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Message: [QUOTE="jibsey, post: 2716747, member: 859"] Here’s what I don’t get. KO we all know was about taking the stairs, out conditioning and out toughing the other teams. KO himself was such a fringe NBA player that he scrapped and fought his entire career just to stay in the league, outworking everyone to do it. Coaches and tv analysts who watched the practices said how intense and well run they were and that was not just one opinion. So all of that information we were fed was false? And now we are going to really be tough? I dispute this and think it wasn’t toughness, conditioning, or terrible coaching but it was simply a deficit and lack of talent. I believe in effort but we could not shoot the ball, and that is not toughness. [/QUOTE]