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Clingan and Karaban

NJHoops said:
Donovan’s next adjustment will come when he becomes the target for the other team’s defensive plan. Right now, Adama gets a lot of that attention. Donovan’s been taking some people by surprise, but you think that has to end with his performance in Portland.
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He’s great at passing out to shooters should he be doubled, much better than Sanogo. Let them pack him in.
 
auror said:
Not just starting caliber players, these are two upper echelon P5 starters as freshmen.

And not just any freshmen, they were both outside the top 50.
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Clingan was always going to be hard to rate, and frankly he didn't look this good in HS even when he did play better AAU teams a few times. His improvement has just been rapid. Credit to the staff and Donovan for putting in the work. Biggest differences I see are defensive IQ and his strength and conditioning.

Karaban was criminally underrated. People were ranking him based on his athleticism and not his production. He outplayed 5-stars in AAU time and time again, but people didn't want to respect it. Production is production is production.
 
NJHoops said:
Donovan’s next adjustment will come when he becomes the target for the other team’s defensive plan. Right now, Adama gets a lot of that attention. Donovan’s been taking some people by surprise, but you think that has to end with his performance in Portland.
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Good luck doubling, with his passing he'll pick teams apart.
 
superjohn said:
He's not a CT. kid, he's just at South Kent for the year.
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I know this is a me-problem, but I want to gouge out my eyeballs every time I see the period included in "CT."
 
NotADime89 said:
I agree that eventually teams will start to seriously game plan for Donovan but how lucky are we that these teams have to deal with not one but TWO very skilled big men
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Forty minutes of hell for opposing frontcourts
 
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Ricker said:
@NJHoops (Not playing freshman enough mantra applies to me with Floyd, Diggins, Johnson. I'll eat crow on that complaint and enjoy the feathers)
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Yeah, I think a lot of us are eating crow on Hurley's coaching - clearly with a squad he's chosen with the skills he wants he knows what to do. You know what, it's a delicious meal.

Scrutiner said:
True, but it's got to be complicated to game plan for two such different skill sets, styles of play and sizes.
Hopefully very complicated and impossible!
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I think this is huge - when they swap the whole tempo of changes and that has been hard for our opponents to deal with quicky if at all.
 
Icehawk said:
Yeah, I think a lot of us are eating crow on Hurley's coaching - clearly with a squad he's chosen with the skills he wants he knows what to do. You know what, it's a delicious meal.
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I just want them to win and for everyone (well, almost everyone, there are always going to be malcontents) to be happy with the program where it is and where it is headed. A big ask, I know, but it’s really fun right now.
 
You have two ways to look at their minutes:

  • Is this consistent with what Hurley has done here (cf. Hawkins, Bouknight, Sanogo, Jackson)?
  • Is this a response to the mass exodus last year?

My guess is that it's the former and that some of our recruits couldn't really play as much as we would have liked them to have. Other than waiting too long on Sanogo, I think he's shown that he'll play whomever he considers to be the best players.
 
tentoes4rings said:
That was my first post of the season so I’m not sure where the bipolarism exists.
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Well, first off, I didn't say you were bi-polar. I said this place was. Next week, when we drop a game we shouldn't, there'll be "Hurley isn't the right guy for the job" posts.

If you want me to be more specific to your post? It's absolutely ridiculous to say this is becoming one of your favorite teams after a handful of cupcakes and a "good" tourney weekend.
 
Deepster said:
Well, first off, I didn't say you were bi-polar. I said this place was. Next week, when we drop a game we shouldn't, there'll be "Hurley isn't the right guy for the job" posts.

If you want me to be more specific to your post? It's absolutely ridiculous to say this is becoming one of your favorite teams after a handful of cupcakes and a "good" tourney weekend.
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They aren't dropping a game next week.
 
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superjohn said:
They aren't dropping a game next week.
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Hes not predicting we’ll drop a game next week. He’s saying even though Kenpom indicates we will be favored in all but one (for which we ll be a one point dog) of our remaining regular season games, we are likely going to drop a few at the very least. And when those happen some idiots are going to put Hurley back on the hot seat they had him on just a couple weeks ago.

If we perform in the regular season like Kembas 2011 team did after winning Maui, some ppl on here will undoubtedly start jumping from the top floor.

Ppl went from saying Hurley can’t cut it to we prefer him to a big ten invite due to a 3 game stretch in November.
 
BGesus4 said:
Hes not predicting we’ll drop a game next week. He’s saying even though Kenpom indicates we will be favored in all but one (for which we ll be a one point dog) of our remaining regular season games, we are likely going to drop a few at the very least. And when those happen some idiots are going to put Hurley back on the hot seat they had him on just a couple weeks ago.

If we perform in the regular season like Kembas 2011 team did after winning Maui, some ppl on here will undoubtedly start jumping from the top floor.

Ppl went from saying Hurley can’t cut it to we prefer him to a big ten invite due to a 3 game stretch in November.
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Deepster said:
Next week, when we drop a game we shouldn't, there'll be "Hurley isn't the right guy for the job" posts.
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Yes, if UConn has the same regular season record they did in 2011 fans will have every right to be disappointed/pissed.
 
Scrutiner said:
True, but it's got to be complicated to game plan for two such different skill sets, styles of play and sizes.
Hopefully very complicated and impossible!
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In addition to game planning for two players is the fact that teams are getting gassed. We’re throwing out 9 starting players out there with different complementary skill sets. Based on these 3 double digits wins against teams that are actually pretty good, it looks like teams are going to struggle to keep up for 40 minutes.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
the point is still valid. people are out and then back in on guys on a possession to possession basis, let alone game to game.
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Poe said:
In addition to game planning for two players is the fact that teams are getting gassed.
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Like Walton said, when you keep coming back but you never really get there, it takes a lot out of you. That's why we're crushing late.

Walton had a great game .
 
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tzznandrew said:
You have two ways to look at their minutes:

  • Is this consistent with what Hurley has done here (cf. Hawkins, Bouknight, Sanogo, Jackson)?
  • Is this a response to the mass exodus last year?

My guess is that it's the former and that some of our recruits couldn't really play as much as we would have liked them to have. Other than waiting too long on Sanogo, I think he's shown that he'll play whomever he considers to be the best players.
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The "Occam's Razor" interpretation is that the mass exodus last year and the minutes awarded to freshmen this year are both consistent with "if you're good enough, you'll play, even as a freshman" and that Diggins and Floyd weren't remotely good enough.

You can also add that Karaban is a clear upgrade over Akok and even Polley.
 
Waquoit said:
(can't help myself) Even Polley?
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I don't remember what your schtick was so I'm legitimately not sure if you mean
A) "Polley was amazing, it's highly premature to declare Karaban an upgrade" or
B) "Polley was obviously lacking so it doesn't take much for Karaban to be an upgrade"
 
Waquoit said:
(can't help myself) Even Polley?
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I defended Polley often. Karaban is already an upgrade. He shoots just as well or better, defends and rebounds better, and is a better passer. He'll end up a first round draft pick.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
I don't remember what your schtick was so I'm legitimately not sure if you mean
A) "Polley was amazing, it's highly premature to declare Karaban an upgrade" or
B) "Polley was obviously lacking so it doesn't take much for Karaban to be an upgrade"
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Karaban is already far better that Polley ever was. And I was a Polley backer. He just never made the leap. I guess the schtick part comes because I though that was pretty obvious.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
The "Occam's Razor" interpretation is that the mass exodus last year and the minutes awarded to freshmen this year are both consistent with "if you're good enough, you'll play, even as a freshman" and that Diggins and Floyd weren't remotely good enough.

You can also add that Karaban is a clear upgrade over Akok and even Polley.
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Bingo. My point exactly.

Floyd ain't exactly getting a ton of minutes and tearing it up at PC. And neither is Diggins at UMass.
 
husky429 said:
Clingan was always going to be hard to rate, and frankly he didn't look this good in HS even when he did play better AAU teams a few times. His improvement has just been rapid. Credit to the staff and Donovan for putting in the work. Biggest differences I see are defensive IQ and his strength and conditioning.

Karaban was criminally underrated. People were ranking him based on his athleticism and not his production. He outplayed 5-stars in AAU time and time again, but people didn't want to respect it. Production is production is production.
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Didn’t Clingan have a very good showing at the USA basketball camp? That’s when I thought that he could contribute right away. I didn’t fathom that he would contribute to the level that he has.
 
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