there's basically no reason the ACC is going to disband. They'll do what every conference does that loses members. Replace them. The only real exception could be the Pac-12. If the B1G dips back in it's very likely some other defect to the Big 12. But the ACC would have to lose so many members for it to disband. 8 schools aren't leaving that conference and getting into the B1G or the SEC.
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Yeah I can't even read long posts of way out there scenarios. This isn't 2012 anymore. I wish the 3 independents weren't joining conferences, but they are. Independents should play each other layer in the year when conference games are in full swing.
 
PNolanFan said:
I just have no interest in a conference if it is worse than the american (this is way worse than the american). It was a disaster for our program, I would almost rather drop down then join that mess. For me it really comes down to moving up in the case of an ACC implosion or continuing as an independent
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I would say that the AAC was a disaster for our basketball programs and not our football program. The only thing that that was a disaster for our football team in the AAC was ourselves.
 
Stinger92860 said:
Geography wont matter for a football only conference. It’s only 12 games a year and for any one school, 6 charters. So we do not need to be confined to the northeast. As an extreme, we could join the PAC for football, a flight is still a flight. Trucking the equipment is another story.
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I didn't actually think about this. I was very hung up on the idea of needing a regional conference. I know it's far fetched but with UCLA and USC leaving and not too many enticing options to backfill with, exposure on the East Coast wouldn't be a bad thing.....
 
Slasher said:
Sure we could definitely see football only conferences. But I think it's far more likely to happen at the G5 level.
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This is the scenario that makes sense to me. For example C-USA's current configuration runs from Lynchburg to Las Cruces. For football that's no big deal, it's at most one trip a week. For everything else (including basketball) that's terrible. Why are they doing it? Well it's for an all-sports deal that is worth just a little more than an independent UConn got for football alone (mid-cycle where they were searching for one win a season). The money isn't there for the low G5s in particular.

Even the AAC based on their current split, the majority of their deal is in football. If they remained a football alliance schools like Temple would have an opportunity to find a more reasonable (or more traditional) home for basketball and the non-revenue sports. The A-10 would boost their basketball profile and provide them a better hoops conference than they'll have left after Houston and Cincinnati leave.
 
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UCFBfan said:
I would say that the AAC was a disaster for our basketball programs and not our football program. The only thing that that was a disaster for our football team in the AAC was ourselves.
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I don't know man, I had season tickets from season 1 till year 1 of Diaco. Yeah, we sucked, but it was a chore to go watch games against AAC opponents. It never felt that way against, Pitt, SU, RU etc. Probably just me though.
 
noeynox said:
I don't know man, I had season tickets from season 1 till year 1 of Diaco. Yeah, we sucked, but it was a chore to go watch games against AAC opponents. It never felt that way against, Pitt, SU, RU etc. Probably just me though.
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I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I'm just saying that playing those schools didn't do anything to harm our program. Our attendance plummeted because we were one of the worst programs in FBS. Coaching hurt our program, not the conference.
 
UCFBfan said:
I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I'm just saying that playing those schools didn't do anything to harm our program. Our attendance plummeted because we were one of the worst programs in FBS. Coaching hurt our program, not the conference.
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We had a couple lean years after Orlovsky left and attendance stayed relatively strong. But you're right, we became unwatchable.
 
To get back on topic: the press release included info that the league may add four schools in addition to the ten. If this passes through the NCAA, we will have 148 schools in the FBS. That is more than ever before. Not only that, what is to stop the top three leagues in FCS (CAA, Big Sky, and MVFC) to jump up as well?

At that point, we would have 183 schools in FBS football and 79 in FCS. What's the point?
 
shizzle787 said:
UConn
UMass
Army
Navy
Temple
USF
ECU
Memphis

Let’s get it done.
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That’s basically rejoining the original AAC with its 3 best teams missing. This board complained that fans wouldn’t attend these games the first time around, what’s changed?

UCONN’s best bet is to wait for The B1G and SEC to carve up The ACC and join some reconfigured version of the conference like it did Big East Football 2.0
 
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Don’t hold your breath waiting for the acc to come calling
 
Ldandy said:
That’s basically rejoining the original AAC with its 3 best teams missing. This board complained that fans wouldn’t attend these games the first time around, what’s changed?

UCONN’s best bet is to wait for The B1G and SEC to carve up The ACC and join some reconfigured version of the conference like it did Big East Football 2.0
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The issue with the American was more basketball than football. We got downgraded from the #1 league to the #7 league in basketball. Football went from #5 (ahead of the ACC) to #6. Also, the issue was playing teams like Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Memphis, and Houston that our fanbase has no interest in playing. Personally, our eyes should be on the ACC prize for 7/1/36.
With the exception of ECU and Memphis in my hypothetical league, the other five programs would absolutely drive attendance (Army, Navy, UMass, Temple, USF). Either way, I'm not holding my breath. Being independent for the next 13 season is fine with me as long as we don't go 12-0 one year and miss the playoff (don't think either would happen-but you never know).
 
shizzle787 said:
The issue with the American was more basketball than football. We got downgraded from the #1 league to the #7 league in basketball. Football went from #5 (ahead of the ACC) to #6. Also, the issue was playing teams like Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Memphis, and Houston that our fanbase has no interest in playing. Personally, our eyes should be on the ACC prize for 7/1/36.
With the exception of ECU and Memphis in my hypothetical league, the other five programs would absolutely drive attendance (Army, Navy, UMass, Temple, USF). Either way, I'm not holding my breath. Being independent for the next 13 season is fine with me as long as we don't go 12-0 one year and miss the playoff (don't think either would happen-but you never know).
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14 years down the line. Oh my.
 
noeynox said:
14 years down the line. Oh my.
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That is the most realistic time table though. The ACC grant of rights expires in 2036. At that point, it is likely UNC goes swimming in the SEC or B1G swimming pool.
 
The pressure on the ACC financial situation is intense right now and the gap with the Big 10 and SEC is going to continue to grow. Look at the coaching salary differences between conferences. I think something will happen with the ACC before the media contract is up.
 
Even if the acc lost schools… its far from a sure thing they would even invite us…
 
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If they join/build a conference worse than the AAC, what the duck was the point of continuing with football at all. I dont want to play UMass every year regardless of proximity. They are such a boring team in the middle of nowhere. Same with the rest of the teams in the Northeast. There is not one exciting match up anywhere near us. Penn State might be the closest team I'd be interested in playing. That is why independent status opens us up to teams all over the place and provides us with a cooler evwr changing schedule. And please stop it with Army and Navy. God bless em all, but I hate watching them play football.
 
UCFBfan said:
I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I'm just saying that playing those schools didn't do anything to harm our program. Our attendance plummeted because we were one of the worst programs in FBS. Coaching hurt our program, not the conference.
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Exactly. And though nobody will admit it, it was the same for basketball and honestly soccer too. When we were a national contender they drew remarkable crowds. You win, people show up. You don’t win, they don’t.
 
shizzle787 said:
That is the most realistic time table though. The ACC grant of rights expires in 2036. At that point, it is likely UNC goes swimming in the SEC or B1G swimming pool.
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The GOR ends then but at some point it is worth the money, or could be, to leave anyway. It might be with 5 years remaining or it might be with 10. And a fundamental rule of business is that virtually any contract can be bought out even if it says it can’t. Another one is that nobody wants a partner who doesn’t want to be there. That’s why nearly every league withdrawal ends up being settled early.
 
Moving to any conference with UMASS football is the death of the program. Stay independent until we get a golden ticket to ACC or B1G.
 
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