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Cincy, Houston, UCF and BYU

I actually thought us not playing last year was a good thing. Tomorrow could very well be the end of the football program.
 
Once Texas and Oklahoma leave the Big 12, there will be officially be a P4. Once the current B12 schools see their tv revenue go down by 25MM, we'll see if they are still able to compete as they currently are.
 
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uconndogs said:
It's unlikely the B12 comes out of this with a media deal anything like the deal currently in place. The P5 could easily be moving to the P4. The more and more I see of this, the more I am convinced that conference realignment and NIL are going to bifurcate athletic programs with a group breaking away from the NCAA. It will be all about the money and programs like Wake Forest, etc. aren't going to be on that bus. I think it's 40 to 60 programs. Pro sports under a college banner with 18 year-olds making big money. Holds little interest for me, but I guess the powers that be think that market is what they want.
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I've been reading rumblings about the same. The "weak sisters" will be cast aside for a superconference or two. UConn, under even the most perfect of circumstances, would never be considered for a superconference(s) comprised of the best SEC, B1G, ACC or Pac10 teams in terms of drawing power or performance.

However, some time down the road, probably before 2030, depending who gets the boot, it's not out of the question that another Northeast-ish football conference could arise from those ashes. It won't be a "power" conference equal to the big boys, but might include some old friends and foes.
 
freescooter said:
This isn’t on Benedict. It’s 100% on Susan and Warde. Susan didn’t care and Warde was too busy lobbying for the Michigan job to be bothered with UConn. Or too clueless. He lacked the guts to stand up to Calhoun, he hired both coaches who drove the program into a ditch, then he left others with a huge mess. I disagree with Benedict on the NEWBIE, but I get why he did it.
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Warde reluctantly hired KO who delivered a national championship. That is not an easy task.
 
storrsroars said:
I've been reading rumblings about the same. The "weak sisters" will be cast aside for a superconference or two. UConn, under even the most perfect of circumstances, would never be considered for a superconference(s) comprised of the best SEC, B1G, ACC or Pac10 teams in terms of drawing power or performance.

However, some time down the road, probably before 2030, depending who gets the boot, it's not out of the question that another Northeast-ish football conference could arise from those ashes. It won't be a "power" conference equal to the big boys, but might include some old friends and foes.
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Honestly, I think that would be a great outcome.

College athletics is quickly heading down a road that holds minimal interest for me personally. Money has completely taken over and while the concept of "student athlete" has always been under stress I think it's about to go completely to the wayside. I've always maintained that if I want to watch professional football I'll watch the best in the world play on Sundays. College football is/was something different.
 
Was expecting the B12 to poach the AAC bigwigs as soon as Texas and OU announced they were bolting. (Either that or all the other P4s would get the B12 leftovers)
 
buddy said:
Ironic how some here mocked UCF "commuter school" and now they have leapt over UConn.
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Well...I wouldn't get too crazy here....they weren't invited to the ACC or SEC. They are still the #4 school in Florida. Yes...they have progressed... mainly because of commitment and location.

They are still a commuter school.
 
UConnJim said:
People seem to forget that UConn applied to the Big 12 last go round so Benedict knew what the Big 12 thought about adding UConn, a total geographical outlier. Apparently, the Big 12 did not rank UConn’s application high last go round.

I think most college administrators that follow realignment closely thought Texas and probably Oklahoma were not committed to the Big 12 long term and there could be openings in the Big 12 in the future and UConn wasn’t on the short list of candidates.

Imagine if UConn was still in the AAC today and Cinci, UCF, and Houston left? The new AAC would be a total dumpster fire. Is independent football and Big East basketball ideal LT? No, but it sure beats ending up in a new AAC conference.
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There is plenty of pundits who thought UConn was in the top 4 of candidates the last time around. We are now a total non-consideration.
 
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ShakyTheMohel said:
Well...I wouldn't get too crazy here....they weren't invited to the ACC or SEC. They are still the #4 school in Florida. Yes...they have progressed... mainly because of commitment and location.

They are still a commuter school.
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No matter what becomes of the Big XII, UCF just received a big helping of legitimacy. Time are changing. Location location location.
 
storrsroars said:
UConn, under even the most perfect of circumstances, would never be considered for a superconference(s) comprised of the best SEC, B1G, ACC or Pac10 teams in terms of drawing power or performance.
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That may not necessarily be true depending on how things go. Depends if the Super conferences break off from the NCAA for football only, or for all sports. If they are breaking off from the NCAA completely for all sports, then basketball is actually a consideration. Right now College Football drives 99% of the decisions because they get the money for football media rights, but on the basketball side the money goes through the NCAA right now. But if the Super conferences are completely separating from the NCAA for all sports, then the basketball money they would be getting would be significant. In that case, they bring along some of the key basketball schools to ensure they take the entire "college basketball" revenue with them too--as that money in total is actually larger than the Football money I believe. In that case, then you could see the Football schools take along the key basketball powers as well (UConn, Duke, Kansas, etc) to ensure they maximize the money (which we all know is the driving force).

But that is a long bridge to get to.
 
BlueDogs said:
There is plenty of pundits who thought UConn was in the top 4 of candidates the last time around. We are now a total non-consideration.
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And that consideration, back in 2016, had almost zero to do with the football program. It had to do with the potential for the NYC media market should a Big12 Network be proposed, national championships in non-football sports (which add money for everyone in the conference), and academics.

There was only one favored choice: Cincy. Of the other two schools most mentioned, Houston created problems due to recruiting for the other Texas schools, and BYU created it's own set of non-PC behavioral issues.
 
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ASweet3781 said:
oh you are right. We did have no chance. Pouring gasoline and lighting a match on the football program for a decade ensured that.
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It's so much easier living in fantasy world than facing reality.
 
BlueDogs said:
Look like they get the B12 golden tickets. Big 12 expansion: League wants four teams with focus on BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and UCF, per report

Cincy kept investing in and building their football program, showed patience, made great hires and didn’t jump to a Catholic schoolgirls’ basketball conference to relive prom nights long since past. Doing things right matters. Sad. But hey, Let’s go whip some FCS butt this week and get all giddy.
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More like Bronze tickets. Better to move than stay in the AAC but are you in the game?

But there’s nothing magic about the 5 in P5. Does anyone really think that after TX and OK leave, the 4 power conferences are going to treat the XII as one of them, as opposed to with the AAC and MWC in the next grouping?

UConnSportsGuy said:
That may not necessarily be true depending on how things go. Depends if the Super conferences break off from the NCAA for football only, or for all sports. If they are breaking off from the NCAA completely for all sports, then basketball is actually a consideration. Right now College Football drives 99% of the decisions because they get the money for football media rights, but on the basketball side the money goes through the NCAA right now. But if the Super conferences are completely separating from the NCAA for all sports, then the basketball money they would be getting would be significant. In that case, they bring along some of the key basketball schools to ensure they take the entire "college basketball" revenue with them too--as that money in total is actually larger than the Football money I believe. In that case, then you could see the Football schools take along the key basketball powers as well (UConn, Duke, Kansas, etc) to ensure they maximize the money (which we all know is the driving force).

But that is a long bridge to get to.
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Title IX will prevent the fantasy some have that they will leave the NCAA for football and nothing else. If you pay football players, you have to pay an equivalent number of female athletes. How do you do that in an NCAA where a majority doesn’t pay female athletes and won’t want to compete against them?

When this happens — not if, although it may not happen anytime soon — the power football schools will leave the NCAA altogether. That will make basketball less financially powerful for both the football powers and everyone else, but the football powers won’t care because the extra football money will dwarf the basketball losses.
 
ASweet3781 said:
and they hide behind the total false premise of “well at least we are in the big east and didn’t get left behind in the AAC! It was the right move! Hooray Benedict!”
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It was the right move. If we were in the AAC right now why would the Big12 add a school that’s closest conference mate (WVU) is an outlier from the rest of the it’s conference and who’s football program has been a joke the last decade. At least now we control our schedule and get compelling games. And our basketball program doesn’t die a slow death of Wednesday night 9pm tips at Tulsa.
 
BlueandOG said:
Flush out your head gear, new guy. Maybe you haven't been keeping up on current events, but joining a P5 is not something we can just do.
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The P4 or P5 conferences will transition in the next few years. The ACC in particular may be looking to add more schools, especially if Clemson and a few other schools leave for the SEC. UConn can once again be in the running. UConn has won numerous national championships in some sports. If we get a new FB coach I would not be surprised if we could make it to the top 40 ranked FB schools within a few years. We also bring impressive demographics and a location close to NYC metro.
 
The Viking said:
Big 12 is going into football recruiting hotbeds Florida, Texas, and Ohio and taking a big BYU fanbase. Even if we were a respectable football program, I doubt we get an invite.

And besides, this is a Big 12 without Oklahoma and Texas. Don't lose sleep over it.
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That’s among the best BB conference in the country.
Kansas
Baylor
KS
TT
OSU
TCU
ISU
WVA
Cinncy
Houston
BYU
UCF
6-7 bid league
The Big East fostering a BB alliance with that group would be great
Playing Minimally Cinncy and West Va annually
This could also help the helpless UConn administration
By jumping on an Eastern football alliance
UConn
Navy
Army
UMass
Temple
USF
Pick a couple of more

Maybe 8 teams giving us seven affiliation games of decent interest plus 4-5 other games
If I were Benedict I would be on the phone today
 
LoyalFanCT said:
The P4 or P5 conferences will transition in the next few years. The ACC in particular may be looking to add more schools, especially if Clemson and a few other schools leave for the SEC. UConn can once again be in the running. UConn has won numerous national championships in some sports. If we get a new FB coach I would not be surprised if we could make it to the top 40 ranked FB schools within a few years. We also bring impressive demographics and a location close to NYC metro.
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I would love this to happen; however, the things you describe are out of UCONN's control.
 
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ShakyTheMohel said:
Well...I wouldn't get too crazy here....they weren't invited to the ACC or SEC. They are still the #4 school in Florida. Yes...they have progressed... mainly because of commitment and location.

They are still a commuter school.
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Yet they will likely be joining another "commuter" school, Louisville, in increasing their revenues by getting into the P5, while the non commuter, top 25 public university continues to wither away.
 
kobe said:
the decade long nightmare is almost over lads.

gonna miss those road trips to play at Tulane, Tulsa and ECU.

guess at Kansas, at Baylor and at WVU will have to do.
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From your lips to God's ears (but I'm not holding my breath)
 
coachcap said:
Jim , I have a different point of view: When it was apparent that Pitt & the Fruit were headed to the ACC & the Big East was on life support, the administrations of UCONN & WVU acted totally differently. The leadership in Storrs was trying to shore up the Big East, whereas the Mountaineer leadership actively campaigned for addition to the XII along with TCU who said thanks but no thanks to the Big East.
The true outlier in the XII is WVU. They actually campaigned for more Eastern
representation in the XII at the time of their admittance. THAT time period was the lost opportunity for UCONN. That HUSKY leadership did not originally apply to the XII at the same time as WVU & TCU because of lack of foresight is the true tragedy of this saga,
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If you go back to when the Big 12 added new members in 2011, the first choice was TCU. The West Virginia addition was delayed as Louisville jumped into the ring. It was rumored Texas wanted West Virginia and Oklahoma wanted Louisville. UConn wasn’t considered as the 10th and it really didn’t matter what UConn’s administration did.

During round 2 of Big 12 expansion, it appears UConn made the first cut of candidates to join the Big 12, but UConn was not one of the favorites. The top 3 were rumored to be Cinci, UCF, and Houston, with BYU as a possible football only add. Rumor is social policies lead to BYU being dropped but who knows and expansion didn’t happen.

According to articles on Big 12 expansion, the biggest drawback for UConn was geography and that hasn’t changed.

When UConn first announced they were leaving the AAC, I was upset as I thought football would be impacted. Over time, I realized an independent football schedule was not only feasible, but it was more attractive and UConn was actually able to get a football media contract.

In my opinion, UConn can win as an independent. I like that Edsall has turned around the roster and rebuilt the foundation, but I am not happy about Giufre and his offense. If Edsall does get replaced, I think the turnaround of the football program can be fast if UConn hires an offensive minded coach as the roster today is much better than when Edsall was hired.
 
businesslawyer said:
More like Bronze tickets. Better to move than stay in the AAC but are you in the game?

But there’s nothing magic about the 5 in P5. Does anyone really think that after TX and OK leave, the 4 power conferences are going to treat the XII as one of them, as opposed to with the AAC and MWC in the next grouping?



Title IX will prevent the fantasy some have that they will leave the NCAA for football and nothing else. If you pay football players, you have to pay an equivalent number of female athletes. How do you do that in an NCAA where a majority doesn’t pay female athletes and won’t want to compete against them?

When this happens — not if, although it may not happen anytime soon — the power football schools will leave the NCAA altogether. That will make basketball less financially powerful for both the football powers and everyone else, but the football powers won’t care because the extra football money will dwarf the basketball losses.
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I thought Title IX was a federal law and not an NCAA requirement.

Anyway, I think NIL makes it largely a mute point, because that will be done outside the schools (on the surface anyway) and, presumably outside of Title IX requirements.
 
What did Benedict gain by jumping the gun?? The NBE was not going anywhere, since they are non-P5.

TBH, Benedict's biggest blunder was the Edsall hire. If he would've made a better hire there (and actually paid a decent wage to lure someone not on a bonus plan), UCONN still had time at that point to get respectable and make a case for P5.

The Big 12 is the best basketball league in the country. The new teams add more success than the teams that left.

Fran Fraschilla on Twitter: ".@Big12Conference Basketball just got better. @BYUMBB & 22,000 seat Marriott Center. The tradition of @UHCougarMBK & @GoBearcatsMBB & their new arenas will be huge. @UCF_MBB, a potential goldmine. https://post original url/aNkS5M7RB1" / Twitter
 
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