Chad Ford: "Drummond Could Be Stud or Bust"

[nomar]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog...raft-andre-drummond-dwight-howard-kwame-brown

Look for Chad's upcoming columns: "The Next President Could be a Democrat or a Republican" and "The World Will End in 2012 Like the Mayans Prophesized or That Could Just Be a Bunch of Hooey."

Boy is this guy good.

 

[Gurleyman]

In fairness to Chad Ford, that was just one of six categories that he put draft picks into. He has a tiering system:

1) Could Be Stud or Could Be Bust
2) Might Work Out or Might Not
3) Could Be Star At NBA Level or Could Flame Out
4) May Keep Getting Better or May Have Hit Ceiling
5) Potential For Greatness, But Might Not Fulfill It
6) Could Dominate, If He Gets In Right Situation

Excellent sign that Ford put him in tier one.

 

[Letsgohuskies11]

might have lunch or dinner tommrow

doris burke might be a man or woman

 

[Chin Diesel]

In fairness to Chad Ford, that was just one of six categories that he put draft picks into. He has a tiering system:

1) Could Be Stud or Could Be Bust
2) Might Work Out or Might Not
3) Could Be Star At NBA Level or Could Flame Out
4) May Keep Getting Better or May Have Hit Ceiling
5) Possible Star or Possible Flameout
6) Could Dominate, If He Gets In Right Situation

Excellent sign that Ford put him in tier one.

I get the point Ford was trying to make, but to be honest, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference in any of those six categories. Kinda like saying the same thing six different ways. None of those statements is much different than the other five. Their all pretty much the same thing. #2 and #4 aren't much different than #1, #3, #5 or #6. I wouldn't call them tiers as much as regurgitations.

 

[Gurleyman]

Man. You had to quote me before I cleaned up the 3 and 5 "same joke twice" problem, didn't you?

 

[Huskies4ever]

doris burke might be a man or woman

Kinda surprised you didn't go with Brittany Griner (sorry - I couldn't resist)

 

[Dogbreath2U]

Man. You had to quote me before I cleaned up the 3 and 5 "same joke twice" problem, didn't you?

Wow, some real slippage in your game. I wonder if it is due to a lack of heart, desire, laziness, commitment, smarts, or experience? You should have all the experience needed, but that list thing is kind of new and could be confusing.

 

[UCHuskies08]

I get the point Ford was trying to make, but to be honest, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference in any of those six categories. Kinda like saying the same thing six different ways. None of those statements is much different than the other five. Their all pretty much the same thing. #2 and #4 aren't much different than #1, #3, #5 or #6. I wouldn't call them tiers as much as regurgitations.

That was the whole point of the joke....

 

[Prezidint]

Not a fan boy of Chad, but saying a guy who's going 2 in the draft may be a stud or a bust is not as all inclusive as it seems.

For example, nobody said John Wall would be a stud or a bust. He was going to be a stud or a really good player.
Same thing with Anthony Davis. The guy is either going to be a Duncan-esque stud or a very, very good player. That may have been doubtful 6 months ago, but there's little or no doubt now.

Robinson is either going to be a very good NBA player or a good role player. Unlikely to be an NBA stud, but unlikely to fail out entirely.

And so on.



Saying that Andre will be a stud or a dud means that Chad sees no middle ground. It's all or none, sink or swim.

I actually agree. I think Andre either learns how to play with fire, or he's going to disappear in the NBA, athleticism or not. While he's wildly athletic, there are plenty of very athletic guys in the NBA who are extremely well motivated.

ABynum had 30 boards the other day and is willing to shank you when you come inside to stop the easy lay in.

How does everybody here feel Drummond is going to react to getting his ass knocked to the ground by the biggest bad ass in the NBA 2 minutes into the 1st quarter?

If he gets up angry, stud. If he pulls a Thabeet (post Blair) and rolls around like he was shot with a 30-06 round, then bust.

I'm not buying into the whole, "he's too athletic to bust," recitation. NBA is a long, long season, with many, many, big, big guys who are going to put an elbow in your mouth every trip up the floor.

Gumby better turn into Godzilla or it could be ugly.

 

[Kitaman]

If you do draft him at #2 then it could be a huge mistake.
If you don't draft him #2 then it could be a huge mistake.

 

[Donyell]

Hey come on now, I told you guys to lay off Doris , she is my baby. I luv her.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Not a fan boy of Chad, but saying a guy who's going 2 in the draft may be a stud or a bust is not as all inclusive as it seems.

For example, nobody said John Wall would be a stud or a bust. He was going to be a stud or a really good player.
Same thing with Anthony Davis. The guy is either going to be a Duncan-esque stud or a very, very good player. That may have been doubtful 6 months ago, but there's little or no doubt now.

Robinson is either going to be a very good NBA player or a good role player. Unlikely to be an NBA stud, but unlikely to fail out entirely.

And so on.

Saying that Andre will be a stud or a dud means that Chad sees no middle ground. It's all or none, sink or swim.

I actually agree. I think Andre either learns how to play with fire, or he's going to disappear in the NBA, athleticism or not. While he's wildly athletic, there are plenty of very athletic guys in the NBA who are extremely well motivated.

ABynum had 30 boards the other day and is willing to shank you when you come inside to stop the easy lay in.

How does everybody here feel Drummond is going to react to getting his ass knocked to the ground by the biggest bad ass in the NBA 2 minutes into the 1st quarter?

If he gets up angry, stud. If he pulls a Thabeet (post Blair) and rolls around like he was shot with a 30-06 round, then bust.

I'm not buying into the whole, "he's too athletic to bust," recitation. NBA is a long, long season, with many, many, big, big guys who are going to put an elbow in your mouth every trip up the floor.

Gumby better turn into Godzilla or it could be ugly.

Of course. But after watching Jeff Withy pretty much handle Davis in the NC game and eliminite his offense, I'm inclined to believe that Drummond has considerably more upside than Davis. Davis doesn't even have a frame that can hold enough weight to allow him to handle a guy like Bynum. Ever. Drummond's issues are mental. I think Davis is a taller Scottie Pippin, without the outside shot. I'm not sure what he'll be at the next level. He needs 30 pounds at least to handle NBA 4's and 50 pounds to handle 5's. Maybe he'd be like Marcus Camby. I see Drummond as much more like Duncan than Davis is. The best bet for Davis, if his offense improves a ton and he adds the 30 pounds, is to be a long, slim 4 like Garnett. But I dont' see it.

I think Andre's draft position will depend on who gets the top picks in the lottery. Any team that is close to being a contender might prefer a Robinson at #2 or #3, knowing he can probably contribute and play with the big boys on day 1. A team with nothing to build on could and should gamble on Drummond. Two critical things for Andre. Who is his coach, and who is his mentor on his team?

 

[Chin Diesel]

I get the point Ford was trying to make, 1. but to be honest, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference in any of those six categories.2. Kinda like saying the same thing six different ways. 3. None of those statements is much different than the other five.4. Their all pretty much the same thing. 5. #2 and #4 aren't much different than #1, #3, #5 or #6. 6. I wouldn't call them tiers as much as regurgitations.

That was the whole point of the joke....

I got his joke, did you get mine.

Try reading most threads like a Calvin & Hobbes or Farside comic and it's much easier.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Far upside: Shaq
Reasonable projection: Bynum
Downside: Kwame

The thing holding Drummond back is his lack of a will to dominate. Shaq didn't need skills. He couldn't hit anything outside of 6 feet and couldn't hit free throws.

It's a big question mark whether Andre ever develops that will. I, for one, don't see it happening. Skills you can develop; attitude you cannot.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Drummond will have a long and very productive NBA career. He is one of the safest bets to come out of UConn in our history. Caron Butler was the last player that was this much of a lock to be a good pro.

 

[jibsey]

Bynum 6 years later at age 24 has come into his own. When Andre has 4 to 5 years of development he will be a star. He has the raw physical gifts. He will develop all of the post moves in time ie; his baseline move. He will be a stronger and dominant player. And yes he will make FT's.

 

[defense]

I hope AD is successful, but I agree with Tenspro in that he lacks the will. You can coach up fundamentals, but it's very difficult to teach the eye of the tiger mentality. That has to come from within and thus far AD has not shown that.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

I dont get this thread. There are enough athletic big men with undeveloped offensive games flourishing in the NBA to think that Drummond will be a contributor from day one, especially in the more wide open NBA game.