Columbia Post Game Thread

[Mr. French]

In Murphy v. Steeplechase Amusement Park (1929), Benjamin Cardozo, J. provided ample reasoned counsel for one to neither visit the Chat during games, nor bring its contents to the Forum:

"Volenti non fit injuria. One who takes part in such a sport accepts the dangers that inhere in it so far as they are obvious and necessary, just as a fencer accepts the risk of a thrust by his antagonist or a spectator at a ball game the chance of contact with the ball (Pollock, Torts [11th ed.], p. 171; Lumsden v. Thompson Scenic Ry. Co., supra; Godfrey v. Conn. Co., 98 Conn. 63). The antics of the clown are not the paces of the cloistered cleric. The rough and boisterous joke, the horseplay of the crowd, evokes its own guffaws, but they are not the pleasures of tranquillity. The plaintiff was not seeking a retreat for meditation. Visitors were tumbling about the belt to the merriment of onlookers when he made his choice to join them. He took the chance of a like fate, with whatever damage to his body might ensue from such a fall. The timorous may stay at home." (Emphasis added)

Yeah but what did Cardozo know about ball?

 

[navery12]

I will start out by saying it's obvious that Ross and Stewart need to and will have big roles even after Mullins comes back. But it's pretty comical that certain unnamed posters have decided to ignore Stewart's 2 very good games to start the year to focus on his one bad game that happened to coincide with Ross' best game, while ignoring that Ross has an equally bad game. Just an interesting agenda being spun

 

[Gurleyman]

So there were 7 total deadball rebounds in the whole game? Am I reading that right? Because then there are still many unaccounted for missed shots.

Correct - we missed 33 shots (23 FG and 10 FT) and we had 7 offensive rebounds, Columbia had 21 defensive rebounds - and we had 5 offensive deadball rebounds (mostly missed FTs on 1st of 2).

(The three point misses are a subset of the FG misses … and not in addition to)

 

[RedStickHusky]

In Murphy v. Steeplechase Amusement Park (1929), Benjamin Cardozo, J. provided ample reasoned counsel for one to neither visit the Chat during games, nor bring its contents to the Forum:

"Volenti non fit injuria. One who takes part in such a sport accepts the dangers that inhere in it so far as they are obvious and necessary, just as a fencer accepts the risk of a thrust by his antagonist or a spectator at a ball game the chance of contact with the ball (Pollock, Torts [11th ed.], p. 171; Lumsden v. Thompson Scenic Ry. Co., supra; Godfrey v. Conn. Co., 98 Conn. 63). The antics of the clown are not the paces of the cloistered cleric. The rough and boisterous joke, the horseplay of the crowd, evokes its own guffaws, but they are not the pleasures of tranquillity. The plaintiff was not seeking a retreat for meditation. Visitors were tumbling about the belt to the merriment of onlookers when he made his choice to join them. He took the chance of a like fate, with whatever damage to his body might ensue from such a fall. The timorous may stay at home." (Emphasis added)

It's rare that I am reduced to thinking I like a post, but here we are...

 

[aceboon]

I will start out by saying it's obvious that Ross and Stewart need to and will have big roles even after Mullins comes back. But it's pretty comical that certain unnamed posters have decided to ignore Stewart's 2 very good games to start the year to focus on his one bad game that happened to coincide with Ross' best game, while ignoring that Ross has an equally bad game. Just an interesting agenda being spun

I think Stew was averaging 10 & 4 assists the first two games, don't understand why that warrants him being written off after one game where he just missed shots. Stew does alot of nice connective stuff with his passing, especially on the interior/in the paint.

 

[auror]

The accolades that Ross is getting for his defensive skills seem aspirational still. He has the body and speed for it, but there is no tangible evidence that he is shutting anyone down. At least we've seen Jaylin do it before on multiple occasions.

Ross is a great defender when he doesn't put his hands on the guy he is guarding.

 

[BuffaloHusky]

Stew has a

I think Stew was averaging 10 & 4 assists the first two games, don't understand why that warrants him being written off after one game where he just missed shots. Stew does alot of nice connective stuff with his passing, especially on the interior/in the paint.

Stew is also fairly proven in the bigger games where Ross has never had a real moment that wasn’t at home. Stew had an uninspired game yesterday but let’s see what happens in Boston before we are relegating his minutes.

 

[SeattleHoop]

Stew has a

Stew is also fairly proven in the bigger games where Ross has never had a real moment that wasn’t at home. Stew had an uninspired game yesterday but let’s see what happens in Boston before we are relegating his minutes.

Stew is our best chance defensively against Dybansta imo. Who else is long and athletic enough to affect his shot and contest his drive?

I could be wrong but I don’t think Ross can D him up. I know Ross has shown more defensively but I’m talking ceiling here.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

The accolades that Ross is getting for his defensive skills seem aspirational still. He has the body and speed for it, but there is no tangible evidence that he is shutting anyone down. At least we've seen Jaylin do it before on multiple occasions.

Jayden on offense is so similar to Andre, without the passing ability. In one game he has looked like a 3 point threat but he also heaved one over the backboard in an exhibition. Jayden is 3-7 from 3, which means he was 0-4 before last night. We have such little data to base any change in his performance on.

Both guys are a great 5th option right now, and their job is certainly to stand on one side of the offensive formation while the other side is stacked in an attempt to generate open looks for our shooters, passes into the paint, or cuts for others when the defensive overplays. If they were "just standing in the corner" and were supposed to be doing something different, they wouldn't be in the game very long.

Yes this is an adjustment for Eric, and he is getting sped up a lot. He's got a billion different schemes flying around in his head and isn't always doing the right thing on either side of the ball. But we need a backup center and it's likely he only plays as much as is needed based on Tarris' foul trouble. Most of us wished Donovan got more playing time even if he was behind Adams, so I doubt Hurley plays Eric more than is absolutely necessary.

Our ability to shoot is still elite, and Solo will heat up. Braylon is coming back soon and will make us an even better shooting team. Silas, Solo, and Malachi are having an easier time of getting to the rim than anyone has over the past few years, perhaps except for Steph. And Reed is a beast who has inherited the offensive efficiency of Adama, perhaps at an even higher level.

There are 5 professional coaches who are pulling the strings. They will try to optimize what they've got to work with. Hopefully they figure it out, inspire the team, and get to write another book about how they did it.

If you are actually watching games, you wouldn't have typed the first sentence. It is clear that he is capable of (and actually is) playing very good individual defense. He has been instrumental in some key traps that have resulted in turnovers, has played passing lanes well (with a couple steals/deflections to show for it). Has had a couple highlight shot blocks, etc. He was subbed in for defense for Solo during the team-wide 2nd half malaise last night.

The overall team defensive metrics through our first 3 games don't lie either:

Our Defense is 16 Adj Pts/100 possessions better when he's been on the court vs. off the court.

On offense, he has made more than a few craft/nifty passes. He's capable of making good passes.

Look, I (and many others) want JRoss to succeed as it makes us a better team. I personally love the kid. But I'm also not so naive as to think he's gonna be one of our starters once we get everyone back from injury. But he's shown enough through 2 exhibitions and 3 real games to dispel the notion that he's the same-old JRoss of last year. I think he's going to be a very important 15-20min off-the-bench piece,

The upcoming 3-4 weeks of course will be the next step...can he bring it vs a gauntlet of high-level talent? I have cautious optimism based on our 25-26 season data so far.

 

[JustbrewitMan]

Ross is a great defender when he doesn't put his hands on the guy he is guarding.

Of course, though, 99% of CBB defenders are guilty of putting their hands on the guy they are guarding at some point during every possession. Whether or not the refs choose to blow the whistle during said defense is another thing. Also, how egregious the hand-checking looks is also is a factor in this...Ross got a little more sloppy in the 2nd half, undoubtedly.

 

[HW611]

Of course, though, 99% of CBB defenders are guilty of putting their hands on the guy they are guarding at some point during every possession. Whether or not the refs choose to blow the whistle during said defense is another thing. Also, how egregious the hand-checking looks is also is a factor in this...Ross got a little more sloppy in the 2nd half, undoubtedly.

Those last two calls on Ross yesterday were just terrible.

It'll happen though when you're consistently responsible for guarding the other teams best player. Castle was in foul trouble often the year he was here. Same with Andre. Comes with the territory.

As Ross gets a consistent role and playing time he’ll be able to do more risk assessment to keep himself on the floor more now that he's out there compared to when he was fighting to get on the floor as much as possible. That definitely plays a factor into how much he may foul.

 

[navery12]

I think Stew was averaging 10 & 4 assists the first two games, don't understand why that warrants him being written off after one game where he just missed shots. Stew does alot of nice connective stuff with his passing, especially on the interior/in the paint.

Agreed, last night was a step back (if you can really even call it that with a 1 game sample), but I thought Stewart has looked really promising so far this year. The last 2 seasons he's just kind of floated around and occasionally gone on scoring bursts. He's been a lot more active with his playmaking and rebounding so far this year

 

[HW611]

Stew is our best chance defensively against Dybansta imo. Who else is long and athletic enough to affect his shot and contest his drive?

I could be wrong but I don’t think Ross can D him up. I know Ross has shown more defensively but I’m talking ceiling here.

I think Stew is 100% the better post defender and that's where his strength is. Which is why he was able to do such a great job against Dixon last year. Not able to keep up as much against players on the perimeter.

Ross is the better perimeter defender and is also not good against strong guys in the post.

I haven't watched enough of AJ to know where his game is here.

 

[freescooter]

This is not exactly a hot take but they're so much better when Reed is on the floor. He's going to have to play at least 30-32 minutes in the close games against better competition. I hope he's ready for that and can stay out of foul trouble.

Yes. We were pretty fortunate to have very good to exceptional “backups” at the 5 for the past several seasons. In fact I don’t really think of Clingon as a backup in 2023. I don’t really think we have such a luxury this season. We will have break problems if Reed goes out with foul trouble or otherwise. Maybe in 2 years Reibe is the answer. Not so much today.

 

[Iluvsuebird]

1. Missed too many free throws, but I am not concerned. Our guys are way too good a shooters for that to continue.
2. Reibe missing layups will get better once he settles down. He looks too tight. The bigger problem is that he has cement feet on the defensive end. Very slow foot work on the defensive end.
3. JRoss I see you. That's 3 games in a row where the kid looks like a real player.
4. Bear is the most important player this year. Not close. I do not think that we went to him enough last night.
5. What is the one thing that concerns me? we are a good defensive team in spurts. This wont do against a real team. But again, that may be a byproduct of being up by 20 plus points.
6. Solo and Alex look good. Silas looked better last night. Malachi knows his role. And our most talented wing has not played yet.
7. My take as to who is guarding AJ Dybantsa on Saturday? Stewart. I see him stepping up like he did last year against Providence against a bigger, more talented scorer. And do not forget that we have 5 fouls to give with Koroma. I am convinced that he will play a part defending AJ on Saturday as well. But to somebody's else point, just do not let anybody else beat you, ie. Purdue.
8. This team is nasty. Think of it: Silas is not a finished product per Hurley. And the incomplete product just dished 9 assists and played harassing style of defense. Will he be TN? I dont know, but he does not need to be if he runs the team like he did last night.

 

[ctchamps]

Stew is our best chance defensively against Dybansta imo. Who else is long and athletic enough to affect his shot and contest his drive?

I could be wrong but I don’t think Ross can D him up. I know Ross has shown more defensively but I’m talking ceiling here.

Both are good defenders. I don't believe we have enough data to know exactly how good.

Ross will be better at guarding quicker players. Stewart will be better at guarding stronger players.

Dybansta might be a difficult challenge for both.

 

[ctchamps]

I think Stew is 100% the better post defender and that's where his strength is. Which is why he was able to do such a great job against Dixon last year. Not able to keep up as much against players on the perimeter.

Ross is the better perimeter defender and is also not good against strong guys in the post.

I haven't watched enough of AJ to know where his game is here.

LOL. Didn't read this before posting.

 

[444JR]

I think Stew was averaging 10 & 4 assists the first two games, don't understand why that warrants him being written off after one game where he just missed shots. Stew does alot of nice connective stuff with his passing, especially on the interior/in the paint.

And he only took 3 shots overall. Those two misses go down and Ross and Stew end up within a point of each other, total scoring, with Stew providing more assists and more rebounds.

 

[HW611]

Both are good defenders. I don't believe we have enough data to know exactly how good.

Ross will be better at guarding quicker players. Stewart will be better at guarding stronger players.

Dybansta might be a difficult challenge for both.

 

[thekollieman]

Correct - we missed 33 shots (23 FG and 10 FT) and we had 7 offensive rebounds, Columbia had 21 defensive rebounds - and we had 5 offensive deadball rebounds (mostly missed FTs on 1st of 2).

(The three point misses are a subset of the FG misses … and not in addition to)

Ahh I see how I added wrong. I double counted the missed 3pt fga. Thank you for your responses. I’d been wondering about the no rebound “rebounds” on free throws for a while. Now it makes perfect sense.

 

[ctchamps]

If you are actually watching games, you wouldn't have typed the first sentence. It is clear that he is capable of (and actually is) playing very good individual defense. He has been instrumental in some key traps that have resulted in turnovers, has played passing lanes well (with a couple steals/deflections to show for it). Has had a couple highlight shot blocks, etc. He was subbed in for defense for Solo during the team-wide 2nd half malaise last night.

The overall team defensive metrics through our first 3 games don't lie either:

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Our Defense is 16 Adj Pts/100 possessions better when he's been on the court vs. off the court.

On offense, he has made more than a few craft/nifty passes. He's capable of making good passes.

Look, I (and many others) want JRoss to succeed as it makes us a better team. I personally love the kid. But I'm also not so naive as to think he's gonna be one of our starters once we get everyone back from injury. But he's shown enough through 2 exhibitions and 3 real games to dispel the notion that he's the same-old JRoss of last year. I think he's going to be a very important 15-20min off-the-bench piece,

The upcoming 3-4 weeks of course will be the next step...can he bring it vs a gauntlet of high-level talent? I have cautious optimism based on our 25-26 season data so far.

I have a similar sentiment. Several of us have been defending Ross on this site because multiple (perhaps the majority) of fans have outright dismissed him. We observed a lot of potential and in your case you had analytics to support it.

Now that Ross has begun to demonstrate those things Hurley claimed he did in practice some individuals have started to put him above Stewart in the pecking order. This is just as silly as dismissing him.

We have no idea how the minutes will be allocated nor when players will be put into the game outside of Demary, Ball, Karaban and Reed starting. Mullins should be on this list but we don't know when he will return and how long it will take him to be as proficient as those four or the developing Ross/Stewart. Our hope is it's as quickly as possible.

A better Stewart and Ross is what is the most important thing. The better they get the better the team will be. Once this team fully heals and completely integrates they will be dangerous.

I'm not ready to limit how much Ross might develop. Most of us dismissed Hurley's comments that Ross is an NBA player after he made that claim and Ross didn't show much in games. These are the first games he's earned and had any run. There certainly isn't enough to back the NBA claim but there are hints.

 

[HW611]

I'm not ready to limit how much Ross might develop. Most of us dismissed Hurley's comments that Ross is an NBA player after he made that claim and Ross didn't show much in games. These are the first games he's earned and had any run. There certainly isn't enough to back the NBA claim but there are hints.

I'm taking it one step at a time. Ross earns that starting spot and that's the next window I'm jumping out of.

 

[ctchamps]

I'm taking it one step at a time. Ross earns that starting spot and that's the next window I'm jumping out of.

My statement was not a proclamation. I'm just reminding people about Hurley's proclamation which was rightly dismissed and laughed at based on observable information. It's a little less laughable currently.

Hurley is very aware of how fans reacted to that statement. Every time Ross is brought up you can tell Hurley is being cautious about what he says about him. Foolish fans probably made statements to Ross over it. Most of those people lack the common sense to realize they are negatively impacting the team they're rooting for. It's just stupid and coutner productive.

 

[superjohn]

Both are good defenders. I don't believe we have enough data to know exactly how good.

Ross will be better at guarding quicker players. Stewart will be better at guarding stronger players.

Dybansta might be a difficult challenge for both.

That's why we need Furphy for this game.

 

[HW611]

That's why we need Furphy for this game.

Are you saying this because we need depth in case there's foul trouble or do you think he's the best option?