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Message: [QUOTE="tzznandrew, post: 3107494, member: 168"] This is a reasonable take. That's not what the OP said, nor what led this thread down the rabbit hole. I posted a link to PASE (performance against seed expectation): in other words, how many wins, on average, has a team with a 1 gotten historically (I think 3.3?), and how many wins does your team actually have. It only goes back to 2000 and K is one of the [I]worst[/I] since then. Just abominable. (Calhoun and KO are, in contrast, Top 10). Has K lost a step? It seems like he may have. That's a different discussion, though. And in that time that he has slowed (2000-present) he still has as many titles as JC and Roy (3), more than anyone else, and 4 Final Fours. In other words, still a damn successful coach. [/QUOTE]