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Catch the ball in the end zone. Kneel down. Go to the 25.

Husky25 said:
My mea culpa is further down the thread.
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Yep saw it after -sorry. The rule that nobody knows in high school and college is that you can’t advance a muff.

Nothing got me yelled at more as an official than parents thinking I stole a touchdown by blowing muffs dead.
 
whaler11 said:
Yep saw it after -sorry. The rule that nobody knows in high school and college is that you can’t advance a muff.

Nothing got me yelled at more as an official than parents thinking I stole a touchdown by blowing muffs dead.
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No issues.

I probably fall into the same category as 80% or more of football fans. Especially in the Northeast.

Other than 1 foot in bounds, 15 yard Pass interference, and stopped clock after a 1st down, I pretty much apply NFL rules to every level of football.

That and any 50/50 call will go against UConn.
 
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You give up a few yards to offer yourself the ability to take one to the house. Or fumble.

Somebody has determined the risk reward.

Skanes is a burner so Randy figured out it was worth it.
 
whaler11 said:
Yep saw it after -sorry. The rule that nobody knows in high school and college is that you can’t advance a muff.

Nothing got me yelled at more as an official than parents thinking I stole a touchdown by blowing muffs dead.
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You said "blowing muffs" hehehe
 
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Palatine said:
How many times do we need to see the ball run out of the end zone to the 15 or 20 yard line before someone realizes we are losing 5 to 10 yards on virtually every kick off return?
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Skanes did pretty good against USF... not as good at UCF... but it's refreshing to see. Before this season we hadn't done much of that in over 3 years.... Means were paying attention to special teams a little more now....
 
ktuck911 said:
Skanes did pretty good against USF... not as good at UCF... but it's refreshing to see. Before this season we hadn't done much of that in over 3 years.... Means were paying attention to special teams a little more now....
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What are you talking about? KO returns to the 22 have been a UConn staple for years.
 
Palatine said:
There are two guys deep. It's the job of the man who is not catching the ball to tell the player receiving the ball if he is in the end zone.
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Is that really the reason for the second guy? You always see him putting up the stop sign. Is the return man not supposed to look down and see if he’s in the end zone?
 
I think returning kickoffs and punts is part of the culture change at UConn to eradicate the passivity of Diaco. If we return a kick from the end zone and end up on the 22 yard line, I'll accept it as we have seen what happens when passivity sets in.

During Edsall 1.0, punt returns and kickoff returns were important parts of the game. In 2010, we had 3 returns (punt + kickoff) for TDs and in 2009, we had 4 returns for TDs. During the Diaco years, we had o returns for TDs. Look at UConn's kick return rankings:

2017: 42nd Edsall 2.0

2016: 103th Diaco
2015: 108th Diaco
2014: 89th Diaco

2010: 3rd Edsall 1.0
2009: 9th Edsall 1.0
2008: 61st Edsall 1.0

Yes, the NCAA changed the kickoff rules in 2012 to discourage kickoff returns, but I still think kickoff and punt returns are still integral to the game.
 
UConnJim said:
During the Diaco years, we had o returns for TDs.
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No. There was one. The Stony Brook punter put a 70 yard foot into one and it was returned for a TD.
 
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If we had Larry Taylor, then I would be all for returning KOs out of the end zone. But you need a dynamic player - a weapon- like Taylor to make it worthwhile. Skanes has a lot of quickness but his top lineend speed hasn't been that impressive. Same when Newsome was back there. We have had a few that deserved to be given a chance, Nick Williams, Jordan Todman, but those guys had the ability to bring it back all the way.

But without a weapon at returner, take a knee is the smart play.
 
Palatine said:
If we had Larry Taylor, then I would be all for returning KOs out of the end zone. But you need a dynamic player - a weapon- like Taylor to make it worthwhile. Skanes has a lot of quickness but his top lineend speed hasn't been that impressive. Same when Newsome was back there. We have had a few that deserved to be given a chance, Nick Williams, Jordan Todman, but those guys had the ability to bring it back all the way.

But without a weapon at returner, take a knee is the smart play.
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Yup. Fair catch inside your own 5 is the way to go.

So happy you are in the stands and not wearing a headset.
 
Many people are missing the point of trying to return a kick.

Your chances of scoring on an offensive possession do not change measurably if you start at the 25 yard line vs the 22 yard line. Literally no measurable difference. However, there is a measurable difference if your kick return gets you past your own 40 yard line, or better yet, goes all the way for a touchdown.

That's why you do it. Not to get to the 26 yard line. It's to change your statistical chance for a score...
 
Shocked that O'Reilly saw his first action as a kick returner, in this game, in the rain. Not sure whose bright idea that was.

Newsome splits enough time with Mensah that I'd much prefer to see him back there. Glad they switched to Skaynes at least after the O'Reilly fumble.
 
UConnDan97 said:
Many people are missing the point of trying to return a kick.

Your chances of scoring on an offensive possession do not change measurably if you start at the 25 yard line vs the 22 yard line. Literally no measurable difference. However, there is a measurable difference if your kick return gets you past your own 40 yard line, or better yet, goes all the way for a touchdown.

That's why you do it. Not to get to the 26 yard line. It's to change your statistical chance for a score...
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Solution for UConn . . . recruit better talent. FCS players do not consistently get the better of FBS caliber players. We see thks week in and week out in all phases of the game.
 
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TouchdownHusky said:
Solution for UConn . . . recruit better talent. FCS players do not consistently get the better of FBS caliber players. We see thks week in and week out in all phases of the game.
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What the heck does that comment have to do with the philosophy of returning punts???
 
UConnDan97 said:
That's why you do it. Not to get to the 26 yard line. It's to change your statistical chance for a score...
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But in this case the increase in the chance of a score probably isn't worth the chance of a turnover. Nevermind adding in the cumulative ground lost.
 
UConnDan97 said:
Many people are missing the point of trying to return a kick.

Your chances of scoring on an offensive possession do not change measurably if you start at the 25 yard line vs the 22 yard line. Literally no measurable difference. However, there is a measurable difference if your kick return gets you past your own 40 yard line, or better yet, goes all the way for a touchdown.

That's why you do it. Not to get to the 26 yard line. It's to change your statistical chance for a score...
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TouchdownHusky said:
Solution for UConn . . . recruit better talent. FCS players do not consistently get the better of FBS caliber players. We see thks week in and week out in all phases of the game.
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UConnDan97 said:
What the heck does that comment have to do with the philosophy of returning punts???
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The point? You mentioned getting to the 26 yard line to change the statistical chance for a score. Well, UConn could better improve their odds of winning by recruiting better athletes that were capable of doing a lot more than bringing the ball out to the 26 yard line - or even the 40.
 
Waquoit said:
But in this case the increase in the chance of a score probably isn't worth the chance of a turnover. Nevermind adding in the cumulative ground lost.
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If we are more concerned about turnovers on a kick off (not punt return, only kickoff), then we should never run our pass either. A ball carrier has to be trusted with not losing the ball when being tackled, or else he shouldn't be a ball carrier...
 
TouchdownHusky said:
The point? You mentioned getting to the 26 yard line to change the statistical chance for a score. Well, UConn could better improve their odds of winning by recruiting better athletes that were capable of doing a lot more than bringing the ball out to the 26 yard line - or even the 40.
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I said you DON'T increase your chances by getting to the 26. Read the post again...
 
JMick said:
it's hard to catch the ball in the end zone when it's coming down at the 2 or 3 yard line.

we are one of the best kickoff return units in the country, 75th percentile. stop finding stupid things to complain about and go take a nap
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Let it land and bounce.
 
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11 games in there are what 3k things more impactful on being 3-8 than a handful of short kickoff returns?

For example: tackling. That would be something I’d focus on before ever thinking about if this is an ‘issue’.
 
Palatine said:
Read my post, why are you such an idiot?
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You must be able to see your reflection in your monitor.

Read mine. To go along with the linked post, not one of BC's kickoffs went the requisite 65 yards to reach the endzone for a touchback (64 yards, 63, 56, 61, 63, 63).

If the ball does not make it across the end line, it's either a moot point or UConn's offense takes the field inside the 5.

Oblong balls make funny bounces. If it hits the ground, it may cross the goal line, but it may not. If it does not, it is a live ball and the returner has to scramble to field it. IF they successfully do so, UConn starts with bad field position anyway. If they follow your philosophy, they might as well ensure possession and kneel. Apparently you did not have enough of that on punt returns during the Diaco years. You want to extend it to kickoff returns.
 
There was a play where Skanes practically dove out of bounds to catch a kickoff that would have gone out of bounds giving us the ball on the 35. I think he brought it back to the 12.
 
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