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2023 Recruiting: Cam Spencer

That is a good point. And Dan Hurley did a masterful job juggling minutes last year. I’m hopeful that Samson can take a step forward and that Singare can be an effective rebounder and rim protector even playing 8-10 minutes a game. I don’t think we need a ton of scoring from those guys. Clingan probably will be playing 27-30 minutes a game on average Id imagine if all goes well.
Hurley seems to like the 8 man rotation.

Last year during the Big East season it was the starting 5, Diarra, Alleyne, and Clingan with Joey getting minutes cut.

During the tournament Joey took Diara’s minutes.

As is, the rotation is Castle, Newton, Ross/Stewart, Karaban, and Clingan. With the extra 2 being Diarra/Ball, Samson/Singare.
 
Hurley seems to like the 8 man rotation.

Last year during the Big East season it was the starting 5, Diarra, Alleyne, and Clingan with Joey getting minutes cut.

During the tournament Joey took Diara’s minutes.

As is, the rotation is Castle, Newton, Ross/Stewart, Karaban, and Clingan. With the extra 2 being Diarra/Ball, Samson/Singare.
We, me included, were really spoiled by the depth of last year’s team and Dan Hurley’s ability to manage it so well. That was a very special team.
 
No one thought this years roster was good enough to win a championship pre season. We knew we had pieces. Sanogo was going to score and Hawk if he stayed healthy was going to be a 1st round draft pick. At least most of us knew these two facts. The rest of the roster was up in the air. Then the first 14 games happened. The point I am making is trying to determine what we need right now is fun but more than likely is not accurate. It all comes down to how all the pieces fit and playing as a team. The parts are important but how they work with each other is the secret ingredient. Basketball is the ultimate team game and TEAM will always trump talent. I think Hurley will keep us competitive each year from this point forward but getting the ingredients to mix perfectly…the art form..will be a year to year situation.
 
And where are we with any injury to Johnson / Singare like last year's nagging foot? I'm in the camp for a defensive 6'9 ish 240ish post player with strength to compliment our skinny rim protectors. Portal, overseas, reclass, it doesn't matter.
 
Last year we had a GREAT shooting team. We aren’t trying to replicate that. The question is with Spencer will we be a good enough shooting team. And I think the answer to that is yes
We lose one great shooting starter in Hawkins and one great shooting bench player in Joey. We lose one really bad shooting starter in Jackson and one bad shooting bench player in Alleyne. Sanogo proved to be a very good shooter but he took threes infrequently.

If we get Spencer our shooting should be really good again. Karaban and Spencer are knockdown shooters, Newton is a very good shooter and Ross looks like a knockdown shooter.
 
If we get Spencer the starting lineup is going to fit together like a puzzle. And pretty dang talented to boot.

Castle/Cling as an elite pNr tandem. Newton as the secondary creator, spending his time draining 3's and attacking closeouts. Spencer sprinting around screens like a maniac. And Karaban spaced out in the corner draining 3s and attacking closeouts.

And then hopefully we can get a microwave scorer like Calc off the bench, even if they are extremely one dimensional. You hear people talking about "movement shooters" a lot now and I am greedy but I am hoping for one on the floor at all times. I think it's an underrated skill and I will try not to take it for granted after enjoying a year of Hawk. Hitting shots is great but having somebody like that to bend the defense probably diminishes the quantity of shooters needed.
 
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A shooter like Spencer would get us close. I feel like another big would get us even closer. I can’t think of a great reason why we’d keep an open scholarship for a year when the roster is so close to contending. We are UConn and fresh off a title. The goal each year should be a championship not a sweet 16. I don’t know if a great fit even exists in the portal for that role at this juncture. But why not explore it?
There are Joey C's for sure that can hit the 3 but our suspect on d. Hopefully we can snag one with a little attitude like Joey had. Either way I would like to see 2 more shooters. I'm not worried with bigs as we have 3 guys who can bang there. You can never have enough shooters in today's game especially when some can be off on a given game.
 
The rookies we have coming in are good enough. This guy is looking for the cash— will not fret one but when he picks Miami for the money. Our new players are good enough to get job done. Don’t lose sleep over this guy. We have a big 3 with a new stud pg and nice rotational players. Always enough to win 6 in a row
 
Aside from his 3 point shooting, the advanced stats say that Spencer is a really good defender too. His DRtg last season was a 92.4 (Avg is 100), and his DBPM was 5.2

For reference last season: DRtg/DBPM

Andre Jackson: 94.3/5.1
Jordan Hawkins: 98.5/1.9
Nahiem Alleyne: 101.4/2.1
Joey California: 97.5/3.1

You couldn't ask for a better fit in our lineup. I think without him, this team still has the pieces to repeat. With him, we should be the betting favorite
 
If we get Spencer the starting lineup is going to fit together like a puzzle. And pretty dang talented to boot.

Castle/Cling as an elite pNr tandem. Newton as the secondary creator, spending his time draining 3's and attacking closeouts. Spencer sprinting around screens like a maniac. And Karaban spaced out in the corner draining 3s and attacking closeouts.

And then hopefully we can get a microwave scorer like Calc off the bench, even if they are extremely one dimensional. You hear people talking about "movement shooters" a lot now and I am greedy but I am hoping for one on the floor at all times. I think it's an underrated skill and I will try not to take it for granted after enjoying a year of Hawk. Hitting shots is great but having somebody like that to bend the defense probably diminishes the quantity of shooters needed.
Does the microwave scorer necessarily have to be a shooter? Because Solo can 100% fill that microwave role off the bench if we’re just talking about scoring and he can be a two way player.
 
Does the microwave scorer necessarily have to be a shooter? Because Solo can 100% fill that microwave role off the bench if we’re just talking about scoring and he can be a two way player.
We want to surrond Clingan with 4 shooters so it can open the inside like it did for Sanogo last year. Problem last year was Andre wasn't a shooter but we found a way to keep him on the basline helping out Sanogo when doubled team to be a release.
 
We lose one great shooting starter in Hawkins and one great shooting bench player in Joey. We lose one really bad shooting starter in Jackson and one bad shooting bench player in Alleyne. Sanogo proved to be a very good shooter but he took threes infrequently.

If we get Spencer our shooting should be really good again. Karaban and Spencer are knockdown shooters, Newton is a very good shooter and Ross looks like a knockdown shooter.
Don't disagree with your observations except for Alleyne.. Had many key buckets during the late season winning streak and the Tournament.. Was he off the charts? No.. But he turned momentum in games on more than a couple occasions with timely buckets when other guys couldn't buy a bucket. Can you throw stats/data to challenge his value?? I'm sure you can..
 
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We want to surrond Clingan with 4 shooters so it can open the inside like it did for Sanogo last year. Problem last year was Andre wasn't a shooter but we found a way to keep him on the basline helping out Sanogo when doubled team to be a release.
I mean yeah, that kind of shows it’s not as necessary. Solo will 100% be a better shooter and all around scorer than Andre too. Lol

What this team may lack in shooting from last year can make up for with their ability to dribble drive and penetrate to create their own shots.
 
I mean yeah, that kind of shows it’s not as necessary. Solo will 100% be a better shooter and all around scorer than Andre too. Lol

What this team may lack in shooting from last year can make up for with their ability to dribble drive and penetrate to create their own shots.
Ball isn't know as a shooter, you even said he is more known as a scorer, and he is a Freshman. I rather have a proven upper classmen shooter to add to the starting lineup.
 
Does the microwave scorer necessarily have to be a shooter? Because Solo can 100% fill that microwave role off the bench if we’re just talking about scoring and he can be a two way player.

There are a million ways to skin a cat but I don't think it would put the same type of pressure on a defense. As to the first part - the Knicks were 3rd in O Rating or something this year. For all we know, Johnson could blossom and our team could be an offensive rebounding juggernaut. Just that we had such a nice formula last year that's its hard not to try that style again.
 
There are a million ways to skin a cat but I don't think it would put the same type of pressure on a defense. As to the first part - the Knicks were 3rd in O Rating or something this year. For all we know, Johnson could blossom and our team could be an offensive rebounding juggernaut. Just that we had such a nice formula last year that's its hard not to try that style again.
We also did have the best motion shooter and screen runner in college basketball to build that offense around. Just not sure about trying that again without that kind of almost generational talent to do it with.

I’m very uncomfortable with the idea that we can’t prioritize a top recruit like Solo Ball on this roster and need to grab a guy to play over him because Solo isn’t a 40% 3 pt shooter when there’s so many other things he does well that can help winning.
 
I don’t think anyone is. It’s very high expectations to replace one of the best shooters in college basketball and a guy who was shooting 50% from three during OOC for anyone.

I’m just not sure why we would be so certain that the freshman aren’t going to be ready to step up and be serviceable.
Think about how elite a shooter Hawkins is. Then think back to freshman Hawkins, coming to UConn with a dynamite rep as a shooter. The next big thing. How’d that play out?

Not saying that Ross and/or Stewart won’t be great shooters their freshman year. Hoping that one of them is. Just saying that its not always, or even usually, the case.

Whereas a 4th or 5th year college transfer can usually be counted on to play to their past performance level. Just a surer bet.
 
We also did have the best motion shooter and screen runner in college basketball to build that offense around. Just not sure about trying that again without that kind of almost generational talent to do it with.

I’m very uncomfortable with the idea that we can’t prioritize a top recruit like Solo Ball on this roster and need to grab a guy to play over him because Solo isn’t a 40% 3 pt shooter when there’s so many other things he does well that can help winning.
It is tough for freshman. Look at Hawk he went from a freshman who could not stay healthy, but you could see had a beautiful shot to and I agree a “a generational talent” by the time his sophomore season was finished. I love this classes overall talent and I am hopeful Castle plays like a FOY, or if he over achieves maybe POY conference. But it’s so hard on freshman when you ask them to be a main piece not a role player. I have watched enough tape on Spencer that clearly shows he would be a + addition and slot nicely into the three on offense. It will be interesting to see who guards the other teams three. Castle has the size but he is a freshman.
 
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We also did have the best motion shooter and screen runner in college basketball to build that offense around. Just not sure about trying that again without that kind of almost generational talent to do it with.

I’m very uncomfortable with the idea that we can’t prioritize a top recruit like Solo Ball on this roster and need to grab a guy to play over him because Solo isn’t a 40% 3 pt shooter when there’s so many other things he does well that can help winning.

It’s a win/win situation imo and we have a great staff to adjust our style according to the personnel. Spencer and Timberlake are very, very good and they are the only players we have been in the mix for so that probably says something about how the staff views Solo. It’s not like they are casting a wide net for marginal talents at the 2.
 
It is tough for freshman. Look at Hawk he went from a freshman who could not stay healthy, but you could see had a beautiful shot to and I agree a “a generational talent” by the time his sophomore season was finished. I love this classes overall talent and I am hopeful Castle plays like a FOY, or if he over achieves maybe POY conference. But it’s so hard on freshman when you ask them to be a main piece not a role player. I have watched enough tape on Spencer that clearly shows he would be a + addition and slot nicely into the three on offense. It will be interesting to see who guards the other teams three. Castle has the size but he is a freshman.
Hawkins came out the gate hot though. He did not originally struggle right out the gate. He actually looked like one of the most talented players on the team. It’s why his sophomore breakout was such an easy bet because it was always just about him getting playing time and touches.

There are a lot more examples of guys who thrived their freshman year and stepped up with the playing time they had than otherwise. I’ve provided video proof of this on the board before. Lol

I can’t think of an example outside of Deandre Daniels where we’ve given a freshman ample playing time and they didn’t come through for us.
 
Hawkins came out the gate hot though. He did not originally struggle right out the gate. He actually looked like one of the most talented players on the team. It’s why his sophomore breakout was such an easy bet because it was always just about him getting playing time and touches.

There are a lot more examples of guys who thrived their freshman year and stepped up with the playing time they had than otherwise. I’ve provided video proof of this on the board before. Lol

I can’t think of an example outside of Deandre Daniels where we’ve given a freshman ample playing time and they didn’t come through for us.
Here’s to hoping you are right and we get an AK type surprise from one of the fresh if we do not bring in any other transfer. Spencer does worry me a bit when it comes to culture, only from the NIL side. I respect the heck out of Pikiell and if this guy could play for him, he should be squared away as a team mate.
 
Here’s to hoping you are right and we get an AK type surprise from one of the fresh if we do not bring in any other transfer. Spencer does worry me a bit when it comes to culture, only from the NIL side. I respect the heck out of Pikiell and if this guy could play for him, he should be squared away as a team mate.
Spencer does seem good. This isn’t a knock on him as a player. I’m just not sure if he’d be better in March than one of the higher ceiling freshman guys. And I worry about situations similar to Hawkins freshman year. I’m more of the opinion that thinks this class of guys is just that good.
 
Hawkins came out the gate hot though. He did not originally struggle right out the gate. He actually looked like one of the most talented players on the team. It’s why his sophomore breakout was such an easy bet because it was always just about him getting playing time and touches.
Hawkins freshman stats were 33.3 3p%; 35.3 fg%; and 5.8 ppg. I wouldn’t label that “hot out of the gate”.
 
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@BigErnMcCracken whats funny? Do you have examples of freshman who struggled outside of those I listed? Genuinely curious if I may have missed any which is possible.
 
Hawkins came out the gate hot though. He did not originally struggle right out the gate. He actually looked like one of the most talented players on the team. It’s why his sophomore breakout was such an easy bet because it was always just about him getting playing time and touches.

After the Auburn game (his first against a good team), here are his next 8 ORTGs in games against top 100 teams (less than 100 is bad):
83, 57, 27, 91, 30, 23, --, 54.

He started and played over 20 min in the 27 and 91 games due to Martin's injury. This is why your "Hawkins should've played more as a freshman" takes make no sense.
 
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Hawkins freshman stats were 33.3 3p%; 35.3 fg%; and 5.8 ppg. I wouldn’t label that “hot out of the gate”.
I’d say

5 points and 3 steals in 8 mins
11 points on 62/50 in 13 mins
16 points on 72/100 in 15 mins

A pretty hot 3 game start to your career. Why he tailed off is something that’s debatable, but he did show the flash right out the gate originally. Those ups and downs are expected. Jeremy Lamb had those really bad stretches but by March he was one of the best players on the floor after being able to play through them.

Alex can say the same thing after he got cooked in December/January defensively but was one of the best defenders in the Big East down the stretch because he was allowed to play through those mistakes and learn. If we brought in a high floor low ceiling player just for that stretch, we don’t get the Alex we saw in March.
 
After the Auburn game (his first against a good team), here are his next 8 ORTGs in games against top 100 teams (less than 100 is bad):
83, 57, 27, 91, 30, 23, --, 54.

He started and played over 20 min in the 27 and 91 games due to Martin's injury. This is why your "Hawkins should've played more as a freshman" takes make no sense.
He was big against Auburn. His defense was abysmal. His ball handling wasn’t much better. Later in the year he got some minutes because he committed to playing D and his shooting showed up. How soon we forget.

I don’t think much has changed for Hurley. You don’t defend you don’t play. Fortunately, I expect Ball will defend from day 1. Interested to see what Ross and Stewart do.
 
Hawkins came out the gate hot though. He did not originally struggle right out the gate. He actually looked like one of the most talented players on the team. It’s why his sophomore breakout was such an easy bet because it was always just about him getting playing time and touches.

There are a lot more examples of guys who thrived their freshman year and stepped up with the playing time they had than otherwise. I’ve provided video proof of this on the board before. Lol

I can’t think of an example outside of Deandre Daniels where we’ve given a freshman ample playing time and they didn’t come through for us

Maybe, just maybe, that’s because if they weren’t ready to contribute as true frosh they didn’t play a lot? See, e.g., Marcus Williams, Jeff Adrien and Donny Marshall.
 
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