Conference Realignment: Birds of a feather flock together

[Kolumbo]

You're correct about Johns Hopkins. When I get some free time, I'd like to do a write-up about where I think the research strategies for UConn and the B1G mesh together.

Speaking of Johns Hopkins, B1G Lacrosse will have 6 teams including RU and MD. B1G hockey only has 6 members and soccer 7. Surprised about soccer although it gets bumped to 9 with RU and MD. Make the call Delaney and we'll bring quality to both sports.

 

[Cleanface]

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[Rappin'Rodney]

It is interesting but I'm skeptical about the process. Duke didn't select anyone either. Perhaps someone decided it wasn't worth the time to complete the survey.

I'm not certain why Duke's data is absent from the U.S. Department of Education survey, however, rest assured, universities (especially the larger ones) take these comparisons very seriously. When a university identifies its peer group(s), it enables that instituion to develop its strategic master plan for competing with its peers. This then allows the university to identify its current and future capital needs, and allows it to set its operating budget. In many instances universities are required by state law to identify peer groups.

I also think there would be a bias to select schools above you and perhaps not below you.

That's true. It's just the nature of competition. If you're planning for the future, and you want to be a better institution than you are today, then you want to identify whom you perceive as leading the pack (aspirational peers) and then develop a plan for catching up to them. In the meantime, you must also identify who's in the scrum in your immediate competitive vicinity in order to identify how well you're competing with them so that you don't fall behind.

The UNC Peer Study Overview from 2011 gives a good overview of how peer groups are defined, and how the overall process works.

 

[Calamitous]

It's true, we are a good fit. But then so are UVA, KS, Mizzou, UNC, GT, OK, TX, etc. I want to know someone is pulling for us when the plates start shifting again. FSU and Clemson wanted a school that was dumber than them and BC Cuse and PITT wanted a school that didn't embarrass them in the Northeast. So Louisville got the call to replace MD. All things being equal means you need someone on the inside to make a strong case on your behalf. We didn't have that with the ACC and got caught flat footed twice. So who will be our champion?

The way I see it, the only ACC schools that would pull for UConn are:

VT would be in UConn's court, as we share a common land grant lineage and Tech has to be getting tired of the rag-tag consortium of private, public ivy and commuter schools. UVa, UNC, Duke and Wake also wouldn't mind another NE presence with strong basketball and Olympic sports. Louisville would probably vote for UConn as they may understand what you're up against. And in a weird way, ND and Pitt might vote for UConn. So that's 7 to 8 schools that would vote for UConn IMO, but falls short of the 75% requisite vote (I think 75% is right???).

Schools against UConn (IMO) are BC, Syracuse, GT, Clemson, FSU and Miami. BC and SU will probably try to block UConn, as you are a threat to their region, recruiting, etc. Donna Shalala will have UM follow BC and SU, for no other reason than to keep the peace with their NE private school brothers. FSU and Clemson wouldn't want any team that doesn't dominate in football (no offense). FSU and Clemson will probably refuse to realize that UConn has football potential and pass on voting them in. GT may follow suit with FSU and Clemson, although GT may vote for UConn since they are more academic-minded and can see the potential of another top 60 academic school.

Hopefully, Miami will have the guts to think on their own and ignore the pleas of BC and SU. Also, maybe GT and Pitt will recognize the value bringing the total number of votes for UConn to 10 of 15. Personally, I have wanted WVU and UConn (NEED REAL STATE SCHOOLS) since this whole mess started, but WVU is tied up in the B12's GOR and the ACC is tied up in the hopes that ND will come as 15 before they grab #16.

 

[Kolumbo]

The way I see it, the only ACC schools that would pull for UConn are:

VT would be in UConn's court, as we share a common land grant lineage and Tech has to be getting tired of the rag-tag consortium of private, public ivy and commuter schools. UVa, UNC, Duke and Wake also wouldn't mind another NE presence with strong basketball and Olympic sports. Louisville would probably vote for UConn as they may understand what you're up against. And in a weird way, ND and Pitt might vote for UConn. So that's 7 to 8 schools that would vote for UConn IMO, but falls short of the 75% requisite vote (I think 75% is right???).

Schools against UConn (IMO) are BC, Syracuse, GT, Clemson, FSU and Miami. BC and SU will probably try to block UConn, as you are a threat to their region, recruiting, etc. Donna Shalala will have UM follow BC and SU, for no other reason than to keep the peace with their NE private school brothers. FSU and Clemson wouldn't want any team that doesn't dominate in football (no offense). FSU and Clemson will probably refuse to realize that UConn has football potential and pass on voting them in. GT may follow suit with FSU and Clemson, although GT may vote for UConn since they are more academic-minded and can see the potential of another top 60 academic school.

Hopefully, Miami will have the guts to think on their own and ignore the pleas of BC and SU. Also, maybe GT and Pitt will recognize the value bringing the total number of votes for UConn to 10 of 15. Personally, I have wanted WVU and UConn (NEED REAL STATE SCHOOLS) since this whole mess started, but WVU is tied up in the B12's GOR and the ACC is tied up in the hopes that ND will come as 15 before they grab #16.

ACC? No no no no no....

 

[Gampeltiles]

ACC? No no no no no....

YES, yes, yes.............Didn't you have a "safety school" when you were applying for college? That B1G invite may never come, or it may come when a nurse's aid is spoon feeding some of us strained beets at the rest home.

The ACC is not exactly a layup either. I have zero doubt that UCONN would accept an ACC invite in a NEW YORK minute.

 

[Kolumbo]

YES, yes, yes...Didn't you have a "safety school" when you were applying for college? That B1G invite may never come, or it may come when a nurse's aid is spoon feeding some of us strained beets at the rest home.

The ACC is not exactly a layup either. I have zero doubt that UCONN would accept an ACC invite in a NEW YORK minute.

I attended my safety school.
Hey, UCONN will jump to the ACC no question. I have personally hated the ACC for so long, and after being snubbed several times, it would make me sick for a while. I suppose the silver lining would be beating up on BC over and over and over again.

 

[pj]

@dayooper is right. With Michigan, it's an "academic" vote.

UConn may not be a research powerhouse, but it brings B1G conference into New England which is the nation's research powerhouse (Harvard, Yale, MIT, Brown, etc). Increasing the league's mindshare in New England may pay benefits for B1G research projects.

 

[Ldandy]

To Calamitous. What are your feelings on The B1G? As a PSU alum VPI would be my first choice followed by UCONN. I think the potential for an excellent football rivalry could blossom between our schools, that never happened for us with MSU, can't with OSU, and likely never will with RU or UMD. Personally I think that VPI meshes much better with the rest of The B1G than their Wahoo Neighbors.

 

[Rappin'Rodney]

To Calamitous. What are your feelings on The B1G? As a PSU alum VPI would be my first choice followed by UCONN. I think the potential for an excellent football rivalry could blossom between our schools, that never happened for us with MSU, can't with OSU, and likely never will with RU or UMD. Personally I think that VPI meshes much better with the rest of The B1G than their Wahoo Neighbors.

+1 I think VPI's greater emphasis on Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM) is better suited to The B1G than UVA. UConn and Virgina Tech's approach to achieving AAU status is very similar: first, identify which research program(s) should comprise the university's core competency. Then, fund those programs generously so that you can be the very best in those fields, and ultimately, be admitted into the AAU as a result of that focus. In UConn's case, the capital outlays for the programs in question were made in the last few years, so UConn had the luxury of starting from scratch. In VPI's case, the university's Strategic Plan clearly says that the university's leadership team is ready and willing to axe whole research programs in which the university believes it has little likelihood of being the leader in those particular fields. In short, the prevailing wisdom of the day seems to be that it's rather disadvantageous to be a jack of all trades and a master of none.

 

[Calamitous]

To Calamitous. What are your feelings on The B1G? As a PSU alum VPI would be my first choice followed by UCONN. I think the potential for an excellent football rivalry could blossom between our schools, that never happened for us with MSU, can't with OSU, and likely never will with RU or UMD. Personally I think that VPI meshes much better with the rest of The B1G than their Wahoo Neighbors.

Both UConn and Tech are natural fits to the B1G. Both are on the cusp of achieving AAU status and both are tier one (top 100) schools per USNWR (57=UConn, 69=Tech). UConn's only real choices are the B1G and ACC, but feel the B1G fits them better as long as the B1G can get past their contiguous state rule. Tech's choices are to stay where we are or move to the SEC or B1G.

I agree that PSU desperately needs a good football rival and Tech would provide that more so than UVa or UNC. On a personal note, I'd rather see Tech in the B1G than with the private/public ivy/city commuter schools of the ACC, and would love to see UConn and Tech be #s 15 and 16. I always thought Tech and PSU shared similar values and would develop a good rivalry. UConn shares similar values with PSU as well, and given time in the B1G, would develop a big time football program giving PSU yet another good rival.

The SEC has the same amount of travel for Tech as the B1G would have, but Tech isn't as much of a southern school as the typical SEC school. Not sure if SEC fans will appreciate 25 degree night games in November with occasional snow. UConn's travel will be significant as an outlier, but greatly different than PSU, RU, MD and Tech. PSU, MD, RU, UConn and Tech make a tidy 5 team pod/division if the B1G goes to 20 some day. Maybe the B1G snags Texas, Oklahoma (not AAU), Kansas and Iowa State (along with UConn and one ACC mid Atlantic school) to get to 20.

 

[Calamitous]

+1 I think VPI's greater emphasis on Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM) is better suited to The B1G than UVA. UConn and Virgina Tech's approach to achieving AAU status is very similar: first, identify which research program(s) should comprise the university's core competency. Then, fund those programs generously so that you can be the very best in those fields, and ultimately, be admitted into the AAU as a result of that focus. In UConn's case, the capital outlays for the programs in question were made in the last few years, so UConn had the luxury of starting from scratch. In VPI's case, the university's Strategic Plan clearly says that the university's leadership team is ready and willing to axe whole research programs in which the university believes it has little likelihood of being the leader in those particular fields. In short, the prevailing wisdom of the day seems to be that it's rather disadvantageous to be a jack of all trades and a master of none.

Tech's President Sands is already making the move to have more PhDs and more international students/grad students. UConn is achieving the same exact thing. The B1G has to really be keeping their eye on UConn. At least with UConn, your athletics are superior. The B1G may whiff on Tech and go for UVa based on overall athletic performance. Sans football, Tech athletics aren't anything special. Once Beamer retires, Tech may be just like Rutgers and not as good as Maryland. I will say that women's soccer is getting better and wrestling is OK. T&F is above average and swimming is gaining momentum. Basketball stinks at Tech, but I think everyone knows that

 

[FDNY99]

I think your primary connections are with Northwestern and Michigan (Susan, Warde).

With any luck you might get a nod from Michigan president Mark Schlissel, former provost at Brown University.

Being a member of Universitas 21 with Ohio State, Maryland and Virginia sets up another avenue for UCONN in the B1G (http://www.universitas21.com/member)

 

[NickyNewark]

I wonder whats happened the last few years at VT...they've seemed to decline in FB and the buzz seems to have dissappeared? Like BC and Miami what happens after the 1st few yrs down there in FB? I hear very little to nothing in the last couple of yrs on VT! Even in the bowl win over RU 7-6 both teams looked anemic!?! Is Beamer just getting too old or are you losing AC's that were good recruiters?Seems UVa is getting a small buzz now and that don't seem right.

 

[Cleanface]

B1G would much rather have UVA than VT, and it's not even close.

 

[NickyNewark]

I feel the same way. I think the old big state schools are more in the B1G model and better rounded. VT got a big break from their governor to move as far and fast as they did but no disrespect to VT. Their just more suited for conferences not like the B1G or PAC IMO! I think that their in the right fit(ACC) already for them.

 

[Ldandy]

Personally I think VPI is similar to more B1G Schools than UVA. Their emphasis on engineering and other sciences seems comparable to schools like PSU, Illinois or Purdue, while UVA's strong liberal arts lean would make them somewhat of an outlier. Ultimately it matters little as the B1G may never agree on a school like VPI, and UVA may never want to leave it's cozy home in The ACC.

 

[Calamitous]

I wonder whats happened the last few years at VT...they've seemed to decline in FB and the buzz seems to have dissappeared? Like BC and Miami what happens after the 1st few yrs down there in FB? I hear very little to nothing in the last couple of yrs on VT! Even in the bowl win over RU 7-6 both teams looked anemic!?! Is Beamer just getting too old or are you losing AC's that were good recruiters?Seems UVa is getting a small buzz now and that don't seem right.

It's the same thing that happened to Bobby Bowden, Mack Brown and Joe Pa. Although Joe Pa. somehow found a bit of a resurgence when everyone was counting him out. These high profile coaches (some which are even legends) start to get complacent and then get used by younger rival coaches. Urban Meyer stole the best players in Florida from Bowden; Art Briles and Kevin Sumlin had a lot to do with Mack Brown's retirement; and Joe Pa was invaded my Ohio State, Michigan and a bunch of SEC schools toward his later years. I'm sure the younger coaches used the old line that "Coach <<insert name>> is going to retire soon... do you really want to play for that school after coach <<insert name>> is gone?" As for Beamer, he is losing the battle in his own state with all the big name southeastern schools (mostly SEC, but Clemson and FSU too). Mike London at UVa is in his final year and UVa's buzz (if they ever had one) is just about gone. Dabo Swinny seems to have the real pulse on Virginia now. Tech and Beamer are fading. It wouldn't surprise me if Tech has a losing season here soon. I've enjoyed the past 20 years though... better than the 80s when I was there.

 

[Calamitous]

I feel the same way. I think the old big state schools are more in the B1G model and better rounded. VT got a big break from their governor to move as far and fast as they did but no disrespect to VT. Their just more suited for conferences not like the B1G or PAC IMO! I think that their in the right fit(ACC) already for them.

It's extremely apparent that the B1G treasures large flagship or land grant schools. Some schools appear to have 50K, 60K and even 90K students like PSU... but I believe that number represents the State College's system and not just the flagship campus. The names that seem popular when talking B1G expansion are Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia Tech (not LG or FS). All those schools listed are smaller than Virginia Tech except for Texas and all smaller than UConn except for Texas and Oklahoma (by a few hundred students). UConn is ranked #57 and Tech #69 which both fit well with the B1G. Both are land grant schools. Both are well on target to have AAU status within the decade. So I respectfully disagree that VT is better suited culturally with the private and public ivy schools of the ACC, but agree whole-heartedly that Tech fits perfectly in the geographic footprint of the ACC. A matter of fact. Tech is almost the exact geographic center of that conference.

I think UConn gets a serious look by the B1G. Tech is not on the B1G's radar at all, from what I can tell. The B1G wants the "Thomas Jefferson" affect in their conference. Thus the big push for UVa. Michigan and Northwestern would love to have UVa as a partner. However, UVa goes only if UNC goes with them as a package. It could happen, but the timing and situation have to be perfect for that to happen. Georgia Tech is more about grabbing the Atlanta market. If UVa and UNC leave for the B1G someday, GT will want to go to the B1G too.

Back to UConn. I think the only things holding up the B1G from inviting UConn right now are uneven number of members (not that this ever occurred in the B1G from 1990 to 2011), geographic contiguity and AAU status. If the b1G can convince one other school to come along with UConn and get over themselves on geographic contiguity, then I think UConn is in. But if they drag their feet too long, the ACC may come calling. So my question to Huskie fans: would UConn take an ACC invite?

 

[Calamitous]

Personally I think VPI is similar to more B1G Schools than UVA. Their emphasis on engineering and other sciences seems comparable to schools like PSU, Illinois or Purdue, while UVA's strong liberal arts lean would make them somewhat of an outlier. Ultimately it matters little as the B1G may never agree on a school like VPI, and UVA may never want to leave it's cozy home in The ACC.

Exactly right. But I do think any conference would want UVa (liberal arts lean or not) from a revenue and popularity standpoint.

 

[Adios]

It's extremely apparent that the B1G treasures large flagship or land grant schools. Some schools appear to have 50K, 60K and even 90K students like PSU... but I believe that number represents the State College's system and not just the flagship campus. The names that seem popular when talking B1G expansion are Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia Tech (not LG or FS). All those schools listed are smaller than Virginia Tech except for Texas and all smaller than UConn except for Texas and Oklahoma (by a few hundred students). UConn is ranked #57 and Tech #69 which both fit well with the B1G. Both are land grant schools. Both are well on target to have AAU status within the decade. So I respectfully disagree that VT is better suited culturally with the private and public ivy schools of the ACC, but agree whole-heartedly that Tech fits perfectly in the geographic footprint of the ACC. A matter of fact. Tech is almost the exact geographic center of that conference.

I think UConn gets a serious look by the B1G. Tech is not on the B1G's radar at all, from what I can tell. The B1G wants the "Thomas Jefferson" affect in their conference. Thus the big push for UVa. Michigan and Northwestern would love to have UVa as a partner. However, UVa goes only if UNC goes with them as a package. It could happen, but the timing and situation have to be perfect for that to happen. Georgia Tech is more about grabbing the Atlanta market. If UVa and UNC leave for the B1G someday, GT will want to go to the B1G too.

Back to UConn. I think the only things holding up the B1G from inviting UConn right now are uneven number of members (not that this ever occurred in the B1G from 1990 to 2011), geographic contiguity and AAU status. If the b1G can convince one other school to come along with UConn and get over themselves on geographic contiguity, then I think UConn is in. But if they drag their feet too long, the ACC may come calling. So my question to Huskie fans: would UConn take an ACC invite?

It's as if the B1G can expand either along the east coast or expand in the central US. I think UConn + Kansas + Oklahoma + Texas > UConn + Virginia + North Carolina + Georgia Tech. Unless you don't care about football. I also have the impression UNC and Duke are a package deal.

 

[Calamitous]

It's as if the B1G can expand either along the east coast or expand in the central US. I think UConn + Kansas + Oklahoma + Texas > UConn + Virginia + North Carolina + Georgia Tech. Unless you don't care about football. I also have the impression UNC and Duke are a package deal.

Texas and Oklahoma, served by a bridge from Kansas, is what Delany should focus on the most. Delany needs to watch what Slive does. Slive and the SEC don't really think markets, but think rivalries and good football. And in the end, this whole CR mess is about football. Plus, UT and KU are both tier 1 AAU schools and OU is a good school (but not AAU). Problem is, OU talks about the PAC more so than the SEC and B1G. Texas only talks about themselves. Kansas is probably just waiting for the GOR to end before they leave for the B1G. So if the B1G adds those 3, who would be #18?

 

[NickyNewark]

It's extremely apparent that the B1G treasures large flagship or land grant schools. Some schools appear to have 50K, 60K and even 90K students like PSU... but I believe that number represents the State College's system and not just the flagship campus. The names that seem popular when talking B1G expansion are Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia Tech (not LG or FS). All those schools listed are smaller than Virginia Tech except for Texas and all smaller than UConn except for Texas and Oklahoma (by a few hundred students). UConn is ranked #57 and Tech #69 which both fit well with the B1G. Both are land grant schools. Both are well on target to have AAU status within the decade. So I respectfully disagree that VT is better suited culturally with the private and public ivy schools of the ACC, but agree whole-heartedly that Tech fits perfectly in the geographic footprint of the ACC. A matter of fact. Tech is almost the exact geographic center of that conference.

I think UConn gets a serious look by the B1G. Tech is not on the B1G's radar at all, from what I can tell. The B1G wants the "Thomas Jefferson" affect in their conference. Thus the big push for UVa. Michigan and Northwestern would love to have UVa as a partner. However, UVa goes only if UNC goes with them as a package. It could happen, but the timing and situation have to be perfect for that to happen. Georgia Tech is more about grabbing the Atlanta market. If UVa and UNC leave for the B1G someday, GT will want to go to the B1G too.

Back to UConn. I think the only things holding up the B1G from inviting UConn right now are uneven number of members (not that this ever occurred in the B1G from 1990 to 2011), geographic contiguity and AAU status. If the b1G can convince one other school to come along with UConn and get over themselves on geographic contiguity, then I think UConn is in. But if they drag their feet too long, the ACC may come calling. So my question to Huskie fans: would UConn take an ACC invite?

I like you're answers and tend to agree with much of what you say. If you're a representative of the typical VT fans they will be fine. As far a UConn it seems the great majority like myself(RU fan) are disappointed in the way the ACC leadership have handled PR here in the NE in CR with some baffling moves and a few of you're southern posters reinforced(at least to me) the arrogant vibe the FB schools(even bstimpy a Cav fan) seem to have!?! VT is one school that seems to carry themselves well though IMO. I'm now convinced to a degree they might be a good fit(paired with UConn) instead of Va/NC in the B1G!?!

 

[Calamitous]

I like you're answers and tend to agree with much of what you say. If you're a representative of the typical VT fans they will be fine. As far a UConn it seems the great majority like myself(RU fan) are disappointed in the way the ACC leadership have handled PR here in the NE in CR with some baffling moves and a few of you're southern posters reinforced(at least to me) the arrogant vibe the FB schools(even bstimpy a Cav fan) seem to have!?! VT is one school that seems to carry themselves well though IMO. I'm now convinced to a degree they might be a good fit in the B1G!?!

I think most ACC schools are arrogant (including Tech) that really have no reason to be. I get UVa... they're top notch academically and harp on TJ every chance they get. UNC and Duke are proven winners in basketball and some Olympic sports... so I get them. FSU and Miami (even though Miami stinks now) are among football royalty... and I get them too. I don't count ND yet as they aren't real members in their new Big East-like set-up. But the rest are arrogant without a cause, including quite a few Hokie fans. I feel the same way about B1G fans too. I guess when it comes right down to it, you'll get that everywhere. But I feel the PAC fans are much more centered than the rest of the other conferences. Maybe it's the hang loose west coast attitude.

As for Tech being a good fit (that's just what I want). 90% of Tech fans want to stay in the ACC or join the SEC. UConn fans are probably 90% for the B1G and the rest reluctantly wanting an ACC invite (from my short time on this board). I really hope UConn gets a nod from the B1G over the ACC, because it seems most Huskies want that. Although I'd love UConn and WVU in the ACC just to even the number of land grant/flagship schools to the private and public ivy ones.

 

[NickyNewark]

I think most ACC schools are arrogant (including Tech) that really have no reason to be. I get UVa... they're top notch academically and harp on TJ every chance they get. UNC and Duke are proven winners in basketball and some Olympic sports... so I get them. FSU and Miami (even though Miami stinks now) are among football royalty... and I get them too. I don't count ND yet as they aren't real members in their new Big East-like set-up. But the rest are arrogant without a cause, including quite a few Hokie fans. I feel the same way about B1G fans too. I guess when it comes right down to it, you'll get that everywhere. But I feel the PAC fans are much more centered than the rest of the other conferences. Maybe it's the hang loose west coast attitude.

As for Tech being a good fit (that's just what I want). 90% of Tech fans want to stay in the ACC or join the SEC. UConn fans are probably 90% for the B1G and the rest reluctantly wanting an ACC invite (from my short time on this board). I really hope UConn gets a nod from the B1G over the ACC, because it seems most Huskies want that. Although I'd love UConn and WVU in the ACC just to even the number of land grant/flagship schools to the private and public ivy ones.

I agree on esp WVU where my nephew is an "02" grad...imagine even here in the NE were mad about the snubbing of WVU but NOT L'ville? L'ville fans like RU fans but so do WVU fans like the "hillbilly/guido" games lol and miss them but that was a TERRIBLE decision by you're conference leadership and leaving this gap in NYC metro where us and UConn could have locked it up really was a head scratcher up here!?! L'ville tried supplanting WVU to the Big12 and it almost worked!! Wheres this influence coming from in Ky? Ive heard the ACC knew what was going on with re to RU and the B1G and tried to rally ahead of the curve with the Pitt/SU move but UConn/SU would at least have made sense but Pitt? Somethings wrong with that picture up here to reasonable fans!?! Now I actually like Pitt and their fans but intellectually the move seemed ridiculously dumb to us. So much so that many have lost any respect we might have felt for the ACC!! VT may have some arrogant fans but I've yet to meet one.

 

[Calamitous]

I agree on esp WVU where my nephew is an "02" grad...imagine even here in the NE were mad about the snubbing of WVU but NOT L'ville? L'ville fans like RU fans but so do WVU fans like the "hillbilly/guido" games lol and miss them but that was a TERRIBLE decision by you're conference leadership and leaving this gap in NYC metro where us and UConn could have locked it up really was a head scratcher up here!?! L'ville tried supplanting WVU to the Big12 and it almost worked!! Wheres this influence coming from in Ky? Ive heard the ACC knew what was going on with re to RU and the B1G and tried to rally ahead of the curve with the Pitt/SU move but UConn/SU would at least have made sense but Pitt? Somethings wrong with that picture up here to reasonable fans!?! Now I actually like Pitt and their fans but intellectually the move seemed ridiculously dumb to us. So much so that many have lost any respect we might have felt for the ACC!! VT may have some arrogant fans but I've yet to meet one.

The ACC likes living in the past I think. They probably still think Tony Dorsett and Dan Marino play for Pitt . In all seriousness, I would have liked the Pitt move had WVU been a part of that package. Back when SU and Pitt were added, WVU was never considered due to "poor academics." Ironically, Louisville is RIGHT THERE academically with WVU (within a few spots in the 160s per USNWR). So adding UL was a slap in the face to WVU IMO. FWIW, I think WVU is a good school, because they hold the most true to the land grant mission than any land grant university in the nation.

And if the ACC had the foresight like the SEC and thought in terms of rivalries, WVU-Pitt-VT-UMCP would have been perfect in a division together with common (sometime hated) rivalries. That makes for good TV. Yes, less cable subscribers, but more passionate and entertaining games. That's the SEC model and it works very well.

I think the ACC added Syracuse because they were afraid of losing them (and NYC) to the B1G. Then SU probably brokered the deal to make Pitt a package deal with them. After that, ND came along for the ride and the rest just smells like Mike Tranghese... I meant is history. The joke was on the ACC as Rutgers is more NYC than any P5 school in the country. After that, I dare say UConn has as much NYC presence as Syracuse.

 

[Adios]

Problem is, OU talks about the PAC more so than the SEC and B1G. Texas only talks about themselves. Kansas is probably just waiting for the GOR to end before they leave for the B1G. So if the B1G adds those 3, who would be #18?

The only two options I can think of are UConn and UVA. We'd deliver New England on a silver platter.

 

[Calamitous]

The only two options I can think of are UConn and UVA. We'd deliver New England on a silver platter.

Expand Rentschler Field to 60K+ and gain AAU status and you're there. You might be there anyway based on your good academics, strong athletics and New England/NYC market. UVa is a looooooong shot unless UNC comes along, which means Duke will have to come along. Losing those 3 means the ACC just imploded. That may never happen... at least not until 2026. So UConn is a no-brainer to me.

 

[NickyNewark]

The ACC likes living in the past I think. They probably still think Tony Dorsett and Dan Marino play for Pitt . In all seriousness, I would have liked the Pitt move had WVU been a part of that package. Back when SU and Pitt were added, WVU was never considered due to "poor academics." Ironically, Louisville is RIGHT THERE academically with WVU (within a few spots in the 160s per USNWR). So adding UL was a slap in the face to WVU IMO. FWIW, I think WVU is a good school, because they hold the most true to the land grant mission than any land grant university in the nation.

And if the ACC had the foresight like the SEC and thought in terms of rivalries, WVU-Pitt-VT-UMCP would have been perfect in a division together with common (sometime hated) rivalries. That makes for good TV. Yes, less cable subscribers, but more passionate and entertaining games. That's the SEC model and it works very well.

I think the ACC added Syracuse because they were afraid of losing them (and NYC) to the B1G. Then SU probably brokered the deal to make Pitt a package deal with them. After that, ND came along for the ride and the rest just smells like Mike Tranghese... I meant is history. The joke was on the ACC as Rutgers is more NYC than any P5 school in the country. After that, I dare say UConn has as much NYC presence as Syracuse.

Why didn't the ACC hire you? You seem to know more about the NE than the boys in North Carolina do! Are you an expatriate of NYC metro? You think like one and the ACC could've benefitted from someone with you're awareness of the NE!

 

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Why didn't the ACC hire you? You seem to know more about the NE than the boys in North Carolina do! Are you an expatriate of NYC metro? You think like one and the ACC could've benefitted from someone with you're awareness of the NE!

I was born in Virginia, but my parents are Connecticut Yankees (Norwich and Groton CT). Never really was a good ol' southern boy.