Chris Jans on Sirius today

[UConnJim]

Chris Jans, now the coach at Miss. St., was on Sirius today as they are interviewing coaches at the Final Four.

Jans made some interesting comments today. He said building a program culture is over, but building a team each year was the way to go in the transfer portal era. He thought his experience as a JUCO head coach was an advantage as building a team every year is what you do at a JUCO. He also said he likes to compete against culture programs.

I don't agree with his comments about program culture as the 4 teams in the Final Four are really culture programs, but I think coaches have to be flexible in the transfer portal era and they have to evaluate their existing roster and determine if they can improve the roster through the portal.

 

[pj]

There's room for both approaches. Some players will prefer to play for a culture coach, and some just want a transaction.

 

[ktuck911]

There's room for both approaches. Some players will prefer to play for a culture coach, and some just want a transaction.

I don't think it's the player's preference alone.. In fact I'd bet it's the ones recruiting them more so...

 

[superjohn]

Chris Jans, now the coach at Miss. St., was on Sirius today as they are interviewing coaches at the Final Four.

Jans made some interesting comments today. He said building a program culture is over, but building a team each year was the way to go in the transfer portal era. He thought his experience as a JUCO head coach was an advantage as building a team every year is what you do at a JUCO. He also said he likes to compete against culture programs.

I don't agree with his comments about program culture as the 4 teams in the Final Four are really culture programs, but I think coaches have to be flexible in the transfer portal era and they have to evaluate their existing roster and determine if they can improve the roster through the portal.

Well they're 4 of the best programs in the country so they get to choose who they want. When you're getting your pick of 5 star recruits it's less likely you have to rely heavily on transfers but Carolina relies heavily on transfers now.

 

[Jbirdp5]

There's room for both approaches. Some players will prefer to play for a culture coach, and some just want a transaction.

Exactly, there are many different ways to be successful. The key is to do the one that fits you as a coach and do it well.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

There's different sorts of culture; old school build around players that'll be with you for 3-4 years (i.e. Nova), one and dones (i.e. Kentucky), or a hybrid.

The portal is creating way more turnover so more programs will be managing like a Kentucky (but for different reasons).

I think UConn will be in the hybrid category.

 

[auror]

I'm sure that was the pitch that got him the job at Miss St, so might as well run with it in public as well.

But 2 of his 3 most important guys at NMSU were 4-5 year guys that were serious culture guys.

 

[Edward Sargent]

Jan’s is a JUCO coach with a punchers chance of making the tournament with New Mexico State or Mississippi State or Kansas State or…

 

[willie99]

He needs a new tailor

 

[UConnJim]

I'm sure that was the pitch that got him the job at Miss St, so might as well run with it in public as well.

But 2 of his 3 most important guys at NMSU were 4-5 year guys that were serious culture guys.

Have you looked at NM St.’s roster? I really don’t see any culture building here.

Here are the travels of the 16 players:
1) WVU -> Wichita St. -> Western Nebraska CC -> Nebraska -> NM St.
2) Northwest Florida St. -> NM St.
3) Utah -> UNLV -> NM St.
4) N. Idaho College -> Washington -> NM St.
5) Missouri -> John A. Logan College -> NM St.
6) Palm Beach St. Coliege -> NM St.
7) NM St. for 5 years
8) Akron -> LIU -> NM St.
9) NM St. 3 years
10) NJIT -> Indian Hills CC -> NM St.
11) Georgia -> Austin Peay -> NM St.
12) NM St. 6 years
13) Chipola College -> TCU -> Coppin St. -> NM St.
14) Freshman
15) Freshman
16) Freshman

 

[ktuck911]

Texas Tech makes a living off of this recruiting concept also

 

[FriarJ]

Chris Jans, now the coach at Miss. St., was on Sirius today as they are interviewing coaches at the Final Four.

Jans made some interesting comments today. He said building a program culture is over, but building a team each year was the way to go in the transfer portal era. He thought his experience as a JUCO head coach was an advantage as building a team every year is what you do at a JUCO. He also said he likes to compete against culture programs.

I don't agree with his comments about program culture as the 4 teams in the Final Four are really culture programs, but I think coaches have to be flexible in the transfer portal era and they have to evaluate their existing roster and determine if they can improve the roster through the portal.

He probably sees Kentucky winning NC’s every year with a new roster. Oh wait…

 

[auror]

Have you looked at NM St.’s roster? I really don’t see any culture building here.

Here are the travels of the 16 players:
1) WVU -> Wichita St. -> Western Nebraska CC -> Nebraska -> NM St.
2) Northwest Florida St. -> NM St.
3) Utah -> UNLV -> NM St.
4) N. Idaho College -> Washington -> NM St.
5) Missouri -> John A. Logan College -> NM St.
6) Palm Beach St. Coliege -> NM St.
7) NM St. for 5 years
8) Akron -> LIU -> NM St.
9) NM St. 3 years
10) NJIT -> Indian Hills CC -> NM St.
11) Georgia -> Austin Peay -> NM St.
12) NM St. 6 years
13) Chipola College -> TCU -> Coppin St. -> NM St.
14) Freshman
15) Freshman
16) Freshman

Their 5 starters had the following number of years at NMSU:
3
4
1
5
3

For comparison ours was:
2
2
2
5
2

 

[Huskyforlife]

I’d rather be a culture program tbh. It’s part of the fun of rooting for a team.

 

[CTBasketball]

I want a winning program. Who cares how he built his roster if he beats us in important games.

Have you looked at NM St.’s roster? I really don’t see any culture building here.

Here are the travels of the 16 players:
1) WVU -> Wichita St. -> Western Nebraska CC -> Nebraska -> NM St.
2) Northwest Florida St. -> NM St.
3) Utah -> UNLV -> NM St.
4) N. Idaho College -> Washington -> NM St.
5) Missouri -> John A. Logan College -> NM St.
6) Palm Beach St. Coliege -> NM St.
7) NM St. for 5 years
8) Akron -> LIU -> NM St.
9) NM St. 3 years
10) NJIT -> Indian Hills CC -> NM St.
11) Georgia -> Austin Peay -> NM St.
12) NM St. 6 years
13) Chipola College -> TCU -> Coppin St. -> NM St.
14) Freshman
15) Freshman
16) Freshman

 

[8893]

I want a winning program. Who cares how he built his roster if he beats us in important games.

He beat us with Teddy Allen and there is zero chance we are taking a kid who got kicked out of four other schools.

 

[Tenspro2002]

He beat us with Teddy Allen and there is zero chance we are taking a kid who got kicked out of four other schools.

I mean, there's a middle ground here.

We're not going to take atrocious people like Teddy Allen, but we're also better off with established high-ceiling transfers cycling in on the regular to fill holes than riding with the likes of Polley and Whaley forever.

 

[CTBasketball]

He beat us with Teddy Allen and there is zero chance we are taking a kid who got kicked out of four other schools.

I’m just saying - his roster composition was better than ours and he won the game. I know we’re not taking Teddy, not many schools are.

 

[Rico444]

I’m just saying - his roster composition was better than ours and he won the game. I know we’re not taking Teddy, not many schools are.

We beat them 7 or 8 times out of 10, and the 2-3 losses would be if we just completely laid an egg or they shoot lights out from 3. Even if they shot 50% from 3 we still probably would have won that tournament game.

 

[UConnJim]

Their 5 starters had the following number of years at NMSU:
3
4
1
5
3

For comparison ours was:
2
2
2
5
2

The kid with 1 year at NM State, who was playing at his 5th school, Teddy Allen, scored over half the points against UConn.

 

[auror]

The kid with 1 year at NM State, who was playing at his 5th school, Teddy Allen, scored over half the points against UConn.

Yes, and? It's like Randy Moss with the Patriots. You can take a guy with a troubled past if your established culture is very strong. If you watched the NMSU-Arkansas game, you know that McCants is their emotional leader and culture setter, not Allen.

 

[BGesus4]

Yes, and? It's like Randy Moss with the Patriots. You can take a guy with a troubled past if your established culture is very strong. If you watched the NMSU-Arkansas game, you know that McCants is their emotional leader and culture setter, not Allen.

I don’t think it was quite like that. I think Jans was just willing to mortgage whatever he had there this season to roll the dice with Allen. If you listened to the podcast from before the tourney that had their beat reporter on it he said Allen would get into shouting matches with Jans in the middle of games throughout the season. That’s not something that happens on a team with strong culture. That was Teddy Allen’s team to do what he wished with it.

 

[8893]

Yes, and? It's like Randy Moss with the Patriots. You can take a guy with a troubled past if your established culture is very strong. If you watched the NMSU-Arkansas game, you know that McCants is their emotional leader and culture setter, not Allen.

Teddy Allen makes Nate Miles look like a choir boy. He was reportedly kicked out of the other schools for domestic abuse. Zero chance.

 

[UCLJ0211]

Chris Jans, now the coach at Miss. St., was on Sirius today as they are interviewing coaches at the Final Four.

Jans made some interesting comments today. He said building a program culture is over, but building a team each year was the way to go in the transfer portal era. He thought his experience as a JUCO head coach was an advantage as building a team every year is what you do at a JUCO. He also said he likes to compete against culture programs.

I don't agree with his comments about program culture as the 4 teams in the Final Four are really culture programs, but I think coaches have to be flexible in the transfer portal era and they have to evaluate their existing roster and determine if they can improve the roster through the portal.

With Teddy Buckets on his team, I could see how team culture has gone out the window. The guy doesn’t exactly scream “culture fit.”

 

[auror]

I don’t think it was quite like that. I think Jans was just willing to mortgage whatever he had there this season to roll the dice with Allen. If you listened to the podcast from before the tourney that had their beat reporter on it he said Allen would get into shouting matches with Jans in the middle of games throughout the season. That’s not something that happens on a team with strong culture. That was Teddy Allen’s team to do what he wished with it.

From my recollection, the main incident was against Chicago State. He benched Allen for the last few minutes and they lost that game against one of the worst teams in the country. He didn't let Allen run over him or control the team, and then the culture was strong enough that the team didn't get ripped apart and the season didn't collapse. They mended fences. I think that's attributable to the coach and the other 4 starters who had all been there 3-5 years and were bought into Jans. But obviously I don't know for sure. Maybe he did just let Allen run roughshod over the lockerroom and he corrupted everything and they won in spite of it.

 

[superjohn]

Teddy Allen makes Nate Miles look like a choir boy. He was reportedly kicked out of the other schools for domestic abuse. Zero chance.

He sounds like a huge troublemaker but his girlfriend said she made up that he strangled her and cops believe she made it up from interviewing her and seeing no physical marks on her. The municipal court in Wichita qualified the crime as an act of domestic violence because he threw her keys and iphone on the sidewalk when he left her house breaking her iPhone screen.

I think when most people hear domestic violence they think of a man physically hitting/beating up a woman.

 

[8893]

He sounds like a huge troublemaker but his girlfriend said she made up that he strangled her and cops believe she made it up from interviewing her and seeing no physical marks on her. The municipal court in Wichita qualified the crime as an act of domestic violence because he threw her keys and iphone on the sidewalk when he left her house breaking her iPhone screen.

I think when most people hear domestic violence they think of a man physically hitting/beating up a woman.

I don’t believe that was an isolated incident. Seems to be a very sad story, actually, with a terrible upbringing that led to some terrible behavior on his part. I know that’s not uncommon in kids that have been abused and I believe in redemption, but I don’t think we would have—or should have—touched this kid with a ten foot pole given his track record. I know Calhoun thought he was Father Flanagan at times, but I think even he would have steered clear.

 

[HooperScooper]

I don’t believe that was an isolated incident. Seems to be a very sad story, actually, with a terrible upbringing that led to some terrible behavior on his part. I know that’s not uncommon in kids that have been abused and I believe in redemption, but I don’t think we would have—or should have—touched this kid with a ten foot pole given his track record. I know Calhoun thought he was Father Flanagan at times, but I think even he would have steered clear.

Yes, this article goes through his upbringing. Tough life.

Abuse and anger derailed Teddy Allen’s life. Now he seeks redemption with the Huskers

 

[rip7774]

We beat them 7 or 8 times out of 10, and the 2-3 losses would be if we just completely laid an egg or they shoot lights out from 3. Even if they shot 50% from 3 we still probably would have won that tournament game.

But who really cares? They beat us when it mattered.

Hurley's culture excuses are getting tiresome. I coach sports and care passionately about culture and prioritize it, but you also have to marry that with the times and for him to ignore the portal last year was a HUGE mistake.

Culture and portal - ITS NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE HURLEY!

I look at Texas A&M they're mostly transfers and we mentored their star player, they have an AMAZING CULTURE. My wife and middle son were with them in NYC for the NIT Finals.

Hurley pissed away a good year worrying about Gaffney's feelings when it was obvious we didn't have shot creators and Gaff, while talented, played timid. Imagine Cole, Martin and Co. having a nice Sweet 16 run with Fatts or a similar guard that could create (I didn't watch enough to know another but obviously tons of creators out there).

Hurley needs to learn it's not 1991. I think he is. But man, he's pissing away a lot of goodwill with the fanbase with his antiquated thinking, playing two centers, no creators, etc. He doesn't have forever, but he sure runs his program that way.

 

[Rico444]

But who really cares? They beat us when it mattered.

Hurley's culture excuses are getting tiresome. I coach sports and care passionately about culture and prioritize it, but you also have to marry that with the times and for him to ignore the portal last year was a HUGE mistake.

Culture and portal - ITS NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE HURLEY!

I look at Texas A&M they're mostly transfers and we mentored their star player, they have an AMAZING CULTURE. My wife and middle son were with them in NYC for the NIT Finals.

Hurley pissed away a good year worrying about Gaffney's feelings when it was obvious we didn't have shot creators and Gaff, while talented, played timid. Imagine Cole, Martin and Co. having a nice Sweet 16 run with Fatts or a similar guard that could create (I didn't watch enough to know another but obviously tons of creators out there).

Hurley needs to learn it's not 1991. I think he is. But man, he's pissing away a lot of goodwill with the fanbase with his antiquated thinking, playing two centers, no creators, etc. He doesn't have forever, but he sure runs his program that way.

I was responding to a post that praised Jans for his roster building when he had lost every other NCAA tournament game before he beat us. I wasn't talking about Hurley at all.