Charlton has been one of our best coordinators, and yes I want him gone!!!

[CCSUblue]

Get Santos to bring Brosmer, lol. We tried Maine, let's try New Hampshire.

 

[ZooCougar]

Get Santos to bring Brosmer, lol. We tried Maine, let's try New Hampshire.

We could have used Santos during the DJ/Bones days.

 

[gopher2]

Get Santos to bring Brosmer, lol. We tried Maine, let's try New Hampshire.

Or Rhode Island. Didn't they light up one of our opponents that we could barely score on?

 

[How Sway?!]

I don’t agree with this at all.

The perception of UConn is that we downgraded/defunded football to save Women’s Basketball.

It may not be a wholly accurate perception but that is the shared reality outside of the UConn bubble.

Every FCS coach? You think Chesney or the NDSU coach are dropping everything to come deal with this? I don’t think so.

It will take a long time to get the stink off.

No, the perception was that we downgraded to save Basketball, both programs. Heck, the women's program had won 3 titles in a row while in AAC.

Stop trying to paint everything in the darkest light possible.

 

[ZooCougar]

No, the perception was that we downgraded to save Basketball, both programs. Heck, the women's program had won 3 titles in a row while in AAC.

Stop trying to paint everything in the darkest light possible.

I’m not. This is actually what people think. And there isn’t a material difference between what you said and what I said.

Nobody protects basketball by hurting football. Even schools like Duke and KU don’t do that.

Coaches don’t believe they will be supported at UConn. That’s the perception we have to change.

 

[ZooCougar]

Or Rhode Island. Didn't they light up one of our opponents that we could barely score on?

We were also one of the few teams that couldn’t put up 400 yards offense and 50 points against USF.

 

[uconnfan68]

I know nothing about football coaches’ contracts. Having said that, it is standard in an executive’s employment contract to have a clause that says a material diminution in duties allows the executive to quit and treat it as if he or she was fired for severance purposes.

If they're in the union are they considered executives? How do they get to have their cake and eat it too?

 

[businesslawyer]

If they're in the union are they considered executives? How do they get to have their cake and eat it too?

I'm not saying coordinators are executives, nor do I have any experience as to employment contracts of unionized employees. I was merely making the point that it is very common in employment contracts that telling someone hired to do one job and then being told to perform a much lower level one does in fact allow them to quit and receive severance as if they were fired.

 

[huskymedic]

Or Rhode Island. Didn't they light up one of our opponents that we could barely score on?

They had Kasim Hill - we didn’t.

 

[freescooter]

I don’t agree with this at all.

The perception of UConn is that we downgraded/defunded football to save Women’s Basketball.

It may not be a wholly accurate perception but that is the shared reality outside of the UConn bubble.

Every FCS coach? You think Chesney or the NDSU coach are dropping everything to come deal with this? I don’t think so.

It will take a long time to get the stink off.

First of all, it was a figure of speech. Obviously there are exceptions but a large number would. If Cheney wants to coach at the FBS level he might. He has been considered for a couple of jobs and not gotten them. A stint as a successful and or innovative FBS coordinator might be the thing that gets him over the hump. FCS head coaches don’t often get FBS jobs. FBS coordinators do. I don’t know what his career goals are but if FBS head coach is one, he might very well take it.

 

[CL82]

'Are coaches guaranteed a specific job? Can an assistant coach be pd by contract but demoted to equipment manager (just an example)?

Probably not, under the CBA.

 

[CL82]

And, Charlton got a $125,000 raise from 2022 to 2023. He went from $375,000 to $500,000. Where's the ROI?

Well, for him, it's been a pretty good return.

 

[freescooter]

'Are coaches guaranteed a specific job? Can an assistant coach be pd by contract but demoted to equipment manager (just an example)?

He could be demoted to equipment manager but do we really want to see if he runs that like he runs the offense? Guys wouldn’t get uniforms until ghe 3rd quarter

 

[How Sway?!]

I’m not. This is actually what people think. And there isn’t a material difference between what you said and what I said.

Nobody protects basketball by hurting football. Even schools like Duke and KU don’t do that.

Coaches don’t believe they will be supported at UConn. That’s the perception we have to change.

You are comparing two schools who are in P4 conferences. It is not remotely close to our situation. You dont think that if Kansas and Duke were in the American and saw that their future was going to be behind a paywall surrounded by a bunch of directional schools they wouldn't make a move?

 

[Skies2018]

You are comparing two schools who are in P4 conferences. It is not remotely close to our situation. You dont think that if Kansas and Duke were in the American and saw that their future was going to be behind a paywall surrounded by a bunch of directional schools they wouldn't make a move?

What Zoo said is still true though. Regardless of the actuality of the situation, that was the general perception. Further enforced by then cancelling our entire football season like a year later. Leaving the AAC had a profound impact on our athletics reputation. Showed we really cared about basketball (which is great) but didn’t care about the rest.

 

[uconnfan68]

I don’t agree with this at all.

The perception of UConn is that we downgraded/defunded football to save Women’s Basketball.

It may not be a wholly accurate perception but that is the shared reality outside of the UConn bubble.

Every FCS coach? You think Chesney or the NDSU coach are dropping everything to come deal with this? I don’t think so.

It will take a long time to get the stink off.

Not sure how far outside the bubble you need to be to hear that. If we had stayed in the AAC for football, we risked losing the $ we received for wbb as SNY was no longer in the picture. Add that to the fact that the AAC was becoming a feeder league for P5 leagues, and we sucked in almost everything but wbb, many thought a change back to the BE was appropriate.

The true perception of UConn is that we're a basketball first school. Like Duke, Kansas, and Kentucky. The only difference is that ESPN hasn't destroyed their leagues yet.

 

[ZooCougar]

Not sure how far outside the bubble you need to be to hear that. If we had stayed in the AAC for football, we risked losing the $ we received for wbb as SNY was no longer in the picture. Add that to the fact that the AAC was becoming a feeder league for P5 leagues, and we sucked in almost everything but wbb, many thought a change back to the BE was appropriate.

The true perception of UConn is that we're a basketball first school. Like Duke, Kansas, and Kentucky. The only difference is that ESPN hasn't destroyed their leagues yet.

It doesn’t matter why. The perception matters and we didn’t manage it well.

Imagine explaining to recruits and top coaches that we actually care about football when we sacrificed conference football to keep wbb on a regional cable network.

It’s a reasonable red flag.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

So you’re defending Charlton now? Got it.

You've been stealing from Waylon's playbook.

 

[ESLNKY03]

No new likes or tweets or follows in the last 3 days. With the portal as hot as it is, surprised to not see more twitter action from Charlton…a sign he’s done?????

 

[ZooCougar]

You are comparing two schools who are in P4 conferences. It is not remotely close to our situation. You dont think that if Kansas and Duke were in the American and saw that their future was going to be behind a paywall surrounded by a bunch of directional schools they wouldn't make a move?

Sure. But that doesn’t matter. Perception is reality. It’s unfair but it is what it is.

Not being in a conference, any conference is a detriment.

And I would remind everyone that UConn’s first preference was to stay in the AAC as football only. So anyone who says that Indy is part of sone grand strategy is full of it. Indy is us making do.

 

[ZooCougar]

You've been stealing from Waylon's playbook.

When three offensive players hit portal midseason and members of the media are mentioning his unpopularity then I don’t see why it makes sense to challenge the idea that he is unpopular unless you are carrying his water.

 

[uconnfan68]

It doesn’t matter why. The perception matters and we didn’t manage it well.

Imagine explaining to recruits and top coaches that we actually care about football when we sacrificed conference football to keep wbb on a regional cable network.

It’s a reasonable red flag.

So it was OK to lose money for the sake of football? AAC football, where we were the bottom of the league? The AAC was the one that was going to force us to give up money.

 

[ZooCougar]

So it was OK to lose money for the sake of football? AAC football, where we were the bottom of the league? The AAC was the one that was going to force us to give up money.

Yes people outside the bubble might say that. Most people don’t have two elite basketball programs to look after.

Don’t argue with me. Argue with the football coaches who don’t think we have a serious football program.

 

[metsfan2323]

Outside of Lashlee and Weist,

Lashlee had Shirreffs and Weist eventually found his way to Cochran. Isn't amazing how offensive coordinators look so much better when they have good QB's working for them. Shirreffs and Cochran were two of our very best of the FBS era. Do you think we might have had a better functioning offense this year if we had a QB who could run like Shirreffs?

 

[freescooter]

Instead we chose to give it up. The AAC media deal pays about $7 million/school. The Big East pays around $4.5-5 There are also, of course, other sources like NCAA tournament credits, but that is the media base. By the way, this is going, at some point, to be unsustainable for basketball too.

We made a choice. It isn’t sustainable in the long term. The plan needs to be to get football back to respectability then get into a p4 league. I thing joining a league for football only makes short term sense too. Which would you rather be, going 6-6 because you play 4-5 unwinnable games every year or being 11-1 and being talked about for a New Years Day bowl or the CFP playoff because you play 11 G5 games and 1 P4? Even if we go unbeaten in our G5 games next season, a tall order to be sure, we are likely 8-4 and ordinary. Meanwhile, Tulane is 11-1. James Madison is 11-1. Liberty is 10-2. Those teams get that winning brings lots more than competing.

 

[uconnfan68]

Yes people outside the bubble might say that. Most people don’t have two elite basketball programs to look after.

Don’t argue with me. Argue with the football coaches who don’t think we have a serious football program.

Not trying to argue at all. Just trying to understand your point of view, especially regarding perception.

 

[uconnfan68]

Instead we chose to give it up. The AAC media deal pays about $7 million/school. The Big East pays around $4.5-5 There are also, of course, other sources like NCAA tournament credits, but that is the media base. By the way, this is going, at some point, to be unsustainable for basketball too.

We made a choice. It isn’t sustainable in the long term. The plan needs to be to get football back to respectability then get into a p4 league. I thing joining a league for football only makes short term sense too. Which would you rather be, going 6-6 because you play 4-5 unwinnable games every year or being 11-1 and being talked about for a New Years Day bowl or the CFP playoff because you play 11 G5 games and 1 P4? Even if we go unbeaten in our G5 games next season, a tall order to be sure, we are likely 8-4 and ordinary. Meanwhile, Tulane is 11-1. James Madison is 11-1. Liberty is 10-2. Those teams get that winning brings lots more than competing.

By the time we're in a P4 league, things will be P2 only, or even worse, P1 only.

 

[CCSUblue]

Lashlee had Shirreffs and Weist eventually found his way to Cochran. Isn't amazing how offensive coordinators look so much better when they have good QB's working for them. Shirreffs and Cochran were two of our very best of the FBS era. Do you think we might have had a better functioning offense this year if we had a QB who could run like Shirreffs?

Cochran is a huge what could have been. But damn if I'm not proud of him for getting out of the sport before it completely ruined his life.

 

[UConnJim]

Instead we chose to give it up. The AAC media deal pays about $7 million/school. The Big East pays around $4.5-5 There are also, of course, other sources like NCAA tournament credits, but that is the media base. By the way, this is going, at some point, to be unsustainable for basketball too.

Remember, UConn gets ~$1 million from SNY and ~$500k from CBS so the media dollars are comparable with a big savings in travel costs. And, it was obvious that the AAC was a league of schools looking to get out, so it was only a matter of time before the most attractive schools left. If UConn stayed in the AAC, the schedule would have been made up of teams like UAB, FAU, UNC Charlotte, North Texas, UTSA, Tulsa,... Disaster for both football and especially basketball.

Don't get me wrong, UConn needs more money and that means it will be up to the fans to help with donations.

I think moving to independent in football was more attractive than what the AAC became. Our frustration is that the school did not invest in football in years and expected better results which was crazy. For the first time in a decade, I feel that UConn is investing and focusing on football. LT, we are hoping that UConn will be in a conference with like schools and I feel that is coming.

 

[giddyup]

If Charlton isn’t canned it tells you the school has no intention of doing anything but showing up to games. School is very comfortable with failure on the grid iron.