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It is not an issue of right or wrong. It is not an issue of importance or not importance. It is probably not an issue of respect or disrespect.

It is an issue of bias. [edit- possibly a click bait driven article, as UConn, like Clark, last year, is a polarizing topic]
 
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If you look down ESPN’s projected top 25 for next season, there at #17 is ND, a team that right now doesn’t have enough players to field a basketball team. At present, the Irish have only 3 returning players, one of whom started, and 1 incoming freshman.

I guess Hidalgo should average around 65 ppg next season……;)
 
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oldude said:
If you look down ESPN’s projected top 25 for next season, there at #17 is ND, a team that right now doesn’t have enough players to field a basketball team. At present, the Irish have only 3 returning players, one of whom started, and 1 incoming freshman.

I guess Hidalgo should average around 65 ppg next season……;)
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ND is about to be Hannah Hidalgo vs everybody I guess:confused:
 
Barkin Out said:
Sorry Charlie, you seem to be in enmeshed in bias fog - someone wearing a championship ring should slap you out of it. UConn returns the FF MOP. Go back and look at the number of times a team has won a championship and returned the FF MOP- and were ranked below 1 preseason.
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Do you actually know the number or was this just rhetorical?

Just off the top of my head, A'ja Wilson was 2017 FF MOP and her team was ranked #4 in the preseason AP poll of 2017-18. I'm sure it's happened other times as well.
 
oldude said:
If you look down ESPN’s projected top 25 for next season, there at #17 is ND, a team that right now doesn’t have enough players to field a basketball team. At present, the Irish have only 3 returning players, one of whom started, and 1 incoming freshman.

I guess Hidalgo should average around 65 ppg next season……;)
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Well, it is modern times! It is very possible, LIKELY PROBABLE, that the Irish will go out to the portal and buy themselves one heck of a good team. LSU is losing players ... so just buy more! Both USC schools, in a position that they need to buy more. Staley indicated in her interview yesterday afternoon when asked about next year and the number of players that are graduating So. Car., that she needs to get back to Columbia and start recruiting, FROM THE PORTAL.
 
oldude said:
If you look down ESPN’s projected top 25 for next season, there at #17 is ND, a team that right now doesn’t have enough players to field a basketball team. At present, the Irish have only 3 returning players, one of whom started, and 1 incoming freshman.

I guess Hidalgo should average around 65 ppg next season……;)
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Yeah, there's a lot of thought and analysis put into these articles. :confused: If ND can pick up a couple mid major transfers they could shoot up into the top 5. :p
 
Charlie should retire or rank corn toss or something else. For he and his partners giving UConn a 2 seed when they beat up SC on their home court was disrespectful. Stop with the strength of schedule when you have a head to head sample —occurring late in the season —which similar losses and when UConn was fully healthy ( Azzi )
Even Vegas knew it was a joke making UConn big favorites over every 1 seed.
How is that possible if they were correct -
and now he has us ranked 3 with 2 potential all Americans and great role players.
KK and KC is an equal trade off. Can Azzi replace Paige 20 ppg —- yes
Can ash replace Azzi with 12/13 ppg - yes
Jana keeps progressing as well as Sarah with a strong bench.
Look out.
 
JBK said:
Charlie should retire or rank corn toss or something else. For he and his partners giving UConn a 2 seed when they beat up SC on their home court was disrespectful. Stop with the strength of schedule when you have a head to head sample —occurring late in the season —which similar losses and when UConn was fully healthy ( Azzi )
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Again, his role was and is to predict the committee's bracket. It's not his personal ranking or his personal prediction of who will win. Separately he actually predicted UConn to reach the Final Four. Bracketology is his projection of the committee's decisions, a projection that was mighty accurate I might add.

Why are people in this constant state of ginned up outrage over someone's accurate bracketology predictions? Is there really such a psychological need to feel constantly disrespected?
 
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Rowdy831 said:
Creme is an overhyped blowhard. When he put SC above UConn in the bracket he showed his ignorance or bias, I'm not sure which. …

To expect him to get any smarter in two weeks time doesn't make sense either. If any team other than UConn is number one then he is just another ESPN hack with an agenda.
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His own personal prediction was that UConn would be in the FF and title game. His bracket prediction was guessing what a committee of people that were not him would do. Turns out he was pretty smart.

Did not see yours @Plebe .

See above @JBK
 
yhun89 said:
Love how ESPN just had these articles ready to post the SECOND the natty is won.
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Yes, that's how media coverage works.

Are you similarly surprised when the media has an obituary posted minutes after a famous old person dies?
 
Plebe said:
Again, his role was and is to predict the committee's bracket. It's not his personal ranking or his personal prediction of who will win. Separately he actually predicted UConn to reach the Final Four. Bracketology is his projection of the committee's decisions, a projection that was mighty accurate I might add.

Why are people in this constant state of ginned up outrage over someone's accurate bracketology predictions? Is there really such a psychological need to feel constantly disrespected?
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Your second paragraph articulates what I feel so many times when I read posts on this forum !! lol well done
 
oldude said:
If you look down ESPN’s projected top 25 for next season, there at #17 is ND, a team that right now doesn’t have enough players to field a basketball team. At present, the Irish have only 3 returning players, one of whom started, and 1 incoming freshman.

I guess Hidalgo should average around 65 ppg next season……
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good on the 65 if you include shots turnovers flops
 
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I believe he picked South Carolina to beat us.
Not very accurate
With us being Nat champs it is a fun discussion and no need to argue. My opinion is the committee and some of these advisors are biased on the big east and the teams that represent — some years they may be more accurate but many not so much. Sending UConn to Spokane made it more difficult to win this year and the road for Carolina very easy — that did bother me and I did not agree and believe Geno was not very pleased as well
Being in Tampa last week was amazing to see UConn Nation show up in FL and I believe was even larger than SC.
Great support.
Crème ranking us 3 for next year is a bit pre mature and we should have gotten the benefit of the doubt so early
 
yhun89 said:
Love how ESPN just had these articles ready to post the SECOND the natty is won.
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I know. Visit wbb at CBSsports.com. They are more gracious and acknowledging of UConn's accomplishment. ESPN seems to be burying yesterday's event with next year's maybe's, gambling odds and even an article about South Carolina's (??!!) focus on next season.
 
Bone Dog said:
I’m looking forward to the return of the posters who claim that the NC winner must be the preseason #1 because they deserve it. Like the change in personnel has no relevance.
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Ordinarily Dog, I would wag my tail...no, nod my head and say...this guy is on to something.
But, in this case...nah!

We just obliterated two teams (supposedly) ranked ahead of us by an average of over 25 points...
Doesn't that count for anything?

In those 2 games, Paige scored an average of 16.5 points
So we lose those points and still have an 8 point cushion.

I understand that this is an enormous simplification...and far from any reality...
and ordinarily, I don't do this type of theoretical analysis, bullcrap...

But the obliteration aspect strikes a chord with me...SC and Dawn came out with a chip on their shoulder from the beating they took earlier...But by the 3rd quarter...or in it...when it was clear, that they couldn't run their offense in the face of our disrupting D, they were beat... and body language was in full negative display...The rest was garbage time.

How they could be ranked ahead of us is a form of ignorance...even insanity.
 
I recall reading just a couple weeks ago ... quad 1 wins, .... quad 1 wins, ... quad ..., quad ..., quad ..., quad ..., quad ..., quad ..., quad ...,

As if that was the sole reason or rational the Committee uses for determining the backet.
 
Plebe said:
Do you actually know the number or was this just rhetorical?

Just off the top of my head, A'ja Wilson was 2017 FF MOP and her team was ranked #4 in the preseason AP poll of 2017-18. I'm sure it's happened other times as well.
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Just off the top of my head, you named one instance. I’d be willing to bet the vast majority of champions begin the next season at #1 unless they are completely decimated by graduation/injury. As has been previously pointed out, we completely dominated the two teams he ranked above us with Paige having very average games in both instances!
 
Cuango said:
Just off the top of my head, you named one instance. I’d be willing to bet the vast majority of champions begin the next season at #1 unless they are completely decimated by graduation/injury. As has been previously pointed out, we completely dominated the two teams he ranked above us with Paige having very average games in both instances!
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Maybe he also saw her score 40 and 31 in the Sweet 16 and Elite Eight games, one of which we didn't exactly completely dominate.

Maybe, just maybe, he thinks Paige's impact on winning extends far beyond her measurable stats. Would we really disagree with that?

But again, can we not just enjoy this fabulous victory without indulging the need to feel persecuted?
 
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SLY63 said:
Agree with everything said here. Losing Paige, but returning such a strong core (no pun intended). Should keep us at #1. My question to Charlie would be, "Given the core of Strong, Fudd, Shade and Arnold, tell me a team with more offensive punch AND we are losing much less on D than on O with Paige leaving."
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Totally agree Sly. The heart and soul of our defense is coming back. Every reason to think we will have easily the best D in WCBB. With Azzi and Sarah our offense ought to be at least among the best, so I really like our chances. But I love the idea of going in not ranked #1.
 
lol. Yeah Paige was terrible at defense. That's why when we went to the small lineup Paige was often guarding at the 4-spot and yet she managed to never get into foul trouble despite have to play someone bigger and stronger.

It's funny. Some fans will tell you all year how great all these players are, but then once they leave, they didn't matter. I look forward to hearing about starter and leader K Chen didnt do very much.
 
Vowelguy said:
lol. Yeah Paige was terrible at defense. That's why when we went to the small lineup Paige was often guarding at the 4-spot and yet she managed to never get into foul trouble despite have to play someone bigger and stronger.

It's funny. Some fans will tell you all year how great all these players are, but then once they leave, they didn't matter. I look forward to hearing about starter and leader K Chen didnt do very much.
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Paige is a great defender, no doubt. But imo Sarah and KK were our best defenders, while Azzi and Ash, like Paige, are excellent on D. Imo, we had far and away the best defense in the country and I don’t see a big drop off next year on D.

But don’t get me wrong, Paige is a huge loss and Crème’s ranking is totally plausible. I just see it a bit differently.
 
Sluconn Husky said:
Everyone's favorite post-season discussion.....

The defending champs come in 3rd. Somehow UCLA is #1.

Creme doesn't appear to know about Blanca Quinonez either.

www.espn.com

Women's NCAA basketball Way-Too-Early Top 25: Who is No. 1?

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I see a UConn Back to Back. Sorry Charlie, but you got it wrong again.
 
JBK said:
Charlie should retire or rank corn toss or something else. For he and his partners giving UConn a 2 seed when they beat up SC on their home court was disrespectful. Stop with the strength of schedule when you have a head to head sample —occurring late in the season —which similar losses and when UConn was fully healthy ( Azzi )
Even Vegas knew it was a joke making UConn big favorites over every 1 seed.
How is that possible if they were correct -
and now he has us ranked 3 with 2 potential all Americans and great role players.
KK and KC is an equal trade off. Can Azzi replace Paige 20 ppg —- yes
Can ash replace Azzi with 12/13 ppg - yes
Jana keeps progressing as well as Sarah with a strong bench.
Look out.
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It is clear that you don’t understand at all what Charlie Creme is doing. He is merely predicting what the committee will do, and he is doing a good job of that.
 
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