Can anyone link to a post about what is going on?

[upstater]

I read like 15 threads referencing some event that's not laid out in any concise way in any of the threads. Something going on beyond rumor regarding Big12 and ACC?

 

[junglehusky]

It's speculation based on the announcement of the new B12/SEC bowl game. Here is an analysis by Thamel. It's pretty obvious that this marginalizes the ACC/BE/everybody else... the rest is trying to predict events in an uncertain environment. Donald Rumsfeld's unknowable unknowns, and all that.

 

[epark88]

I'll go on the assumption that you're not being facetious and offer you this link.

The big hullabaloo is that the Big12 and SEC are setting a new paradigm in motion: CFB conferences creating their own bowls, sending them out on the open market for bid and pocketing the money. And depending on how the playoff discussions go in a few weeks, this bowl could possibly factor in as a semifinal game.

With the B1G and PAC12 already ensconced in the Rose bowl, this is essentially the beginning of the four-power-conference model everyone's been dreading - and in that model the ACC, Big East and Notre Dame are conspicuously omitted. That includes, for the time being, FSU and Clemson.

If there wasn't enough FSU/Clemson-to-the-B12 smoke for you before yesterday, don't worry: you'll see plenty of it now in the coming weeks. Might even see some flames, too...

 

[upstater]

Thanks, not being facetious at all. Just wondering what everyone was referencing. News isn't big, IMO. Same old same old, 4 team playoff. Check. These extra bowls are for teams not in the playoff. Sheen is off Rose Bowl and this new bowl.

 

[jostar1]

The SEC and Big 12 announced a bowl partnership Friday, one that never more clearly defined the haves and have-nots of college football. If you’re not part of the SEC, Big 12, Big Ten or Pac-12, you’re on the outside with your face pressed against the big-boy glass.
The handful of powerful BCS teams remaining now have a clear decision to make: Join one of the four major conferences, or get shut out of the future of the game.



Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-05-18/sec-big-12-bowl-game-college-football-future-realignment-change-landscape-game#ixzz1vLjaKk6D

 

[Fishy]

I read like 15 threads referencing some event that's not laid out in any concise way in any of the threads. Something going on beyond rumor regarding Big12 and ACC?

The Big 12, which this board feels is going to explode in a Texas-inspired ball of fire, came to an agreement about a bowl with the SEC, which this board feels is inbred. That move apparently will cause the demise of the ACC, which this board feels is already doomed to failure because they won't make enough money in 2023. It will also force Notre Dame, who the board feels is on borrowed time as a major program, to join the ACC despite this board feeling that the ACC will have to disband.

Now, the board feels that all the above will result in the ACC also being forced to invite UConn, Rutgers, Louisville, South Florida and maybe Villanova for some reason. If they don't, the board feels that NBC will be writing a blank check to the Big East because they have dead air on almost all of their channels and Bill Dance is playing hard ball with his fishing show.

Now, when news of all that hit the Big 1G offices, the Big 1G, who the board feels should immediate lock up the Mashantucket Pequot Nation by inviting UConn, reacted by asking, "Holy crap....those other conferences still exist? Hmm...who knew?" The Pac 12, who this board feels should invite all of the New Mexicos and relocate their offices to Beijing, has yet to hear the news - apparently, ESPN is on delay out there.

Please, try to keep up.

 

[CL82]

The Big 12, which this board feels is going to explode in a Texas-inspired ball of fire, came to an agreement about a bowl with the SEC, which this board feels is inbred. That move apparently will cause the demise of the ACC, which this board feels is already doomed to failure because they won't make enough money in 2023. It will also force Notre Dame, who the board feels is on borrowed time as a major program, to join the ACC despite this board feeling that the ACC will have to disband.

Now, the board feels that all the above will result in the ACC also being forced to invite UConn, Rutgers, Louisville, South Florida and maybe Villanova for some reason. If they don't, the board feels that NBC will be writing a blank check to the Big East because they have dead air on almost all of their channels and Bill Dance is playing hard ball with his fishing show.

Now, when news of all that hit the Big 1G offices, the Big 1G, who the board feels should immediate lock up the Mashantucket Pequot Nation by inviting UConn, reacted by asking, "Holy crap....those other conferences still exist? Hmm...who knew?" The Pac 12, who this board feels should invite all of the New Mexicos and relocate their offices to Beijing, has yet to hear the news - apparently, ESPN is on delay out there.

Please, try to keep up.

Exactly.....

 

[upstater]

OK, that helps. That information generated so many threads and so much interest (even at Pitt's website) that I was certain there had to be more substance behind it.

Almost all Pitt posters agree that each ACC school should immediately contribute $100 million from their endowments (except for FSU) so that they can collect $1.3 billion, earn $100 million a year, and give FSU a $4 million cut without having to pony up. Then, invite Notre Dame, because according the Thamel, ND would never ever join any other conference (because the time they voted to join the Big10 was another time and universe than this one).

 

[SubbaBub]

Here's what everyone not in the B1G, SEC, ACC, or P12 is afraid of. For the purposes of this discussion the Sugar Bowl becomes the Rose Bowl East, though it could easily be the Cotton Bowl (JJ edition).

1. BCS committee adopts a 4 team playoff.
2. To assuage ND, ACC, and everyone else, they agree to limit access to conference champs in the top 6.
3. The semi-final will be given to the current BCS bowls, these new bowls will be set up so that the P12, B1G, B12, and SEC will be assigned to their respective bowls for the playoff. Playoffs go to the BCS bowl of the top two or three seeds. So, if the SEC champ is ranked No. 1 and the B12 champ is ranked No. 2, then they will play in the semi-final at the Sugar Bowl. same for the B1G and P12. Should the ACC, ND or anyone else be ranked 1 or 2 they would be assigned to the Orange bowl, or the Fiesta Bowl, or whichever bowl ponies up to be included as the third option. All other bowls may make contracts as they wish.
4. The selection for seeding will be as subjective and opaque as it is now, it just won't include the coach's or Harris poll. More likey some type of selection panel guided by RPI-like computer rating that won't be as official ranking.
5. 17 out of 20 playoff spots over the first five years will then be filled by the big 4 conferences. the 18th will be filled by ND and the other two by freak undefeated teams from the hinterlands who happen to beat a top 10 team in non-conference play. All other undefeated teams will have "not beaten anyone".
6. The ACC and NNBE are kept on life support to keep the illusion of open access alive, but FSU plus one or three other teams switch to the B12 to get them back to 12 or 14 teams. The ACC picks one to get back to 12 if necessary. The NNBE carries on with 12 or whatever they have left.
7. New TV and Bowl contracts reflect the market realities of items 1-6.

That's what has everyone's knickers in a twist.

 

[observer]

What people forget to do is to subtract/adjust the payout of the other bowls that the SEC and Big 12 currently play in. If a four team playoff happens as seems likely then in many years the champ of either the SEC or Big 12 will be one of the four. Now we have a #2 bowl where the remaining top teams of the SEC/Big 12 will play each other. So, the BCS game that used to get the top SEC and Big 12 teams now will get the second or third place teams from those conferences. And so long down the line of bowls that those conferences had tie ins to.

Anyone want to enlighten me as to how a game that used to have SEC #2 which now had SEC # 4 will still pay the same?

 

[Chin Diesel]

OK, that helps. That information generated so many threads and so much interest (even at Pitt's website) that I was certain there had to be more substance behind it.

Almost all Pitt posters agree that each ACC school should immediately contribute $100 million from their endowments (except for FSU) so that they can collect $1.3 billion, earn $100 million a year, and give FSU a $4 million cut without having to pony up. Then, invite Notre Dame, because according the Thamel, ND would never ever join any other conference (because the time they voted to join the Big10 was another time and universe than this one).

Sadly/Ironically/Oddly enough I really don't have any idea if you are being sarcastic or not.

 

[upstater]

Sadly/Ironically/Oddly enough I really don't have any idea if you are being sarcastic or not.

No, there is such a post with many Pitt fans in agreement.

 

[huskypantz]

I read like 15 threads referencing some event that's not laid out in any concise way in any of the threads. Something going on beyond rumor regarding Big12 and ACC?

The story is basically the equivalent of the end of Goodfellas. Ray Liotta is Swofford, driving around trying to settle his TV contract. Liotta's wife is Raycom, trying to flush a load of crap down the toilet. The FBI helicopters are flown by the B12, swooping in to steal his teams. And Liotta's brother stirring the tomato sauce? That's Marinatto. In the picture, but kinda an afterthought.

What does it all mean? I don't know, but things didn't end well for Liotta.

 

[SubbaBub]

The story is basically the equivalent of the end of Goodfellas. Ray Liotta is Swofford, driving around trying to settle his TV contract. Liotta's wife is Raycom, trying to flush a load of crap down the toilet. The FBI helicopters are flown by the B12, swooping in to steal his teams. And Liotta's brother stirring the tomato sauce? That's Marinatto. In the picture, but kinda an afterthought.

What does it all mean? I don't know, but things didn't end well for Liotta.

Goodfellas is too good a film to be associated with this "b-movie" enterprise. I was thinking it's more like the climatc scene in "The Secret of My Success," where Fred Gwynne (Swofford) assumes he's about to gain control of the Premrose Corporation before Michael J. Fox (Big 12) informs him that he's arranged to buy out his holding company. All the while, Howard (Marinatto) goes from grovelling to just sitting there befuddled.