Charl. Gazzette WVU, UofL (as was TCU only schools being seriously discussed

[Rumrunner]

"One very reliable source told me TCU, WVU and Louisville have been the only schools seriously discussed within Big 12 circles. TCU, of course, has already been lassoed."

http://wvgazette.com/Sports/WVU/201110180248

10 or 12. That is the question.

 

[ctchamps]

Nelson would say this reporter earns the Beg Harder award.

 

[junglehusky]

So I thought I saw some reporting that indicated - perhaps erroneously - media rights were included within the ten million exit fee. This reporter stating there's the ten mil PLUS loss of rights. I'd like to see something definitive here... if the Big12-3+1 decides not to +2 to get back to 12, and the media contract gets written in blood, things might actually get locked down for a few years.

 

[Adios]

Now why would the Big XII want these schools? They are so lowly ranked.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

If Missouri leaves, and the Big 12 adds WVU and UL as the "only teams being discussed", that is 11 teams, not 12. Math is hard.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

If realignment is all about football, as so many on this board claim, why is Louisville clearly the front-runner over WVU?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

The NY Times had an article this morning (I'll look for it later) which among other things stated that the B-12 is strongly leaning towards stopping at ten members (fewer mouths to feed, no conference title game) and BYU appears to be the leader (I'm not sure who has better sources, the Times or the WVGazette, but they are contradicting each other).

It also has a comment from Marinatto hoping the remaining membership stays firm with the BE. I like his strategy: "Hope Harder!".

 

[tzznandrew]

If realignment is all about football, as so many on this board claim, why is Louisville clearly the front-runner over WVU?

Louisville is geographically close, and a better program than just about any other out there (they aren't going to take Boise or UCF, Texas is blocking SMU/Houston--WVU and Cincy only if Louisville comes in so there's some geographic coherence).

 

[tzznandrew]

Now why would the Big XII want these schools? They are so lowly ranked.

???

West Virginia is a good program. Not great, but good. The BE's best. Academically, the ACC won't take them, but they are a better school than Tech and KState, so they can fit comfortably into the Big 12. Nobodies knocking WVU if they are your 3-4 best school (behind Texas and OU).

Louisville fits a geographic coherence. They add to basketball, and had made football upgrades. Taking this into consideration, they're better than any team but Boise, and they aren't going to take Boise. Again, Louisville is a solid program to be mid-to-bottom of your football league. With the additions we would be making, they would be one of the better programs, and that's a problem for a BCS league.

BYU would be a better option, perhaps, but they present issues about when and how they can play games.

 

[CTGoonie]

Shouldn't we root for UL to leave? That would mean the b-ball only's would break off forcing ND's hand right?

 

[Excalibur]

We don't know that it forces ND's hand. UL leaving makes it probably more likely that we are left out.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

First Pitt and Syracuse to the ACC, and now Louisville at the top of the list for the Big 12. The Big East will have been raided (at ESPN's direction) of 3 of its top 4 hoops programs, two of which, Louisville and Syracuse, are the two worst football programs in the Big East since realignment.

Doesn't football drive the bus?

 

[UCHuskies08]

Shouldn't we root for UL to leave? That would mean the b-ball only's would break off forcing ND's hand right?

That's a pretty big gamble.

I don't think it "forces" ND's hand at all - because at the end of the day their decisions will defer to their football team. Yeah, they want their BB team to be relevant, but do you really feel that confident that the BE falling apart will make them join the ACC? I don't.

 

[The Funster]

I don't think the BB's would really leave. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot and they are just beginning to realize it.

 

[JaYnYcE]

"One very reliable source told me TCU, WVU and Louisville have been the only schools seriously discussed within Big 12 circles. TCU, of course, has already been lassoed."

http://wvgazette.com/Sports/WVU/201110180248

10 or 12. That is the question.

Do you have a daytime job?


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[JaYnYcE]

Math is hard.

This is another reason why people make fun of you, and create a thread dedicated to you. You may be the most sarcastic, condescending poster on the boneyard.


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[JaYnYcE]

Louisville and Syracuse, are the two worst football programs in the Big East since realignment.

This isn't true, under Petrino Louiville had 2 very good seasons in 2005 and 2006.



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[tzznandrew]

I wanted to see if Waylon's suggestion that Louisville and Syracuse were the two worst schools in football since the merger. I didn't doubt Syracuse, but I remembered Louisville being a football addition we were all excited about. He's right, although they are far more competitive than, say, Syracuse, and, unlike USF and Rutgers, have been to a BCS bowl game. Unlike UConn, they have won a BE title outright.

Anyway, below are their records from 2005-2010, followed by an overall standings.

Louisville:

2005: 5-2
2006: 6-1
2007: 3-4
2008: 1-6
2009: 1-6
2010: 3-4

Total: 19-23
Ave. Season: 3-4

Syracuse:

2005: 0-7
2006: 1-6
2007: 1-6
2008: 1-6
2009: 1-6
2010: 4-3

Total: 8-34
Ave. Season: 1-6

Pitt:

2005: 4-3
2006: 2-5
2007: 3-4
2008: 5-2
2009: 5-2
2010: 5-2

Total: 24-18
Ave. Season: 4-3

Connecticut:

2005: 2-5
2006: 1-6
2007: 5-2
2008: 3-4
2009: 3-4
2010: 5-2

Total: 19-23
Ave. Season: 3-4

Cincy:

2005: 2-5
2006: 4-3
2007: 4-3
2008: 6-1
2009: 7-0
2010: 2-5

Total: 25-17
Ave. Season: 4-3

West Virginia:

2005: 7-0
2006: 5-2
2007: 5-2
2008: 5-2
2009: 5-2
2010: 5-2

Total: 32-10
Average: 5-2

Rutgers:

2005: 4-3
2006: 5-2
2007: 3-4
2008: 5-2
2009: 3-4
2010: 1-6

Total: 21-21
Average: 3.5-3.5

USF:

2005: 4-3
2006: 4-3
2007: 4-3
2008: 2-5
2009: 3-4
2010: 3-4

Total:20-22
Average: 3-4

BE Standings Since the Merger*:

1. West Virginia 32-10 .762 W%
2. Cincinnati 25-17 .595 (7 GB)
3. Pittsburgh 24-18 .571 (8 GB)
4. Rutgers 21-21 .500 (11 GB)
5. USF 20-22 .476 (12 GB)
6. UConn** 19-23 .452 (13 GB)
7. Louisville 19-23 .452 (13 GB)
8. Syracuse 8-34 .190 (24 GB)

*This seasons records are not counted. If they were, UConn ties USF at 20-24, and therefore jump to #5 due to more league titles. That's the only notable difference.
**Tie goes to UConn for tying for two league titles as opposed to Louisville's one.

 

[JaYnYcE]

He's wrong. Going by your above mentioned research UCONN and Ville both average the same win/loss record in conference.


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[MarbleheadHusky]

First Pitt and Syracuse to the ACC, and now Louisville at the top of the list for the Big 12. The Big East will have been raided (at ESPN's direction) of 3 of its top 4 hoops programs, two of which, Louisville and Syracuse, are the two worst football programs in the Big East since realignment.

Doesn't football drive the bus?

Nelson - Are you 12? When Louisville came on board with Petrino, they were one of the most exciting teams in Big East. Consistantly near the top, highly ranked and with great non-conference wins as well. They expanded their stadium and I really liked were they were going... before hiring Kragthorpe. I will admit, they have not been the same the last 4 years since that awful hire, but to state that Louisville has been one of the two worst football progrmas in the Big East since realignement is short sited and ignorant. I would go as far as to say that the first 3 or 4 years after 2003, it was their record and rankings that probably helped retain our BCS status.

 

[tzznandrew]

He's wrong. Going by your above mentioned research UCONN and Ville both average the same win/loss record in conference.

If you were to pick a second worst team in the BE after Syracuse, it would be between UConn and Louisville on record. I'd go with Louisville as UConn has two BE titles. USF has a better record, but I guess you can throw them in the mix as, unlike Louisville and UConn, they don't have a BE title.

It's close, closer than I thought.

 

[businesslawyer]

But, of course, that is for the entire time period since the CUSA three joined the Big East. If you were to look at the last three years, or four years, instead of the full six, on the assumption that more recent performance is more meaningful than less recent performance, UConn moves up and LV moves down.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Nelson - Are you 12? When Louisville came on board with Petrino, they were one of the most exciting teams in Big East. Consistantly near the top, highly ranked and with great non-conference wins as well. They expanded their stadium and I really liked were they were going... before hiring Kragthorpe. I will admit, they have not been the same the last 4 years since that awful hire, but to state that Louisville has been one of the two worst football progrmas in the Big East since realignement is short sited and ignorant. I would go as far as to say that the first 3 or 4 years after 2003, it was their record and rankings that probably helped retain our BCS status.

See, math really is hard. As the other poster pointed out, Louisville has one of the two worst records in the Big East since realignment. Is there some other measure we should use? Height perhaps?

As for Petrino's Louisville teams, I am pretty sure he is coach at Arkansas now. The Louisville I see has home losses to Marshall and Florida International. And is at the top of the list for Big 12 Expansion.

Maybe football doesn't drive the bus.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

He's wrong. Going by your above mentioned research UCONN and Ville both average the same win/loss record in conference.

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Florida International and Marshall say "hi".

 

[businesslawyer]

Or, maybe football does drive the bus but that doesn't mean that finding the strongest team on the field is what is driving the football decisions. The XII might reasonably make this decision entirely on football, but might want a team closer geographically and might want a team that is not going to be as big a threat on the field as WVU.