Colin Cowherd's view on Penn State Situation...

[upstater]

They contacted Mike London already of UVa. Some say he already told them he is staying at UVa.

 

[businesslawyer]

Maybe it's not just the rioting students that have no perspective? First, my thoughts are with the victims and their families. Second, I would support any effort to rid the university of the system that created this horrific situation.

No, no, no. It is terribly important that everyone remember that PSU was not a system that created this horrific situation. Sandusky did. Or nature did by creating Sandusky the way it did (because we are kidding ourselves if we don't believe most people are born to never be pedophiles but some are). Sandusky would have been molesting kids if he were a carpenter or a teacher, not because he was a football coach at Penn State.

Please do not get me wrong -- representatives of PSU failed miserably in their duties as human beings and representatives of the State of Pennsylvania, but they did not create the actual harm here -- they failed to stop it when given a chance to do so.

 

[Vowelguy]

LOL after putting up a 2-7 record at maryland im not sure thats what penn state fans want

It certainly would mark the program going in a different direction.

 

[uconndogs]

No, no, no. It is terribly important that everyone remember that PSU was not a system that created this horrific situation. Sandusky did. Or nature did by creating Sandusky the way it did (because we are kidding ourselves if we don't believe most people are born to never be pedophiles but some are). Sandusky would have been molesting kids if he were a carpenter or a teacher, not because he was a football coach at Penn State.

Please do not get me wrong -- representatives of PSU failed miserably in their duties as human beings and representatives of the State of Pennsylvania, but they did not create the actual harm here -- they failed to stop it when given a chance to do so.

Semantics at this point. PSU allowed a system to develop and continue that allowed a monster to harm children. All involved need to be removed. Any remnants of the insular culture that allowed these events to continue must be wiped out.

 

[ZooCougar]

No, no, no. It is terribly important that everyone remember that PSU was not a system that created this horrific situation. Sandusky did. Or nature did by creating Sandusky the way it did (because we are kidding ourselves if we don't believe most people are born to never be pedophiles but some are). Sandusky would have been molesting kids if he were a carpenter or a teacher, not because he was a football coach at Penn State.

Please do not get me wrong -- representatives of PSU failed miserably in their duties as human beings and representatives of the State of Pennsylvania, but they did not create the actual harm here -- they failed to stop it when given a chance to do so.

I disagree.

There are at least two different wrongs that people need to be held accountable for.

Sandusky created it because he is a pedophile who acted on his urges. He's responsible. It's not "Society's fault" that Sandusky couldn't judge right from wrong. If he was "born this way" then that doesn't make a lick of a difference because everyone is born with the ability to exercise self control, but not everyone is disciplined enough to actually use it.

Many people associated with Sandusky either by chance or by choice are responsible as well because we expect our fellow adults to do the right thing when we are confronted with evil. A long list of people failed these victims. Alot of them happen to be Penn State employees. At Penn State even an Assistant Football Coach carries about as much prestige as a high ranking administrator or Prof. And besides that at a place like Penn State, the football program generates 50 Million a year.

If Sandusky was doing what he did at a place where there was less of an emphasis on football I bet that he would have gone to jail the first time someone walked in on him.

 

[Waquoit]

If Sandusky was doing what he did at a place where there was less of an emphasis on football I bet that he would have gone to jail the first time someone walked in on him.

I don't quite agree. It's not because of football. It's any place where the power gets concentrated in an old boy network. At PSU is was football, it could be something else in other places. Makes me think about that bastard John Rowland. He disgraced his state as governor but kept his mouth shut, served his slap on the wrist and now it's all forgotten.

 

[ZooCougar]

I don't quite agree. It's not because of football. It's any place where the power gets concentrated in an old boy network. At PSU is was football, it could be something else in other places. Makes me think about that bastard John Rowland. He disgraced his state as governor but kept his mouth shut, served his slap on the wrist and now it's all forgotten.

I don't disagree with what you are saying. And I wouldn't confine my theory to just football. I also think this is another case of old men, with their legacies intertwined covering up for one and other. Just like the Catholic Church and another instance where grievous crimes were handled internally.

 

[gars44]

I don't disagree with what you are saying. And I wouldn't confine my theory to just football. I also think this is another case of old men, with their legacies intertwined covering up for one and other. Just like the Catholic Church and another instance where grievous crimes were handled internally.

Yep. It's always for our own good though. Sarcasm on. These people in power always justify their secrecy with how this would be bad for society if the truth were actually known by all the little creatures, i.e., us.

 

[upstater]

No, no, no. It is terribly important that everyone remember that PSU was not a system that created this horrific situation. Sandusky did. Or nature did by creating Sandusky the way it did (because we are kidding ourselves if we don't believe most people are born to never be pedophiles but some are). Sandusky would have been molesting kids if he were a carpenter or a teacher, not because he was a football coach at Penn State.

Please do not get me wrong -- representatives of PSU failed miserably in their duties as human beings and representatives of the State of Pennsylvania, but they did not create the actual harm here -- they failed to stop it when given a chance to do so.

The problem starts with the football coach being not only the most powerful person in the region, and the highest paid in the state, but also the fact that he is to a degree responsible for the growth of that university. The power relations between football, academics, athletics, were out of whack, and that's why you had the President of the university covering this up.

 

[rich1122]

The alumni want Urban Meyer

Urban Meyer would never survive in an environment where the players actually had to go to class, get grades, graduate etc.

 

[uconNYC]

The Auburn coach had a terrible record at Iowa State and was a very controversial hire. Maybe PSU will be a better fit for Edsall as the place recruits its self and they are in desperate need of a disciplinarian right now.

 

[gars44]

The Auburn coach had a terrible record at Iowa State and was a very controversial hire. Maybe PSU will be a better fit for Edsall as the place recruits its self and they are in desperate need of a disciplinarian right now.

Probably true, but I just think that ship has sailed the way it's going in MD. And I'm on record as saying that RE will eventually work out in MD. They can't get rid of him: he as a locked in $12MM salary over 6 years. They can't afford to let him go. So, he'll work out in year 3, I'm sure of that. But you know the irony of it all is, if RE had just been a little less impatient, had he got on that plane to Bradley that night, Maryland might have hired someone else. And guess who would be right up there for the Penn State job right now? They need a disciplinarian. The place recruits itself. Wow.

 

[Nostical]

Once they pick an athletic director, well have a much better clue on who the next coach will be. They all have their certain favorites.

 

[ZooCougar]

PSU doesn't need a disciplinarian. Player discipline wasnt the problem. They need someone who doesnt cover up for pedophiles. You know someone trustworthy that won't say goodbye to his team on conference call.

 

[businesslawyer]

PSU doesn't need a disciplinarian. Player discipline wasnt the problem. They need someone who doesnt cover up for pedophiles. You know someone trustworthy that won't say goodbye to his team on conference call.

I say this in all honesty -- you should be shot for comparing covering up the rape of children with the way Edsall left UConn. When Edsall did your fiance, did he make you bring him the condom?

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

I don't disagree with what you are saying. And I wouldn't confine my theory to just football. I also think this is another case of old men, with their legacies intertwined covering up for one and other. Just like the Catholic Church and another instance where grievous crimes were handled internally.

Yup, child sexual abuse happens within families, neighborhoods, schools, youth sports, Boy/Girl Scouts, camps, religious groups of all shapes and forms, college and pro sports (see recent Citadel news reports, or the Boston Red Sox cover ups), etc. It will definitely happen again within a top-level NCAA program, and could be currently in progress.

 

[ZooCougar]

I say this in all honesty -- you should be shot for comparing covering up the rape of children with the way Edsall left UConn. When Edsall did your fiance, did he make you bring him the condom?

I didn't make that comparison. But certainly you wanted to see it!

You should have your head checked for saying that the "environment" is responsible for producing Sandusky. Typical left wing BS.

 

[businesslawyer]

I didn't make that comparison. But certainly you wanted to see it!

You should have your head checked for saying that the "environment" is responsible for producing Sandusky. Typical left wing BS.

Sandusky is responsible for his actions. Being born with a genetic inclination to rape young boys is not an excuse for doing so and I didn't say it was. But if you don't think that genetic inclinations are involved with pedophiles, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[06029]

The problem starts with the football coach being not only the most powerful person in the region, and the highest paid in the state, but also the fact that he is to a degree responsible for the growth of that university. The power relations between football, academics, athletics, were out of whack, and that's why you had the President of the university covering this up.

The first part of this describes a certain coach in this state. Would you say that the power relations at Uconn are out of whack? Of course I am not suggesting that anything like PSU covering for an ex-coach has or would happen here, but if I am a BOT member at Uconn, I would probably want to look at the dynamics in this state and at the school as well. Hell, if I am Duke, Bama, LSU, FLA, etc., where a single coach in any sport is the face that the world identifies with the university, I would be looking at the "power relations" very carefully and trying to implement some changes to bring the balance back to where it should be.

On one of your other points, PSU needs to dismiss the entire football staff, the entire AD and the Trustees on the Athletics Committee even before finding a new president. Just from a public relations point of view, you need to do it. You need to clean house and you need to do it quickly.

 

[ZooCougar]

Sandusky is responsible for his actions. Being born with a genetic inclination to rape young boys is not an excuse for doing so and I didn't say it was. But if you don't think that genetic inclinations are involved with pedophiles, I don't know what to tell you.

You mean there is actually a such thing as a"pedophile gene" like there is a homosexual gene? Really? I totally believe that people are born gay btw, but I don't believe I have heard of what you are mentioning.

I also believe that people are born with the ability to exercise self control.

Is there also a ponzi scheme Madoff gene or a soul-less lawyer gene? Is there a gene that causes you to overbill your clients each month?

 

[uconndogs]

Not well read on the issue at all. But, my sense is it is a combination of genetics and environment. Everything I read suggests most pedophiles were sexually abused as children themselves. Hence, I think the environmental factors play a significant role.

Nothing can excuse the action however, and these folks simply need to be removed from general society to stop this awful cycle of abuse.

 

[upstater]

The first part of this describes a certain coach in this state. Would you say that the power relations at Uconn are out of whack? Of course I am not suggesting that anything like PSU covering for an ex-coach has or would happen here, but if I am a BOT member at Uconn, I would probably want to look at the dynamics in this state and at the school as well. Hell, if I am Duke, Bama, LSU, FLA, etc., where a single coach in any sport is the face that the world identifies with the university, I would be looking at the "power relations" very carefully and trying to implement some changes to bring the balance back to where it should be.

On one of your other points, PSU needs to dismiss the entire football staff, the entire AD and the Trustees on the Athletics Committee even before finding a new president. Just from a public relations point of view, you need to do it. You need to clean house and you need to do it quickly.

It goes beyond this. If the President, the one in charge of the university, is afraid of the BOT and political interference, then that will cause a distortion. The football coach doesn't even have to be powerful or famous. If there is sufficient political pressure on the success of a football program, then a President might act in a similar fashion. PSU's president is renowned in his field of family counseling, and is also a bigwig on many boards and higher education committees.

 

[ZooCougar]

The Auburn coach had a terrible record at Iowa State and was a very controversial hire. Maybe PSU will be a better fit for Edsall as the place recruits its self and they are in desperate need of a disciplinarian right now.

Gene Chizik had been a coach at Auburn before, he was a known quantity and had been successful and in demand as a coordinator before taking the Iowa State job. He had been under consideration for a long time.

Auburn is a different situation than Iowa State for sure. Getting Cam Newton doesn't hurt either.

 

[Jarhead_1775]

I don't quite agree. It's not because of football. It's any place where the power gets concentrated in an old boy network. At PSU is was football, it could be something else in other places. Makes me think about that bastard John Rowland. He disgraced his state as governor but kept his mouth shut, served his slap on the wrist and now it's all forgotten.

Sorry OT, but THIS! Drives me nuts to be flipping stations and he is still bestowed the title of Governor by the station, callers, etc. For the record it is incorrect (and disrespectful to the current office holder) to address any former Governor or President as such. "The honorable Mr. Bush or Mr Clinton" are the only appropriate titles.

 

[willie99]

Colin Cowherd said that Jim Calhoun became sick and missed a game in the 2009 NCAA tournament was because he knew he was caught and was going to be exposed as a cheater

the man is a jacka$$, and doesn't know anything more than any of us do

he's just paid to make things up that serve his agenda

 

[businesslawyer]

Sorry OT, but THIS! Drives me nuts to be flipping stations and he is still bestowed the title of Governor by the station, callers, etc. For the record it is incorrect (and disrespectful to the current office holder) to address any former Governor or President as such. "The honorable Mr. Bush or Mr Clinton" are the only appropriate titles.

I fully agree.

It would be interesting, by the way, to know how many people are o.k. with a former Governor being on the take but coming out of prison and not being treated as a crook, but are outraged that an assistant football coach hasn't been immediately fired because he acted as a whistleblower but didn't follow up and report a crime outside of his organization.

 

[upstater]

I fully agree.

It would be interesting, by the way, to know how many people are o.k. with a former Governor being on the take but coming out of prison and not being treated as a crook, but are outraged that an assistant football coach hasn't been immediately fired because he acted as a whistleblower but didn't follow up and report a crime outside of his organization.

And, since the victim of that crime is unknown, he must have been the one that eventually alerted the prosecution to it. And he did it without forewarning a couple superiors who apparently denied knowledge.

 

[willie99]

I say this in all honesty -- you should be shot for comparing covering up the rape of children with the way Edsall left UConn. When Edsall did your fiance, did he make you bring him the condom?

what's with all the stretches going on around here?

now you can't even suggest why Randy wouldn't be a good hire for PSU without being dragged into that child rape garbage

 

[businesslawyer]

what's with all the stretches going on around here?

now you can't even suggest why Randy wouldn't be a good hire for PSU without being dragged into that child rape garbage

Uh -- this is a thread about child rape.

 

[SubbaBub]

There is nothing wrong with the school. There was a failure of leadership and of certain individuals. Replace them with the right people and they will be fine. I have met too many people who absolutely buy in to the ideals PSU tries to represent. They are invested fully. It is what allows them to fill their stadium, to run the largest student philanthropic organization and to have nearly 400 former players show up to support the university on short notice. It's what causes the utter devastation I have seen in them since the news broke that something they truly loved could have been a part of something so terrible. Almost none of it has to do with Paterno.

As for the "riots," I think that's too strong a term. If you know the area,a lot more damage would have happened if it was an actual riot. This was a few dozen idiots among the crowd.

I'd be careful playing the my school is better card, Uconn would love to have that kind student and alumni support. They are building a 10k seat stadium for what was until recently a club hockey program and we can't scrape together enough for a facility for our 10-time champion BB programs.





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