Chillious recruiting connections

[intlzncster]

Again, another point being missed. At no point was JC level accomplishment even mentioned.

But I do know one thing as a fact. Finishing 6th place in the AAC and having 10 loss season after 10 loss season is NOT the answer to your "If you are expecting JC-like results" statement. That would mean a title every 4 years, and I don't think a single poster, even the most negative, has ever expressed that requirement.

Point definitely not missed.

And clearly, I never stated the bold above. Nor would I think that. It's not one or the other, but somewhere in between.

JC level accomplishment would be 3 NCs in 25 years. That's out of reach. A number of posters have expressed the idea that Ollie should compare to JC's early uconn years. I don't agree.

 

[Huskybass]

No

Yes, because I don't excel at cherrypicking stats like you. Everyone wants to forget the national championship in 2014. It just doesn't exist. Oh yeah.

Great Jay Wright finally finally finally got his team to play past the first weekend (after decades) and then he reverted to form.

Please tell me how using KO's full 5 years or any consecutive number of years within that timeframe is cherry picking. You can't possibly be serious in thinking that UConn is currently the better program when Villanova has been to the NCAA tournament the past 5 years and UConn has only made it twice in that span and hasn't even won one NIT game in its lone appearance in that tourney.

 

[upstater]

It's the years after the championship we all want to forget.

No, actually, plenty of you leave out the national championship when comparing Ollie's record against others. Almost like opposing fans would. It happens repeatedly by a certain segment of the fanbase. This is just yet another example.

 

[upstater]

No

Please tell me how using KO's full 5 years or any consecutive number of years within that timeframe is cherry picking. You can't possibly be serious in thinking that UConn is currently the better program when Villanova has been to the NCAA tournament the past 5 years and UConn has only made it twice in that span and hasn't even won one NIT game in its lone appearance in that tourney.

NIT doesn't matter. I compared UConn to Villanova over 7. Regardless, you even count the year UConn was banned as a mark against them. Ridiculous.

And, for the record, I never said UConn has been better than Villanova the last 3 years. I only said the detractors like yourself always cherrypick dates. You can go back 7 years and UConn's ahead.

As for Jay Wright, he did great in that one year. Normally, he goes out first weekend. Just like last year. This is his MO. Even with high seeds, he departs the NCAAs early.

 

[BUConn10]

No, actually, plenty of you leave out the national championship when comparing Ollie's record against others. Almost like opposing fans would. It happens repeatedly by a certain segment of the fanbase. This is just yet another example.

I just don't see how a title in 2014 has any bearing or impact in the 2017-18 season. This is college athletics, each season is independent of the success of the previous ones, especially when it was 4 years ago and the entire roster has turned over. You keep bringing up 2014, but you aren't really saying how that is going to help get us out of the current ditch we are in, and the tide is coming in fast.

A recent title helps when you have a coaching staff that can sell it and compound that success. Unfortunately we don't have that with Ollie at the moment. If you disagree, please show me how UConn capitalized on the 2014 title going forward? A program of that caliber "that just won a title in 2014" wouldn't lose players to transfers the way we did. Entire freshman classes and starting centers don't just hit the road like that, I mean, why didn't anyone sit them down and remind them about 2014?

I am sitting here trying to think of reasons that support the statement "we aren't struggling and underperforming because we won a title in 2014", and I really can't come up with anything of substance to back it up, because it's nothing more than nostalgic fan hoorahs.

 

[Huskybass]

NIT doesn't matter. I compared UConn to Villanova over 7. Regardless, you even count the year UConn was banned as a mark against them. Ridiculous.

And, for the record, I never said UConn has been better than Villanova the last 3 years. I only said the detractors like yourself always cherrypick dates. You can go back 7 years and UConn's ahead.

As for Jay Wright, he did great in that one year. Normally, he goes out first weekend. Just like last year. This is his MO. Even with high seeds, he departs the NCAAs early.

No matter how you slice it, Villanova has been the better overall program since Kevin Ollie became UConn's head coach. If you even attempt to argue otherwise, you will look more foolish than you already do. Nova makes the tournament regularly, something we hope will become the norm again for UConn.

 

[upstater]

No matter how you slice it, Villanova has been the better overall program since Kevin Ollie became UConn's head coach. If you even attempt to argue otherwise, you will look more foolish than you already do. Nova makes the tournament regularly, something we hope will become the norm again for UConn.

I hope we don't become Nova.

Early exits repeatedly will absolutely kill me.

Still, next time throw 2014 into your calculator.

 

[upstater]

I just don't see how a title in 2014 has any bearing or impact in the 2017-18 season. This is college athletics, each season is independent of the success of the previous ones, especially when it was 4 years ago and the entire roster has turned over. You keep bringing up 2014, but you aren't really saying how that is going to help get us out of the current ditch we are in, and the tide is coming in fast.

A recent title helps when you have a coaching staff that can sell it and compound that success. Unfortunately we don't have that with Ollie at the moment. If you disagree, please show me how UConn capitalized on the 2014 title going forward? A program of that caliber "that just won a title in 2014" wouldn't lose players to transfers the way we did. Entire freshman classes and starting centers don't just hit the road like that, I mean, why didn't anyone sit them down and remind them about 2014?

I am sitting here trying to think of reasons that support the statement "we aren't struggling and underperforming because we won a title in 2014", and I really can't come up with anything of substance to back it up, because it's nothing more than nostalgic fan hoorahs.

We're comparing the past.

 

[pj]

Obviously it's very early, but can a top recruiter have a worst start at a program than Chill has had?

Yes, because we could have missed on Whaley, Anderson, Onuorah.

A few months ago we couldn't hold a 5 on 5 scrimmage. Now we can.

 

[Chief00]

Obviously, there are many differences between Jim and Kevin. As far as recruiting, Jim had a process and had staff meetings focused on recruiting - everyone was held accountable and there were backup plans that were warm on the burner and the heat just needed to be turned up when the higher priority guy fell through.
I think a big difference is Jim always was refining the narrative that had other schools on their heels. Play against the best in the Big East before we were the best. Then it was about UConn winning NC's. We were Wing-U, then Bigs and then PGs. He hated the Yankees but somehow we become MSG and NYC's school. He got you to the league so you would take his crap. And throw in the Beltway Ballers and pay them $25k just to piss off Gary Williams and thank you Rudy Guy. It became playing for a HOF coach, that was why Andre went to UConn - not all this he always wanted to go to State U BS.

 

[Huskybass]

I just don't see how a title in 2014 has any bearing or impact in the 2017-18 season. This is college athletics, each season is independent of the success of the previous ones, especially when it was 4 years ago and the entire roster has turned over. You keep bringing up 2014, but you aren't really saying how that is going to help get us out of the current ditch we are in, and the tide is coming in fast.

A recent title helps when you have a coaching staff that can sell it and compound that success. Unfortunately we don't have that with Ollie at the moment. If you disagree, please show me how UConn capitalized on the 2014 title going forward? A program of that caliber "that just won a title in 2014" wouldn't lose players to transfers the way we did. Entire freshman classes and starting centers don't just hit the road like that, I mean, why didn't anyone sit them down and remind them about 2014?

I am sitting here trying to think of reasons that support the statement "we aren't struggling and underperforming because we won a title in 2014", and I really can't come up with anything of substance to back it up, because it's nothing more than nostalgic fan hoorahs.

Fantastic post. 100% on point.

 

[intlzncster]

Obviously, there are many differences between Jim and Kevin. As far as recruiting, Jim had a process and had staff meetings focused on recruiting - everyone was held accountable and there were backup plans that were warm on the burner and the heat just needed to be turned up when the higher priority guy fell through.
I think a big difference is Jim always was refining the narrative that had other schools on their heels. Play against the best in the Big East before we were the best. Then it was about UConn winning NC's. We were Wing-U, then Bigs and then PGs. He hated the Yankees but somehow we become MSG and NYC's school. He got you to the league so you would take his crap. And throw in the Beltway Ballers and pay them $25k just to piss off Gary Williams and thank you Rudy Guy. It became playing for a HOF coach, that was why Andre went to UConn - not all this he always wanted to go to State U BS.

Unfortunately, everyone of those things is impossible to replicate in our current situation, KO as coach or no. What can the narrative possibly be at this stage?

I'm hoping Chillious is able to change it somehow. Unfortunately, these things take a certain amount of time to be rewritten. You don't step in day 1 and change everybody's' opinions. Unless you are maybe Cal.