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Charlton has been one of our best coordinators, and yes I want him gone!!!

Remember, UConn gets ~$1 million from SNY and ~$500k from CBS so the media dollars are comparable with a big savings in travel costs. And, it was obvious that the AAC was a league of schools looking to get out, so it was only a matter of time before the most attractive schools left. If UConn stayed in the AAC, the schedule would have been made up of teams like UAB, FAU, UNC Charlotte, North Texas, UTSA, Tulsa,... Disaster for both football and especially basketball.

Don't get me wrong, UConn needs more money and that means it will be up to the fans to help with donations.

I think moving to independent in football was more attractive than what the AAC became. Our frustration is that the school did not invest in football in years and expected better results which was crazy. For the first time in a decade, I feel that UConn is investing and focusing on football. LT, we are hoping that UConn will be in a conference with like schools and I feel that is coming.
We had no choice but indy in FB. The AAC would not, and will not, have us in FB only.
Would like to hear more from DB as to what he is planning or plans to do. He is too damn secretive. Just friggin say you’re pissed you were left at the altar so many times.
 
Are people just mad at the results or are there specific plays we didn’t like, other than the stupid gadgets.

This is a serious question. For years, we moaned about the run, run, pass, punt. Charlton certainly wasn't that. And while you can certainly question situational play calling and players not developing, but it's that going to happen with poor athletes?

I really don't know how many open looks weren't attempted.
The results are what they are. Bad verging on terrible. He needs to go. Are we hamstrung financially? Yes. Are other programs doing more with the same or less? Yes. That's all I need to know
 
Our frustration is that the school did not invest in football in years and expected better results which was crazy. For the first time in a decade, I feel that UConn is investing and focusing on football. LT, we are hoping that UConn will be in a conference with like schools and I feel that is coming.
THIS......
 
If Charlton isn’t canned it tells you the school has no intention of doing anything but showing up to games. School is very comfortable with failure on the grid iron.

I hate the job he is doing but we would have to pay him 800k to go away.

If we have that money then let’s hire a real DC and a QB coach. Oh and a ST coach.
 
Trust Mora. Less than a year ago there were many Yarder's who wanted Hurley canned as they were convinced he would never win anything here. That sure aged well.

BTW our scheduling practices as a G5 team are absurd. Play more G5 games please and all of the coaches will look better.

Lashlee had Shirreffs and Weist eventually found his way to Cochran. Isn't amazing how offensive coordinators look so much better when they have good QB's working for them. Shirreffs and Cochran were two of our very best of the FBS era. Do you think we might have had a better functioning offense this year if we had a QB who could run like Shirreffs?
Shireffs was good but many complained about him being a FB and not a QB. I enjoyed him and he was much better than the others. CC played after Boyle. Sometimes it’s the player more than the coaching.
 
I’m not. This is actually what people think. And there isn’t a material difference between what you said and what I said.

Nobody protects basketball by hurting football. Even schools like Duke and KU don’t do that.

Coaches don’t believe they will be supported at UConn. That’s the perception we have to change.
I think Duke and KU are in the power 5
 
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If we don't hire a DC in the off-season that's just malpractice.
It's not about hiring one, it's restructuring the coaching staff to put him on the field calling the defense. John Pagano should be the natural choice. But as the special assistant to the head coach, he wasn't an on field assistant.
 
The results are what they are. Bad verging on terrible. He needs to go. Are we hamstrung financially? Yes. Are other programs doing more with the same or less? Yes. That's all I need to know
This is the biggest complaint. Lesser programs are doing more with less. Other than geography, it begs an explanation.
 
Shireffs was good but many complained about him being a FB and not a QB. I enjoyed him and he was much better than the others. CC played after Boyle. Sometimes it’s the player more than the coaching.
Diaco bulked him up to be a fullback. RE had him lose weight to be more mobile. It was one of Diaco's crazy ideas
 
By the time we're in a P4 league, things will be P2 only, or even worse, P1 only.
But at least we'll be in an upward conference trajectory unlike remaining with a status quo.
 
If Charlton isn’t canned it tells you the school has no intention of doing anything but showing up to games. School is very comfortable with failure on the grid iron.

This says it all right here. There's no need to further elaborate.
 
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Not trying to argue at all. Just trying to understand your point of view, especially regarding perception.
I recall quotes in the articles from the Big XII flirtation, stating that the perception of UConn "downgrading" and "not being serious" about football was a big portion of the school president's reluctance to back Yormark's plan to add the Huskies.

Ultimately history has proven it was the right move for UConn's unique situation.. but it was a very outside the box move, and one that football first schools in the Big XII core couldn't ever fathom. Our stated reasoning (avoiding the ESPN+ paywall) is also looking weaker and weaker as more content is pushed to streaming, essentially we've become the school who picked the secondary sport over the primary income driver and have stated, that our (fairly affluent) market isn't willing to stream our content.

We know that's not the case... but those are things UConn has to overcome to eventually find a home beyond a bottom-tier conference desperate enough to offer football-only. UConn needs to do more to socialize the quality of the facilities to show, hey we made a non-traditional football move, but we've got the investment here... they need to do more to talk about the benefits, real or imagined, they've realized for football (hey attendance is higher the last two years, we get to play a stronger schedule than what we would've had in the AAC)... but until they can really message the move and get people thinking that not only was the Big East a basketball move.. but a "football move" or not the downgrade it's perceived to be, outside the northeast, UConn abandoned football in favor of basketball (and honestly no matter how successful basketball is, will cancel that narrative, if anything it reinforces it).
 
I recall quotes in the articles from the Big XII flirtation, stating that the perception of UConn "downgrading" and "not being serious" about football was a big portion of the school president's reluctance to back Yormark's plan to add the Huskies.

Ultimately history has proven it was the right move for UConn's unique situation.. but it was a very outside the box move, and one that football first schools in the Big XII core couldn't ever fathom. Our stated reasoning (avoiding the ESPN+ paywall) is also looking weaker and weaker as more content is pushed to streaming, essentially we've become the school who picked the secondary sport over the primary income driver and have stated, that our (fairly affluent) market isn't willing to stream our content.

We know that's not the case... but those are things UConn has to overcome to eventually find a home beyond a bottom-tier conference desperate enough to offer football-only. UConn needs to do more to socialize the quality of the facilities to show, hey we made a non-traditional football move, but we've got the investment here... they need to do more to talk about the benefits, real or imagined, they've realized for football (hey attendance is higher the last two years, we get to play a stronger schedule than what we would've had in the AAC)... but until they can really message the move and get people thinking that not only was the Big East a basketball move.. but a "football move" or not the downgrade it's perceived to be, outside the northeast, UConn abandoned football in favor of basketball (and honestly no matter how successful basketball is, will cancel that narrative, if anything it reinforces it).
Yeah, but it’s just dumb. We need to do a better job marketing and controlling narratives. We should be getting heaps of praise for what we did. We should also get credit for having the option. Many other schools would have pursued the same course but it wasn’t available to them.
 
We had no choice but indy in FB. The AAC would not, and will not, have us in FB only.
Would like to hear more from DB as to what he is planning or plans to do. He is too damn secretive. Just friggin say you’re pissed you were left at the altar so many times.
I bet it would have us as a football only now, but the AAC now is nowhere near the quality of the league we left a few years ago.
 
It's not about hiring one, it's restructuring the coaching staff to put him on the field calling the defense. John Pagano should be the natural choice. But as the special assistant to the head coach, he wasn't an on field assistant.
Good point... I forgot the guy's name (Pagano), because he was behind the scenes... With all the experience he has coaching wise, if he's the guy, so be it... Just let him do what we need him to do full time now...
 
I bet it would have us as a football only now, but the AAC now is nowhere near the quality of the league we left a few years ago.
I think UConn and UMass as football only to the AAC makes a lot of sense for everybody involved. But I certainly wouldn't hold my breath on that.
 
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I’m not. This is actually what people think. And there isn’t a material difference between what you said and what I said.

Nobody protects basketball by hurting football. Even schools like Duke and KU don’t do that.

Coaches don’t believe they will be supported at UConn. That’s the perception we have to change.

I agree with your overall sentiment, coaches don't believe they will be supported at UConn. But I think comparing us to Duke and Kansas is comparing apples to oranges. They are in a P5 and have plenty of money. They don't have to choose one or the other because they have plenty of money to adequately support both. There really isn't a program in the country that you can truly compare to UConn, we're in a unique situation. I think if you swapped Duke or Kansas with UConn's situation, they would have made the same or similar decisions we did to protect basketball.
 
Nationally, not even attempting to play in 2020 damaged the football perception. Even UMass gave it a shot. Last season's story with Mora being mentioned for COY was the only positive thing written about the program in the last 13 years.

This too. It wasn’t just the AAC/SNY thing.
 
I agree with your overall sentiment, coaches don't believe they will be supported at UConn. But I think comparing us to Duke and Kansas is comparing apples to oranges. They are in a P5 and have plenty of money. They don't have to choose one or the other because they have plenty of money to adequately support both. There really isn't a program in the country that you can truly compare to UConn, we're in a unique situation. I think if you swapped Duke or Kansas with UConn's situation, they would have made the same or similar decisions we did to protect basketball.

If they did they would suffer the same consequences.

But I doubt they would essentially sabotage a football program like we did.
 
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I think UConn and UMass as football only to the AAC makes a lot of sense for everybody involved. But I certainly wouldn't hold my breath on that.
Hypothetically, We pair with UMass and approach the AAC with a proposal that both schools join as football only members. What benefit would the AAC receive from this?
 
Hypothetically, We pair with UMass and approach the AAC with a proposal that both schools join as football only members. What benefit would the AAC receive from this?
Eyeballs from NY to Boston.
 
Does his buyout reduce if we get into December or January?
No…

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… but there is a salary offset if he is hired by another program.
 
Does his buyout reduce if we get into December or January?
If we keep doing this (the old way) it always seems we miss out (impact recruits, impact coach(es)(ing) alike)... We're still moving like a snail, forget about a turtle... We want BIG time but keep making mediocre (equates to small time) moves... When are we going to learn what it really takes if that's what we (the powers that be in this state.. not me... I'm cool with being mid level for a little bit, with Bowl game ties... you know? the college football experience most FBS schools live by) want...

I say we swallow our pride a little longer for decent success on the field and build up to the top (eventually)... but what do I know... I mean, all we've had as of late is a bunch of losing/complaining/criticizing/uninspiring results...

This is not an overnite thing folks.. We're going through it... Let's continue to go through, so we can get to... I still think we can... even with patience running thin...
 
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