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Colorado State is expected to make UConn coach Jim Mora the school’s next head coach.

buddy said:
Not talking about performance, but status. Not P2, not P4, but next.
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You said overall. Your definition of status pertains to FB only and is performance based and thus revenue based. P2 or P4 are not terms relevant to basketball, hockey, or baseball for instance based on recent records. So I would push back on the word "overall".
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
One thing to add to this equation is that four of the schools in the new PAC are in California (also Oregon St & Washington St). He'll play two football games a year in California and likely one in either Washington or Oregon every year.
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Yup, and if that is so, would that be the cause to leave a place where you are enjoying some success?
 
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Duncan Idaho said:
According to the Knight Report, for FY2024, CSU spent 31MM on football. UConn 18MM. Big difference.
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I can't confirm the CSU football spend independent of that report. I can only confirm the UConn football spend, and i can confirm that our athletic department grosses about 40 million more than theirs. It's 99 million vs 61 million. With that difference, it's hard for me to believe that they double us in football. But I also know that different schools play different accounting games, so who knows...

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Per the Knight Report & Colorado's official accounting:

Colorado State University | College Athletics Database

knightnewhousedata.org knightnewhousedata.org

They've averaged about $30M a year in football spending since 2022.
-- Of the Football spend about $10M is debt service
That's about 40% of their $73M in total spending.
They spend about $7M a year for men's basketball & $4M on women's basketball

University of Connecticut | College Athletics Database

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UConn's data report wasn't posted but I could pull some numbers here: https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uc...ial-report-subsidy-uconn-huskies-20036156.php
UConn's averaged around $19M a year in football spending since 2022
That's less than 20% of the $105.5M in total spending.
They spend $20M a year in basketball spending & $12M on women's basketball.
UConn also offers 21 sports to Colorado State's 16.

UConn is one of the few FBS schools that spends more annually on basketball than football... I would assume that is also reflected in the revenue sharing spend (meaning they're working with a smaller pool of football money than some schools), similarly CSU spends about 3x basketball on football; it's safe to assume they probably give at least 3x of the revenue share money to the football program.
 
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UConnDan97 said:
I can't confirm the CSU football spend independent of that report. I can only confirm the UConn football spend, and i can confirm that our athletic department grosses about 40 million more than theirs. It's 99 million vs 61 million. With that difference, it's hard for me to believe that they double us in football. But I also know that different schools play different accounting games, so who knows...

sportsdata.usatoday.com

NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY

Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.
sportsdata.usatoday.com
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Does your UConn number include institutional support subsidy (state gov) which I believe was around $30 million last year?
 
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ScottVib said:
Per the Knight Report & Colorado's official accounting:

Colorado State University | College Athletics Database

knightnewhousedata.org knightnewhousedata.org

They've averaged about $30M a year in football spending since 2022.
-- Of the Football spend about $10M is debt service
That's about 40% of their $73M in total spending.
They spend about $7M a year for men's basketball & $4M on women's basketball

University of Connecticut | College Athletics Database

knightnewhousedata.org knightnewhousedata.org
UConn's data report wasn't posted but I could pull some numbers here: https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uc...ial-report-subsidy-uconn-huskies-20036156.php
UConn's averaged around $19M a year in football spending since 2022
That's less than 20% of the $105.5M in total spending.
They spend $20M a year in basketball spending & $12M on women's basketball.
UConn also offers 21 sports to Colorado State's 16.

UConn is one of the few FBS schools that spends more annually on basketball than football... I would assume that is also reflected in the revenue sharing spend (meaning they're working with a smaller pool of football money than some schools), similarly CSU spends about 3x basketball on football; it's safe to assume they probably give at least 3x of the revenue share money to the football program.
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If they are truly spending 10M in debt service, then their football spend essentially matches ours (reported 19M). Again, I know there's a lot of creative accounting in college sports, but this is confirmation that it's a lateral move at best...
 
JwittersPAC said:
Does your UConn number include institutional support subsidy (state gov) which I believe was around $30 million last year?
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It doesn't matter. The number that was spent on football was 19 million, regardless of what it's source was. From a coach's perspective, it's the same pot of money to work with...
 
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DoctorWho85 said:
Even Nick Saban is baffled by Moras move.
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I too can’t quite figure it out.

It doesn’t seem like a wise move.

He was building something special that he had his name all over.

The whole country was paying attention.

Now he’s just a footnote and will end his career in going out w/ a whimper.

A head scratcher for sure.
 
UConnDan97 said:
It doesn't matter. The number that was spent on football was 19 million, regardless of what it's source was. From a coach's perspective, it's the same pot of money to work with...
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It's not necessarily the same revenue share pot of money to use to build your team (the players). If CSU is spending 3x men's basketball and 2x men's and women's basketball combined; it's reasonable to assume that their revenue share split will be something on the order of 2/3 to football and 1/3 to the other sports. In UConn's case the football share is just under the share to men's basketball and about 40% of the combined spend. That would mean that while Colorado State was offering $13-14M pre-NIL to build the football roster; using the same breakdown, UConn would be offering about $8.2M pre-NIL to build the football roster.

Ultimately, I assume UConn would spend more than that on football, but both basketball programs will command a larger share of the $20.5M revenue share max than their counterparts in Fort Collins.
 
ScottVib said:
It's not necessarily the same revenue share pot of money to use to build your team (the players). If CSU is spending 3x men's basketball and 2x men's and women's basketball combined; it's reasonable to assume that their revenue share split will be something on the order of 2/3 to football and 1/3 to the other sports. In UConn's case the football share is just under the share to men's basketball and about 40% of the combined spend. That would mean that while Colorado State was offering $13-14M pre-NIL to build the football roster; using the same breakdown, UConn would be offering about $8.2M pre-NIL to build the football roster.

Ultimately, I assume UConn would spend more than that on football, but both basketball programs will command a larger share of the $20.5M revenue share max than their counterparts in Fort Collins.
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I agree. UConn has very elite men and women basketball teams that need a big chunk of the revenue share. This will leave less money for the football team.
 
ScottVib said:
It's not necessarily the same revenue share pot of money to use to build your team (the players). If CSU is spending 3x men's basketball and 2x men's and women's basketball combined; it's reasonable to assume that their revenue share split will be something on the order of 2/3 to football and 1/3 to the other sports. In UConn's case the football share is just under the share to men's basketball and about 40% of the combined spend. That would mean that while Colorado State was offering $13-14M pre-NIL to build the football roster; using the same breakdown, UConn would be offering about $8.2M pre-NIL to build the football roster.

Ultimately, I assume UConn would spend more than that on football, but both basketball programs will command a larger share of the $20.5M revenue share max than their counterparts in Fort Collins.
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I'm not sure I'm following. It's been reported that our "non-NIL" spend was 18.5 million in 2024, not 8.2 million. That's operational spend:

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

UConn reports increase in self-generated revenue for FY24

UConn athletic department reported a self-generated $62.7M in revenue during FY 2024.
www.sportsbusinessjournal.com www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

So if the Colorado State operational spend is 19 million (due to 10 million being debt service), then it's essentially the same. So what data am I missing from this analysis?
 
UConnDan97 said:
I'm not sure I'm following. It's been reported that our "non-NIL" spend was 18.5 million in 2024, not 8.2 million. That's operational spend:

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

UConn reports increase in self-generated revenue for FY24

UConn athletic department reported a self-generated $62.7M in revenue during FY 2024.
www.sportsbusinessjournal.com www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

So if the Colorado State operational spend is 19 million (due to 10 million being debt service), then it's essentially the same. So what data am I missing from this analysis?
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That is the spend on coaches salaries; travel; equipment, etc. That's not the revenue share, which was not a part of the most recent reporting from the schools (it's a "new" thing with the House settlement and wasn't a part of the old system which only had NIL).


Think of it as the "non-player" expenditures.
 
ScottVib said:
That is the spend on coaches salaries; travel; equipment, etc. That's not the revenue share, which was not a part of the most recent reporting from the schools (it's a "new" thing with the House settlement and wasn't a part of the old system which only had NIL).
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You're referring to the 20.5 million or so revenue cap, correct? Do we have an actual breakdown of that at either institution?

In the worst case scenario, Mora would get maybe 3 million more to build a roster... worst case. It's not nothing, but it's not a reason to leave a good situation, because materially you aren't any closer to a larger goal...
 
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ScottVib said:
No we don't because that hasn't existed until this year.
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Based on my understanding, 3rd party NIL payments don't count towards that cap. In other words, we as fans can change the calculus here. The boosters can change the calculus (this is how Texas can pay their QB multiple million dollars). We don't know the overall pot of money, but all reports seemed to indicate that we were doing much better in that regard...
 
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ScottVib said:
It's not necessarily the same revenue share pot of money to use to build your team (the players). If CSU is spending 3x men's basketball and 2x men's and women's basketball combined; it's reasonable to assume that their revenue share split will be something on the order of 2/3 to football and 1/3 to the other sports. In UConn's case the football share is just under the share to men's basketball and about 40% of the combined spend. That would mean that while Colorado State was offering $13-14M pre-NIL to build the football roster; using the same breakdown, UConn would be offering about $8.2M pre-NIL to build the football roster.

Ultimately, I assume UConn would spend more than that on football, but both basketball programs will command a larger share of the $20.5M revenue share max than their counterparts in Fort Collins.
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It was reported that the revenue share at CSU was ~$4 to $5 million this year. When it comes to money, Colorado St. is well behind UConn by almost every financial measure. Athletic department donations are almost double CSU's, the athletic budget is 30%+ larger, ticket sales at UConn for all sports are triple CSU's, and CSU's indoor practice facility field is 70 yards long. Heck, Jim Mora's salary at UConn would have been the highest salary in the new Pac 12.
 
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