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3 x 3 Basketball is a sport in the 2020 Olympics. Wondering if USA will send Pros or College Players? USA could make up a team of young players that are talented enough to make the the Sr. National Team but just need more experience or waiting until some of the Older Team Sr Team players don't want to play.
 
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3 x 3 Basketball is a sport in the 2020 Olympics. Wondering if USA will send Pros or College Players? USA could make up a team of young players that are talented enough to make the the Sr. National Team but just need more experience or waiting until some of the Older Team Sr Team players don't want to play.
No way the US will not send PRO's to the Olympics. A Gold Medal is a US right and we will not play games with that. ;)
 
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No way the US will not send PRO's to the Olympics. A Gold Medal is a US right and we will not play games with that. ;)
Yes, I suspect your are entirely correct, which is unfortunate because it deprives a lot of college kids of such a great experience and exposure to the international game...And yes, the US is entirely too medal-greedy...
 
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THat would be perfect for Pros who will maybe not make the final roster but are great one on one players (Parker? Loyd? Diggins?)
 
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Yes, I suspect your are entirely correct, which is unfortunate because it deprives a lot of college kids of such a great experience and exposure to the international game...And yes, the US is entirely too medal-greedy...
Greedy? Greed isn''t using the talent your country has. When the USA demanded American kids be amateurs nearly all others used year around pro's. Now, the USA is only doing what the rest have done for decades. I do, however, lament the College and some HS kids not getting the opportunity to play in those games. Also of note: Our Amateurs did well for themselves--look at the old time Medal counts.
 
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Greedy? Greed isn''t using the talent your country has. When the USA demanded American kids be amateurs nearly all others used year around pro's. Now, the USA is only doing what the rest have done for decades. I do, however, lament the College and some HS kids not getting the opportunity to play in those games. Also of note: Our Amateurs did well for themselves--look at the old time Medal counts.
Yes, to me this is medal greed. As you aptly said, college and high school lose opportunities to participate. For me, I much rather see some college or high school kid get the bronze--or maybe the kid doesn't medal at all, but gets the experience--than to see some professional who already is making mega-zillions of dollars gleam and gloat with a gold medal. I feel the former is far more meaningful than the later...
 

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Shouldn't she be in class?
I’ll be taking a class this summer while I’m spending 25 days in Ireland, the UK, and Portugal. Isn’t online learning beautiful?

I’m fairly certain that if Coach and CD thought it was going to be an academic issue, they would have either discouraged her from participating or discouraged her from taking a first summer session class.
 
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Yes, to me this is medal greed. As you aptly said, college and high school lose opportunities to participate. For me, I much rather see some college or high school kid get the bronze--or maybe the kid doesn't medal at all, but gets the experience--than to see some professional who already is making mega-zillions of dollars gleam and gloat with a gold medal. I feel the former is far more meaningful than the later...
To me it has always seemed disrespectful to those other countries that send there best while America sends it B team, then says "Look what we did, aren't we great?". What about the rest of the world that wants to compete against the best of what every country has to offer? What about the ability for those players who, it their grandma/grandpa years get to say, "Yep, I was on the court against Michael Jordan and Diana Taurasi? How about the opportunity to see all these great athletes on the floor, many configurations of which we will never see again. Anyone calling this simply "medal greed" seems to me short visioned. Also as an American I am proud of the level of play we've accomplished in so many sports and I want to be represented by our best at all times.
 
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To me it has always seemed disrespectful to those other countries that send there best while America sends it B team, then says "Look what we did, aren't we great?". What about the rest of the world that wants to compete against the best of what every country has to offer? What about the ability for those players who, it their grandma/grandpa years get to say, "Yep, I was on the court against Michael Jordan and Diana Taurasi? How about the opportunity to see all these great athletes on the floor, many configurations of which we will never see again. Anyone calling this simply "medal greed" seems to me short visioned. Also as an American I am proud of the level of play we've accomplished in so many sports and I want to be represented by our best at all times.
Well aside from your "ad hominem", you make some good points. However, to call someone "short-visioned" or myopic simply because of his/her differing opinion--a quite general and widely-held opinion, mind you--speaks to the very essence of being "myopic". Mind you, I'm not saying that other nations are not medal greedy as well, it's just too much emphasis, in my opinion, is placed on the medal count, how many golds, how many silvers, when the athletic competition itself should be foremost. And while your swill of flag-waving patriotism is commendable, I am equally proud of those athletes who represent us internationally, but they need not be on a Wheaties box or have a shoe contract to do so... For example, the Paralympic athletes perhaps do not meet your "our best at all times" standards, but the competitive spirit of those athletes sans the grandiose trappings that you seem to require in athletics are wholly inspirational for me...
 
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Well aside from your "ad hominem", you make some good points. However, to call someone "short-visioned" or myopic simply becausmeet youre of his/her differing opinion--a quite general and widely-held opinion, mind you--speaks to the very essence of being "myopic". Mind you, I'm not saying that other nations are not seems to memedal greedy as well, it's just too much emphasis, in my opinion, is placed on the medal count, how many golds, how many silvers, when the athletic competition itself should be foremost. And while your swill of flag-waving patriotism is commendable, I am equally proud of those athletes who represent us internationally, but they need not be on a Wheaties box or have a shoe contract to do so... For example, the Paralympic athletes perhaps do not meet your "our best at all times" standards, but the competitive spirit of those athletes sans the grandiose trappings that you seem to require in athletics are wholly inspirational for me...
I worked with the mentally and physically challenged for 25 years and I have also attended the special Olympics. If those athletes don't meet anyones criteria for the best in their fields then on that I have nothing more to say.

Ad hominem's are direct attacks and I did say "anyone" and "seems to me". I also don't believe your opinion that the US as "medal greedy" is a particularly widely held opinion. Perhaps in your household, but if it were so then the US would have changed the status of pro's competing in the Olympic back to pre Dream Team status long ago. By short visioned I didn't mean myopic, but rather not seeing the wider, not longer, view.

If competition for competitions sake were the only barometer for athletic endeavor why then keep score? Why keep statistics? Why have analytics? Why wear uniforms?

Who said anything about commercialism or breakfast foods?

"Swill" is never preferred or commendable. I consider myself a proud patriot, not a nationalist. Those of that ilk I detest. Ever watch international competitions? They play each countries national anthem before events. I've had this argument with some on the BY about dissent, which as a patriot I consider a right and a necessity; it should also never be convenient. When they play the anthem at events some sing along, some don't. That's more than fine with me. After they finish athletes often wrap themselves in their countries flag. Ever see the reaction some athletes have when they do this, or even when they first put on their countries uniform? Do you think this stuff doesn't matter to them? Maybe too much emphasis is placed on winning, and I respect your wish for a return to simpler times. But simpler doesn't always make for better, and Pandora has many, many boxes. That has never stopped me and other Americans from rooting for other teams to play well.
 
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I worked with the mentally and physically challenged for 25 years and I have also attended the special Olympics. If those athletes don't meet anyones criteria for the best in their fields then on that I have nothing more to say.

Ad hominem's are direct attacks and I did say "anyone" and "seems to me". I also don't believe your opinion that the US as "medal greedy" is a particularly widely held opinion. Perhaps in your household, but if it were so then the US would have changed the status of pro's competing in the Olympic back to pre Dream Team status long ago. By short visioned I didn't mean myopic, but rather not seeing the wider, not longer, view.

If competition for competitions sake were the only barometer for athletic endeavor why then keep score? Why keep statistics? Why have analytics? Why wear uniforms?

Who said anything about commercialism or breakfast foods?

"Swill" is never preferred or commendable. I consider myself a proud patriot, not a nationalist. Those of that ilk I detest. Ever watch international competitions? They play each countries national anthem before events. I've had this arguement with some on the BY about dissent, which as a patriot I consider a right and a necessity; it shoulld also never be convenient. When they play the anthem at events some sing along, some don't. That's more than fine with me. After they finish athletes often wrap themselves in their countries flag. Ever see the reaction some athletes have when they do this, or even when they first put on their countries uniform? Do you think this stuff doen't matter to them? Maybe too much emphasis is placed on winning, and I respect your wish for a return to simplier times. But simplier doen't always make for better, and Pandora has many, many boxes. That has never stopped me and other Americans from rooting for other teams to play well.
Well, kind sir, we will just agree to disagree on this subject. BTW--when you say "ANYONE" who thinks this way, and I happen to think this way, that's an all-inclusive statement and it certainly is an "ad hominem" statement. Don't know whether you've been in debate before but it would be considered a statement to the person, and not to the issue, so indeed is ad hominem. However, as I said before, you make some really good points and I will concede to the validity on them....
 
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Well, kind sir, we will just agree to disagree on this subject. BTW--when you say "ANYONE" who thinks this way, and I happen to think this way, that's an all-inclusive statement and it certainly is an "ad hominem" statement. Don't know whether you've been in debate before but it would be considered a statement to the person, and not to the issue, so indeed is ad hominem. However, as I said before, you make some really good points and I will concede to the validity on them....
I agree, we will disagree on this. Yes, you are right, even a generalized statement can be seen as ad homenim. However by definition an ad hominem is "a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument". I thought when using the term short visioned I then went clearly about explaining why seeing the whole story was important, which was the substance of my argument. Though I suppose we disagree on that as well. Oh well, you're right. Time to move on. I'd also like to apologize for some of the misspellings you had to endure (I mean, simplier?). Typing on a handheld while holding coffee on a subway train was challenging.
 
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In further efforts to talk about the thread topic, they won their first two games.

It started with a solid win against the Czech Republic:

They then managed to fend off Canada:

The late games were rained out so they will be played tomorrow. The United States will face France for first place in the group, which also gives a bye to the semifinals.

I know people have been complaining about the team selection, but it seems like they were only going to accept players who could commit to multiple events, which probably took some players out of consideration.

The United States still has a lot of work to do to qualify for the Olympics, but if they do, there are some rules on who can play so they can't just round up 4 WNBA stars who have never played 3x3 and put them on the team. Sabrina Ionescu has apparently already registered interest in earning a spot.

As for limitations on stars participating in multiple team USA events, I've heard a lot of people express that opinion on the men's and women's side over the years. If that were a rule for some reason though, that would almost certainly drive some American players to other national teams that they are eligible for instead of limiting themselves to one Olympics. Imagine Diana Taurasi suiting up for Argentina or Italy or Tina Charles playing for Jamaica or Trinidad and Tobago. The Samuelson sisters might have played for Great Britain together and Bria Hartley and Gabby Williams might have formed a dynamic duo for France. Extending it to other players, imagine if the Ogwumike sisters helped recruit other players with Nigerian roots to make them the undisputed best in Africa.
 

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The U.S. loses a tight one to France in the Group stage 14-12. In the knockout stage the U.S. hammers Mongolia in the quarterfinals but then loses to host Italy in the semifinals 16-12. Not sure what happened to Bella Alarie, but the U.S. played with only 3 players in each of the last 2 games.

Christyn lead the U.S. in scoring and had 12 & 6 pts in the quarterfinals and semifinals respectively.
 
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The U.S. loses a tight one to France in the Group stage 14-12. In the knockout stage the U.S. hammers Mongolia in the quarterfinals but then loses to host Italy in the semifinals 16-12. Not sure what happened to Bella Alarie, but the U.S. played with only 3 players in each of the last 2 games.

Christyn lead the U.S. in scoring and had 12 & 6 pts in the quarterfinals and semifinals respectively.
Are they still in it, or theyre eliminated?
 

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Are they still in it, or theyre eliminated?
They’re done. Italy plays France for the championship. Losing Alarie likely kept the US from advancing to the finals and a rematch with France. She was far more effective in the post than Collier, and obviously allowed everyone to get a breather vs having 3 players play all the minutes in 2 straight games.
 
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The U.S. loses a tight one to France in the Group stage 14-12. In the knockout stage the U.S. hammers Mongolia in the quarterfinals but then loses to host Italy in the semifinals 16-12. Not sure what happened to Bella Alarie, but the U.S. played with only 3 players in each of the last 2 games.

Christyn lead the U.S. in scoring and had 12 & 6 pts in the quarterfinals and semifinals respectively.
Don't know if you watched any of these games, but the American team was bad-- not sure if they can play defense. CW is clearly not a defensive wizard. The Uconn coaches must have used a huge canopy to hide those skill sets from opposing teams/players. Nothing like a little summer bb, outdoors, to expose you. Quite puzzling about these 3x3-- who is doing the picking? Beyond the travelling experiences (great I imagine), are there things to be had from a bb perspective?
 

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