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College Basketball’s Top 25 Players in Defensive Rating (Tarris 8th)

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Not sure what schools are part of this ranking, but the players listed are only in power conferences. I don't pretend to understand analytical defensive rankings, but my eye test says that there is no way Reed is the 8th best defensive player in the country let alone the conference.
 
Griffman said:
Not sure what schools are part of this ranking, but the players listed are only in power conferences. I don't pretend to understand analytical defensive rankings, but my eye test says that there is no way Reed is the 8th best defensive player in the country let alone the conference.
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Sorry it is indeed just the power conferences.
 
Would think that the defensive effectiveness of any individual player, is significantly influenced by what defensive strategies the team is running, and the effectiveness of his teamates. If your teamates are doing their job right, yours becomes more focused and you can do it better.

That’s why you see teams like Michigan and Duke with multiple players in the top 25. To me it sort of makes Tarris being there more impressive as he’s our only player in the top 25.
 
Those ratings say more about the bias of the person creating the rankings than it does performance.

No way, no how is anyone going to convince me Tarris is a plus defender. He is okay but inconsistent. No team fears throwing the ball in the post to Tarris' man, and no team fears driving the ball when Tarris is in the paint trying to protect the rim.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
Those ratings say more about the bias of the person creating the rankings than it does performance.

No way, no how is anyone going to convince me Tarris is a plus defender. He is okay but inconsistent. No team fears throwing the ball in the post to Tarris' man, and no team fears driving the ball when Tarris is in the paint trying to protect the rim.
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Alternatively you could phrase it this way. We have talked endlessly about our perimeter defense being suspect and not being able to keep their man in front of them. Yet we have the 13th best 2P FG% defense in the country. Why do you think that is if Tarris is not a plus defender?
 
Chin Diesel said:
Those ratings say more about the bias of the person creating the rankings than it does performance.

No way, no how is anyone going to convince me Tarris is a plus defender. He is okay but inconsistent. No team fears throwing the ball in the post to Tarris' man, and no team fears driving the ball when Tarris is in the paint trying to protect the rim.
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This particular stat is pretty formulaic. Not saying it’s the best indicator of defensive ability but not really influenced much by bias.

Tarris is inconsistent at times, but what center in our conference is a better defender than him? Can make the argument for Zuby but his appeal defensively is moreso that he can guard 1-5 than his ability to defend in the post. Oswin Erhunmwunse from Providence is probably the only other one you could argue for (leads conference in bpg).
 
Even when we get positive news people go negative immediately. Solo got an award -- his defense stinks. Tarris does well on a metric -- not by my eye test.

We've got flaws, we all know, but we're also a pretty good team, all things considered.
 
Tarris has his flaws for sure but he isn't the problem. Tarris and Silas are basically the only guys playing defense on this team.

As to the team overall

We're going to go as far as Silas, Mullins, and Tarris take us. Our offense should be running through them and they should be getting the overwhelming bulk of the shots.
 
navery12 said:
Alternatively you could phrase it this way. We have talked endlessly about our perimeter defense being suspect and not being able to keep their man in front of them. Yet we have the 13th best 2P FG% defense in the country. Why do you think that is if Tarris is not a plus defender?
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Because he wastes fouls and isn't much of a rim protector.

Also, I have a tough time believing Muchigan has three of the top five defenders in the country.

It also only lists two guards in the top 20.

Sorry, not sorry, but I give no credence to the "metrics" used to generate this list.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
Because he wastes fouls and isn't much of a rim protector.

Also, I have a tough time believing Muchigan has three of the top five defenders in the country.

It also only lists two guards in the top 20.

Sorry, not sorry, but I give no credence to the "metrics" used to generate this list.
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We are also 9th in the country in blocks, so him not being a rim protector is once again not based in fact. And if it was only a matter of wasting fouls on drives it would have the opposite effect, since misses don't count as an attempt and would drive the FG% up.

You don't even need to use advanced metrics to see Tarris being a good defender. The advanced metrics support it, the basic stats support it with his blocks, and the eye test does as well. There are plenty of actual defensive issues to address, Tarris is not one of them
 
Evan Miya metrics have him as our best defensive player and 11th in all of college bb, not just the power conferences

Also the overall 30th ranked player in the country.
 
navery12 said:
We are also 9th in the country in blocks, so him not being a rim protector is once again not based in fact. And if it was only a matter of wasting fouls on drives it would have the opposite effect, since misses don't count as an attempt and would drive the FG% up.

You don't even need to use advanced metrics to see Tarris being a good defender. The advanced metrics support it, the basic stats support it with his blocks, and the eye test does as well. There are plenty of actual defensive issues to address, Tarris is not one of them
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We had Creighton driving past us left and right. Blocks don't always equal rim protection - big menacing rim protectors often prevent guys from coming inside, so they don't get blocks. Clingan didn't average a ton of blocks. Neither does Mara. Clingan averaged 2.5 a game, Tarris is at 2.1. But we know damn well Clingan was 100x the rim protector Tarris is - no one is afraid to come into the paint against Tarris. These numbers you love to flash don't always tell the story, watching the game is more conclusive.

That said - Tarris is doing something right because he's high on EvanMaya as well.
 
to get a better idea of our defensive metrics, we probably need to compare overall team stats for Tarris plus Silas, and then also Tarris w/o Silas, and Silas w/o Tarris. If we go back to our last title team, our D was around a 95 DE rating with either Clingan or Castle on the floor. With both - the D was elite (around 90).

Castle’s individual DE metrics looked worse than our other guards, as the data didn’t seem to highlight him guarding the best opposing perimeter player. But, big picture, he was nearly as important as Clingan.
 
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Tarris would be a plus defender if the coaching staff would simply stop asking him to do the high hedge and let him stay down low to defend the rim. Unlike Clingan and Johnson, he's not effective in that role and too often ends up trailing drives to the basket, resulting in a basket, or a foul, or both.
 
auror said:
Defensive rating is mostly a team stat. It's not a very good stat.

Tarris has been critical to our defense, though. Other stats and metrics bear that out.
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He’s good on his man, physical and usually solid. His help defense is ill timed and not very good.

These stats mean nothing, Silas is our best defender and as for Duke, Brown is theirs and he’s not even there.
 
Inyatkin said:
Even when we get positive news people go negative immediately. Solo got an award -- his defense stinks. Tarris does well on a metric -- not by my eye test.

We've got flaws, we all know, but we're also a pretty good team, all things considered.
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As a former UCONN player, do you think this team has a 5th gear going into March?
 
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I think Tarris can look worse than his #s because so often he has to try and provide help and he's just not super fast moving. A byproduct of our defensive schema which clearly works but it can look pretty ugly at times.
 
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