Chong

[Frodo]

Many women have shots that are not true jump shots. Maya's classic style is rare. Tiffany has a low release. She shot lights out her senior year and became the steal of the draft. Saniya has a quick release and good range, so she should be able to get her shot off most of the time.

I have to emphatically disagree that 'Saniya has a quick release'. She clearly does not. I agree with oz and blake that changing isn't easy and trying to do it during the season is unadvisable, but I know if I were her I'd spend the whole summer working on getting a higher release point and more of a catch and shoot. The secret there is getting feet set before you catch. If you watch tape of Kaleena, she's pretty much squared up and ready when she catches it...no doubt the result of a lot of catch and shoot drills like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFhetavSVmU

 

[chrissaran]

If Saniya'a shot is so awful, why didn't Geno have Shea work on it when she first arrived in Storrs. Much ado about nothing. Right now she could be freshman of the year and without question AAC freshman of the year.

 

[Scotter]

If Saniya'a shot is so awful, why didn't Geno have Shea work on it when she first arrived in Storrs. Much ado about nothing. Right now she could be freshman of the year and without question AAC freshman of the year.

It's not awful enough to risk trying to fix just like Tiff's wasn't. It is a limiting factor in her overall potential though.

 

[Icebear]

One thing that Saniya has going for her in making the change if she does is that she does shoot a traditional J from about12-15'.

Scooter is correct it is an issue because it is limiting but it is not critical at this point. If Saniya is to go onto the WNBA for her sake I would like her to correct it.

 

[Frodo]

If Saniya'a shot is so awful, why didn't Geno have Shea work on it when she first arrived in Storrs. Much ado about nothing. Right now she could be freshman of the year and without question AAC freshman of the year.

No one said it was awful, just not what it could be. You're letting your UConn bias get in the way...she has no chance whatsoever of being national FOY. None. Period. She probably won't even get any votes for it and she has only an outside shot at AAC FOY. There are too many high profile freshmen this year...DeShields, Gray and Mavunga at UNC, Reimer and Allen at Notre Dame, Davis at GT, McCall and Johnson at Stanford, Russell at Tennessee, Rowe at Oregon, Harper at Kentucky and Scaife at Rutgers (who was the preseason coaches pick for FOY in AAC) just to name a few. If I had to guess right now I'd put money on either DeShields, Gray, Mavunga, Reimer, or Davis. Scaife, unfortunately, has the misfortune to be playing for a coach who couldn't find a way to coach offense if her life depended on it so that might blight her chances. It might come down to whichever team goes the furthest in the tournament and who performs the best there. If you want a longshot pick, Chrishae Rowe from Oregon, though she's at a distinct disadvantage playing for Oregon and on the west coast.

 

[UcMiami]

I think the issue with a lot of girls is they learn to shoot basketballs (and pass) before they have really developed their arm strength so they are more likely to develop a shot that relies too heavily on their legs. And I think that is more true when you start trying to shoot traditional jump shots - the arm strength becomes even more critical as you are trying to release the ball at the top of the jump when the body momentum has gotten to zero.
Just based on appearance Saniya's arms are still thin - a year of strength work at Uconn may allow her to alter her three ball form to more of her short shot form - whether she tries to make more drastic alterations is up to her and the coaches.
There is reason why classic form became classic - it is the best integration of all elements of the body to achieve consistency/accuracy with a 'classic' body. But everyone is made a little differently and if a quirky form works for someone and is consistent it may be better to leave it be - just ask Jim Furyk!

 

[Goodgood]

Jim Furyk shoots a classic jumper. Do you have a link? LOL

 

[Frodo]

I think the issue with a lot of girls is they learn to shoot basketballs (and pass) before they have really developed their arm strength so they are more likely to develop a shot that relies too heavily on their legs. And I think that is more true when you start trying to shoot traditional jump shots - the arm strength becomes even more critical as you are trying to release the ball at the top of the jump when the body momentum has gotten to zero.
Just based on appearance Saniya's arms are still thin - a year of strength work at Uconn may allow her to alter her three ball form to more of her short shot form - whether she tries to make more drastic alterations is up to her and the coaches.
There is reason why classic form became classic - it is the best integration of all elements of the body to achieve consistency/accuracy with a 'classic' body. But everyone is made a little differently and if a quirky form works for someone and is consistent it may be better to leave it be - just ask Jim Furyk!

Exactly correct...their form gets 'corrupted' when they start playing at a young age and don't have the arm and wrist strength to shoot the ball with the correct form...sometimes like Mel Thomas or Chong they get pretty proficient in spite of the faulty shot and are reluctant to change. I don't know what Chong's aspirations are beyond UConn, but I know if I were her and hoped to play professionally in the future I'd start working on it this coming offseason. I think she has the athletic ability to modify her shot and shoot a high percentage. I also agree with the comment that her short jumper is a more conventional shot which suggests to me that the transition might not be that difficult for her.

I've heard Geno say that he has always preferred not to mess with a shooter if they make 'em, but all I'm saying is if I were her I'd do it.

 

[Frodo]

Jim Furyk shoots a classic jumper. Do you have a link? LOL

My nephew was one of the stars of his high school basketball team, but hurt his knee at the start of his senior year. Furyk took his spot in the starting lineup...no idea what kind of shot he had, although my nephew said he was a pretty decent player in HS.

 

[MilfordHusky]

I have to emphatically disagree that 'Saniya has a quick release'. She clearly does not. I agree with oz and blake that changing isn't easy and trying to do it during the season is unadvisable, but I know if I were her I'd spend the whole summer working on getting a higher release point and more of a catch and shoot. The secret there is getting feet set before you catch. If you watch tape of Kaleena, she's pretty much squared up and ready when she catches it...no doubt the result of a lot of catch and shoot drills like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFhetavSVmU

I'll have to look again, but I still think she has a quick release.

 

[Coler]

No one said it was awful, just not what it could be. You're letting your UConn bias get in the way...she has no chance whatsoever of being national FOY. None. Period. She probably won't even get any votes for it and she has only an outside shot at AAC FOY. There are too many high profile freshmen this year...DeShields, Gray and Mavunga at UNC, Reimer and Allen at Notre Dame, Davis at GT, McCall and Johnson at Stanford, Russell at Tennessee, Rowe at Oregon, Harper at Kentucky and Scaife at Rutgers (who was the preseason coaches pick for FOY in AAC) just to name a few. If I had to guess right now I'd put money on either DeShields, Gray, Mavunga, Reimer, or Davis. Scaife, unfortunately, has the misfortune to be playing for a coach who couldn't find a way to coach offense if her life depended on it so that might blight her chances. It might come down to whichever team goes the furthest in the tournament and who performs the best there. If you want a longshot pick, Chrishae Rowe from Oregon, though she's at a distinct disadvantage playing for Oregon and on the west coast.

Scaife has been playing about 25 mins a game. And CVS has given her what I'd consider a pretty long leash compared to what past freshman have gotten. Scaife might not be putting up big numbers( almost 10 points a game, 3 APG) but she's making a difference. Plays outta control sometimes, but once she understands what's a good shoot, or when to pull up and not be called for a charge like she has a few times now...she's going to be a star. Very impressed with her. Reminds me of Prince kind of.

 

[UcMiami]

Jim Furyk shoots a classic jumper. Do you have a link? LOL

My nephew was one of the stars of his high school basketball team, but hurt his knee at the start of his senior year. Furyk took his spot in the starting lineup...no idea what kind of shot he had, although my nephew said he was a pretty decent player in HS.

As I recall he dropped his left shoulder in a very peculiar way as he got into his jumper and almost had a slingshot like movement into his follow through.

 

[WildEagle]

FRODO, Chong(not Ching mayers6) does have a nice short pull up jumper. She never used it much in HS, but it is there, the UCONN staff just needs to pry it out of her.
As for the 3 Pointer, call it what you will, but last night was just a small sample of what she can do when she is having a good game, BANG-BOOM!!!

 

[Suebird10fan]

No one said it was awful, just not what it could be. You're letting your UConn bias get in the way...she has no chance whatsoever of being national FOY. None. Period. She probably won't even get any votes for it and she has only an outside shot at AAC FOY. There are too many high profile freshmen this year...DeShields, Gray and Mavunga at UNC, Reimer and Allen at Notre Dame, Davis at GT, McCall and Johnson at Stanford, Russell at Tennessee, Rowe at Oregon, Harper at Kentucky and Scaife at Rutgers (who was the preseason coaches pick for FOY in AAC) just to name a few. If I had to guess right now I'd put money on either DeShields, Gray, Mavunga, Reimer, or Davis. Scaife, unfortunately, has the misfortune to be playing for a coach who couldn't find a way to coach offense if her life depended on it so that might blight her chances. It might come down to whichever team goes the furthest in the tournament and who performs the best there. If you want a longshot pick, Chrishae Rowe from Oregon, though she's at a distinct disadvantage playing for Oregon and on the west coast.

If you take into account things like fg% and TOs Saniya is putting up better #s than all but two or three of the rookies you mentioned. Agree though on zero chance for national foy. Gray's stats are over the top btw.

 

[VAMike23]

I'll have to look again, but I still think she has a quick release.

IMHO, Saniya's release is noticably quicker than Tiff's. Also I would note that CD in her post-game comments the other days noted that Saniya "gets her shot off quickly."

 

[ThisJustIn]

just getting around to watching the husky access show. CD says Saniya has a quick release. Clearly, she doesn't understand basketball....

 

[iri10]

Saniya's actual shooting motion is quick, but (compared to top shelf shooters like KML and Maya) there's a slight pause between the time that she sets her feet and the time that she initiates the shooting motion. When you combine that with the lower release, it just means that she needs a bit more space than other players to get the shot off effectively.

It isn't a liability, really, because she seems well aware that she needs the extra space and time to shoot. I can only recall one time where she was blocked while shooting a 3. But if ever there were a time to tweak the motion, it's this coming summer. It wouldn't be an easy decision, because she's so reliable with her current motion.

Saniya is thin, but I don't think it's a strength issue at this time. As others have said, I suspect it's more accurate to say that she wasn't strong enough when she was learning to shoot.

But anyway, I love watching Chong. She seems to be a great player in the making.

 

[meyers7]

Chong(not Ching mayers6)

Come on, don't be an @ss. I said I missed the i o using TapaTalk on my phone.

 

[msf22b]

My wife and I were discussing the unusual form of how she carries the ball prior to her shot
I think the questions as to the rapidity of her release are irrelevant.

She is much more than an Angie Biorklund, Maggie Lucas spot up set shot (push, what ever you want to call it)
for whom their team is required to set up plays to free them up

Simply because she is so lethal moving to the basket.

So you have to give her a little space, if you are right on top of her, she's past you.
As a result, she's guarded loosely enough for her to comfortably get her shot off.
Perhaps, she will be defended differently as the season progresses.

I don't think (regardless of her release) that she will any difficulty getting off long-distance set type shots throughout her career.

If she develops a pull-up for shorter distances, all the better.

 

[doggydaddy]

Right now her role in taking 3 pointers is to only take them when open on kick outs or swing passes.

I've watched several minutes of video of her in HS and she shot the ball very quickly whether she was wide open or contested.

I think the fact that she is wide open the only times she decides to take the three has caused her to take her time. At times it's to her detriment. Too much time to think.

She releases the ball after she extends her arms and the ball over her head when she finally flicks her wrist.

 

[DaddyChoc]

who HAS completely changed their shooting form... that's noticeable?

eventually Chong will get it if she needs to, sooooo many shooting experts smh

 

[Icebear]

She is much more than an Angie Biorklund, Maggie Lucas spot up set shot (push, what ever you want to call it)
for whom their team is required to set up plays to free them up
.

Lucas for the last two years has been vastly more than a spot up shooter. She drives the lane constantly getting into the lane and looking for the foul kick outs. She is simply so automatic on spot up 3s that that is what is ingrained in folks mind. She is excellent with the ball on the floor.

 

[Icebear]

She releases the ball after she extends her arms and the ball over her head when she finally flicks her wrist.

Every shooter must release the ball higher than their head or else it will never achieve the arc to clear the rim. Even the release point for the two handed set shot was above the head.

 

[HGN]

Not to throw too much cold water on the Chong love fest, because the kid does have skills, but...I still don't like the way she shoots her 'jumper'. It's really an old fashioned push shot. Watch her feet...when she catches she takes too long to set her feet, then pushes from her chin. She got one of those stuffed in one of the earlier games. She clearly can make shots when she's wide open, but it would improve her game tremendously if she could learn to just catch and shoot with a higher release point...also add a pull up jumper off the dribble a la Bird or Bria. With her ability to get to the rim apparent already, those two would make her a much more dynamic scoring threat.

The shot goes in!!! That's what's important. At the end of the day it counts for 2 points. I doubt that Geno will try to change her shot because its going in the basket.

 

[UcMiami]

Every shooter must release the ball higher than their head or else it will never achieve the arc to clear the rim. Even the release point for the two handed set shot was above the head.

Except those like Geno and Wilt who used the underhanded set shot!
And agree - Lucas is not a set shooter unless someone is stupid enough to leave her wide open from three - she is a complete ball player and can get her shot up in heavy traffic with a good chance of making it from anywhere on the court.

 

[Icebear]

Except those like Geno and Wilt who used the underhanded set shot!
And agree - Lucas is not a set shooter unless someone is stupid enough to leave her wide open from three - she is a complete ball player and can get her shot up in heavy traffic with a good chance of making it from anywhere on the court.

True on the underhand although I suspect most folks would be surprised how high the release point is even with that.

 

[UcMiami]

True on the underhand although I suspect most folks would be surprised how high the release point is even with that.

Just not above head height unless you are doing the backwards version a la the Harlem Globe Trotters!

 

[phil sampieri]

Exactly correct...their form gets 'corrupted' when they start playing at a young age and don't have the arm and wrist strength to shoot the ball with the correct form...sometimes like Mel Thomas or Chong they get pretty proficient in spite of the faulty shot and are reluctant to change. I don't know what Chong's aspirations are beyond UConn, but I know if I were her and hoped to play professionally in the future I'd start working on it this coming offseason. I think she has the athletic ability to modify her shot and shoot a high percentage. I also agree with the comment that her short jumper is a more conventional shot which suggests to me that the transition might not be that difficult for her.

I've heard Geno say that he has always preferred not to mess with a shooter if they make 'em, but all I'm saying is if I were her I'd do it.

How many players not just UC ones have had similar release points ? Wish I could name them all- C'mon Tiffany Hayes still has same style doing darn good in the WNBA
Maria Conlon great shooter just not big or quick enough for the pros-If it's not broke don't fix it. some of us (not me) must be getting bored with the blowouts to make staements
that really make no sense. Don't get insulted, don't want to start a whole thing here. JMO

 

[Icebear]

Very true, but it is right about eye level. Although for huskybill it is over his head.

Shooting underhand FTs used to be a favorite trick of mine when playing youngin's in PIG ot HORSE. They had no clue how to shoot it.

 

[doggydaddy]

How many players not just UC ones have had similar release points ? Wish I could name them all- C'mon Tiffany Hayes still has same style doing darn good in the WNBA
Maria Conlon great shooter just not big or quick enough for the pros-If it's not broke don't fix it. some of us (not me) must be getting bored with the blowouts to make staements
that really make no sense. Don't get insulted, don't want to start a whole thing here. JMO

I said it before. More college players shoot like Chong than shoot like Moore.