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OT: Coach K blocked Amaker from taking over at Duke

Vowelguy said:
I don’t understand why this confuses you.
What was the alternative — announce Amaker last spring and then have him coach at Harvard for another year? And in that year who is recruiting for Duke? For Harvard?
The only way to have a coach in waiting is if he is on staff.

The alternative is to not announce anyone until the end of this year — which again kills recruiting for Duke.
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Yeah. Announce it at the end of the year. Like pretty much every new coach has been announced. If it hurts recruiting for 1 offseason, oh well. Forcing someone to be an assistant like this is a bit unprecedented.

But @wheelerdog sorta addressed my point pretty well. I didn't realize this was a known thing about K and the new coach. Didn't realize he wanted his chosen guy to already be on the bench.
 
Scheyer is obviously K's guy. He is a Chicago area kid who is well regarded out here. His first recruiting class is damn good. Can he coach? We will all find out next year. I agre with @aburks41 the track record for assistant coaches/former players that follow legends is close to abysmal. Mike Davis, Bill Gutheridge, Hank Raymonds to name a few. Some have one or two good years then fade or decide they don't want the job including KO and Gary Bartow. Joe B. Hall was successful following Rupp. Hubert Davis struggling in year one. It's really hard following a legend because the fans will always compare the current head coach to the legend. Luckily for us that never happens on the Boneyard.
 
This story was inevitiable based on the shear volume of former players/asst coaches who want the job.

Real question is who leaked it and why? Wasn't Duke or K.
 
husky429 said:
Sounds a lot like the Ollie and Calhoun situation... I hope Scheyer is just as much a failure as Ollie and that whole program burns in a fiery heap of dung.
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So you hope they put up another banner?
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
Amaker will 100% either be coaching Georgetown or PC next year. (If Cooley goes to Georgetown).

Is Boeheim done after this year? Amaker is a great coach with Northeast roots and would do well there too.
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Why do people keep saying Cooley to gtown. He’s a providence guy born there/from there. He’s gonna stay there as long as he wants to coach
 
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Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
Amaker will 100% either be coaching Georgetown or PC next year. (If Cooley goes to Georgetown).

Is Boeheim done after this year? Amaker is a great coach with Northeast roots and would do well there too.
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Cooley isn’t going to Georgetown.
 
aburks41 said:
The last 4 major programs to follow this route have all ended poorly, outside of KO's title

UConn with KO
Michigan with Howard (not a disaster but not good)
Memphis with Penny
Georgetown with Ewing
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Yep. Regardless Coach K is one of the few coaches that has earned the right to dictate the direction of the program after he leaves.
 
k-walk said:
So you hope they put up another banner?
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The trend seems to be one or two good years and then the bottom falls out. I would bet lots of money that Scheyer never wins a title at Duke.
 
Ts5034 said:
This just seems to be the trend in a lot of big programs lately. It’s a gamble hiring somebody with zero head coaching experience to take over the ship at a blue blood program. It happened with KO, then Michigan hired Juwan Howard, UNC hired Hubert Davis, and now Duke is hiring Scheyer. Makes you wonder what’s going to happen when Boeheim finally decides to retire. I guarantee he wants Mcnamara to take over.
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Over Buddy?
 
aburks41 said:
I would love nothing more than to see Jon Scheyer become a total failure as a coach, and for Duke to fall into the abyss.

But, does anyone find it odd that Duke didn't run that by K? Calhoun got to pick out his successor, why would Duke not offer the same to the guy who won them 5 titles lol

Also, Amaker to Georgetown...? That would be a great hire
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JC really didn’t get to pick his successor
Ollie got a 6 month interim position for peanuts.
The expectations were 2012-13 would be a disaster and the AD could pick someone more Big Tenish vs South Boston or Crenshaw. When Ollie won 20 games
10-8 in the Big East he was forced into a three year extension.
My belief is no Ollie no NC in 2014
Most people on this board really don’t understand how close , Bazz, Boat, and DD were to Ollie..I didn’t understand myself the extent of the tragedy. I knew he was their coach since 2011 and father figure. Especially Bazz
I never grasped how close that four were until thev FF presser’s in 2014.
That KO had a personality change with that NC. which destroyed his marriage, career , and relationships , and also
destroyed the sense of family that surrounded our program in 2014 is undeniable and tragic.
However how many of us actually achieve that type of success and celebrity
and would we be able to remain true to ourselves.
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
Amaker will 100% either be coaching Georgetown or PC next year. (If Cooley goes to Georgetown).

Is Boeheim done after this year? Amaker is a great coach with Northeast roots and would do well there too.
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Of all the potential moves Ed Cooley leaving Providence to go to Georgetown makes absolutely zero sense to me. If I were Cooley I'd stay in RI as long as they'd have me, but if I left it wouldn't be for another small Catholic school in the same conference.
 
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AZHuskiePop said:
However how many of us actually achieve that type of success and celebrity
and would we be able to remain true to ourselves.
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Put another way, how many of us would continue to cash fat paychecks while not performing the duties that made those checks possible?
 
aburks41 said:
The last 4 major programs to follow this route have all ended poorly, outside of KO's title

Michigan with Howard (not a disaster but not good)
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Not good? Folks are getting carried away here.
 
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gtcam said:
KO was JC's choice successor all along and would only change if KO accepted a NBA position. KO had turned down a few NBA team asks for AC positions prior to JCs retirement. JC's retirement at that time was not planned or requested but his injury, a few other health related issues and the looming/known NCAA sanctions rushed that decision along

As far as the Duke issue - I think this happens a lot in college circles. I think they made a huge mistake not taking Amaker but perhaps Scheyer knows some skeletons in the K closet and this way K keeps them under the table.
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Any skeletons in K’s closet have to be in Scheyers too - no?
 
husky429 said:
Sounds a lot like the Ollie and Calhoun situation... I hope Scheyer is just as much a failure as Ollie and that whole program burns in a fiery heap of dung.
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Ollie won a national title.
 
Well, Coach K left the game at halftime with Duke up by 9 to Wake Forest. Scheyer took over and they nearly blew the game. Won on a tip in with 0.2 seconds left.

Hope Scheyer fails miserably. F Duke
 
I have never seen a Zoom session where hugs were possible. Poor Tommy.
 
Waquoit said:
Put another way, how many of us would continue to cash fat paychecks while not performing the duties that made those checks possible?
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There are a lot of incompetents out there some making huge money. The next one who voluntarily gives up a paycheck will be the first I’m aware of.
To be fair some might be scammers but for the majority it’s a delusional appraisal of their worth that prevents this.
 
Someone in the Big Ten will offer Cooley big money and it will be up to him to go or not
 
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I honestly think it was keeping skeletons in the closet. It also allows Scheyer to continue to use those same sources to get players. Amaker isn’t a cheater and while I think he’d be pretty good at Duke, I don’t think he’d bring in quite the level of talent they are used. He’d run a clean program.
 
On this Wednesday morning, I’m overjoyed and elated that the majority of us here still hate Duke. I thought the hatred was gone and our victories washed it away. Words like “ I hope he fails”, “ I hope the program crashes and burns” made my day. Thanks guys.
 
husky429 said:
Sounds a lot like the Ollie and Calhoun situation... I hope Scheyer is just as much a failure as Ollie and that whole program burns in a fiery heap of dung.
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But without the natty ring
 
Shocked there hasn't been an article yet comparing this with the Brian Flores lawsuit. At the very least, it's extremely interesting, timing-wise.
 
uconnbill said:
Someone in the Big Ten will offer Cooley big money and it will be up to him to go or not
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He makes 3.5/yr (18th highest in country) and is getting a small bump after this year. I’m not sure where or why people think he’s going anywhere. His life goal is to make Providence a national power no other school can offer him that opportunity
 
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