Committee Reveal. # 2

[Darwin]

You are probably correct.

If Indiana loses today it shouldn’t matter. If they loses today AND lose again in the Big 10 tournament, it could drop them from 2 but probably not out of the top 4/5.

In the interesting but unimportant trivia category is this: Indiana gave South Carolina it’s last “ unavenged” loss ( in 2019).

Good point. That SC team was 32-1 at seasons end and unanimous #1 before tourney was cancelled for Covid. IU beat SC convincingly in the early season tourney in the Virgin Islands. Would be an intriguing game if those two were to meet in the NCAA’s. Both Boston and Holmes were freshman in their last matchup.

 

[Darwin]

Don’t forget Utah

 

[visitingcock]

Texas is firing on all cylinders right now, watch out for that team, bracket buster type team that will probably make a run in the tourney.

I would add that Vic has a proven record of being able to achieve in the tournament. One might say he has overachieved.

 

[Darwin]

I would add that Vic has a proven record of being able to achieve in the tournament. One might say he has overachieved.

Two things I think I know right now….if I am a coach with a top 1 seed In the NCAA tourney, I don’t want Texas or MD in my bracket and I still don’t want Stanford as the other #1 on my side of the bracket.

Texas will likely win the B12, they are starting to play really good, Vic knows how to coach of course. I think Stanford will win the PAC12 still, they have the most talent and experience over there. I am not sure who wins the B1G tournament, but IU probably does not fall below a 4 spot, even if they lose today at Iowa, which I think could happen.

 

[southie]

Well you could easily say the same thing about Indiana losing to (15-13) Michigan St. and Stanford losing to (15-13) Washington. Both of those teams lost to teams that most likely won’t make the NCAA’s and even though Indiana’s was without Berger, MD’s 25 point loss to SC was without Miller and it was their 2nd game of the season with a relatively new squad.

If MD wins the Big10 tourney, they are definitely one of the teams deserving of the last 1 seed… unless Utah wins the Pac10 tourney. VA Tech beating multiple ranked teams and winning the ACC tourney would be interesting too.

One bad loss versus two bad losses is a big difference for teams vying for a #1 seed. When you compare apples to apples, the difference is clear.

Most likely, the reason Maryland is NOT a #1 seed (as of last Thursday) is because they have twice as many bad losses as Indiana and Stanford. Pretty simple.

 

[southie]

Texas is firing on all cylinders right now, watch out for that team, bracket buster type team that will probably make a run in the tourney.

Getting there. Been without leading scorer senior starter Sonya Morris for the last 5 games or so. But, yesterday's 22 point win at Oklahoma to surge in front for the conference title is a really good sign that the other players have stepped it up trying not to miss a step without her. Once she returns, that's when I think Texas can really kick it up another notch come post-season play.

 

[visitingcock]

Texas will be somewhere in the 20-25 spot in my BY Poll ballot tomorrow which is based strictly on NET wins minus losses. They have 6 Quad 1 wins and 7 losses for a score of -1. They will be at the low end of the teams with a minus 1 score because 1 of their 7 losses was to a Quad 2 team.

I expect them to be closer to a Top 16 after there conference tourney where they should pick up two Quad One wins. I think they will end up an Elite Eight team again in the NCAA tourney. Could they win at that level on Vic’s third Texas try? We’ll see . . .

 

[LowkeyX]

One bad loss versus two bad losses is a big difference for teams vying for a #1 seed. When you compare apples to apples, the difference is clear.

Most likely, the reason Maryland is NOT a #1 seed (as of last Thursday) is because they have twice as many bad losses as Indiana and Stanford. Pretty simple.

Regardless, the committee looks at the whole body of work & MD has 7 top 25 wins. So as I said before if they win the BIG tourney & presumably pick up 2 more Top 25 wins they will certainly be in the conversation for a 1 seed.

In a season full of parity (outside of SC), 2 bad losses, especially in the first 2 months of the season as @GCKSFN4L pointed out, ultimately is trumped by a combination of a team’s recent success against high level competition, upward trend & the overall resume. This is clearly evidenced in the the latest reveal. This is also why if Indiana & Stanford get upset in the quarterfinals of their respective conf tourneys, although that’ll most likely be their “2nd bad loss”, they’ll most certainly still be a 1 seed in the NCAA’s.

The only 1 seed up for actual grabs is the fourth one.

 

[LowkeyX]

Texas will be somewhere in the 20-25 spot in my BY Poll ballot tomorrow which is based strictly on NET wins minus losses. They have 6 Quad 1 wins and 7 losses for a score of -1. They will be at the low end of the teams with a minus 1 score because 1 of their 7 losses was to a Quad 2 team.

I expect them to be closer to a Top 16 after there conference tourney where they should pick up two Quad One wins. I think they will end up an Elite Eight team again in the NCAA tourney. Could they win at that level on Vic’s third Texas try? We’ll see . . .

This is one of the hardest BY polls to figure out with all the losses. I’m bumping Villanova & Texas up considerably since a few teams I had above them suffered losses. I think both teams will rise 3-4 spots in the AP poll too. This season has been awesome as a fan to watch.

 

[visitingcock]

Regardless, the committee looks at the whole body of work & MD has 7 top 25 wins. So as I said before if they win the BIG tourney & presumably pick up 2 more Top 25 wins they will certainly be in the conversation for a 1 seed.

In a season full of parity (outside of SC), 2 bad losses, especially in the first 2 months of the season as @GCKSFN4L pointed out, ultimately is trumped by a combination of a team’s recent success against high level competition, upward trend & the overall resume. This is clearly evidenced in the the latest reveal. This is also why if Indiana & Stanford get upset in the quarterfinals of their respective conf tourneys, although that’ll most likely be their “2nd bad loss”, they’ll most certainly still be a 1 seed in the NCAA’s.

The only 1 seed up for actual grabs is the fourth one.

Maryland has 10 Quad Ine wins. They have 3 quad one losses. However, they also have two quad two losses. That still laves them with netting 5 more Quad one wins than total losses. That’s good, it five teams have more than 8 more wins than losses. Also, VaTech has a (9-4) record with all losses being to Quad one teams.

BUT

Apparently the men’s committee does look at quad records but the women’s committee does not. Therefore, who can predict. I think they need to beat media darling Iowa again and Indiana in the tourney to have any shot at a top 4 seed

 

[JellyBean]

I just can't wait for Selection Sunday!

 

[visitingcock]

I just can't wait for Selection Sunday!

whats the max number of games for y'all in the BE tourney?

 

[toadfoot]

I do think how a team finishes the season should have bearing on their tournament seeding. Games in November aren't indicative of a team's level of play compared to games played in February. UCONN is in an interesting predicament IMO. On one hand, they have some strong wins (Texas, Duke, Iowa), but those were largely anchored by massive performances from Azzi Fudd who hasn't really played in 3 months. The UCONN team as of late is a borderline top 25 squad. They've lost to 2 unranked foes and nearly lost to 2 others in their past 6 games. If I'm on the committee, I think it's hard to justify them as a 2 seed when their only top 25 win without Fudd is vs. Villanova and they're stumbling as the regular season is finishing up.

I think you’ve seriously misunderstood what’s transpired with UConn’s season. With a healthy Fudd they will be a tough out for anyone but even without her they have the potential to be a difficult opponent against even the best, as they showed against South Carolina. The notion that they’re a borderline top 25 ignores the reasons why they’ve struggled recently and it’s not due to a lack of talent, it’s due to the fact that on top of the injuries they played 15 games in 6 weeks, many with only 7 available players and even then 2 had few if any minutes. The fact is that the starting 5 were both physically and mentally exhausted from that stretch of games. Even without Fudd a more rested starting 5, especially with Ducharme back is way better than a borderline top 25 team.