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Message: [QUOTE="Hans Sprungfeld, post: 3548899, member: 181"] "no reasonable logic" "stubbed their big toe during warm ups at the first practice" Both strike me as more extreme and exaggerated phrasing, either for heightened effect, or because you can't or won't stack things up side-by-side in a calm fashion for reasonable analysis. Doing the latter would be more helpful toward building agreement among people who do not initially see things the same way. Again, I can't tell if you are right or wrong, much as I might like to, but I can make a pretty reasonable guess about how you feel, even without you languaging things in terms of emotions. [/QUOTE]