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Caitlin tonight..you be the judge

pvdoggy said:
I wonder if Paige had stayed home to play for the bad Gophers team and Clark had come to Uconn, would we be having this kind of comparison in reverse.
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Of course. But all that confirms is that the team on which you play matters.
 
bballnut90 said:
Where are you seeing that Iowa has more possessions per game than UCONN?

I couldn't find this based on a quick Google search, but looking at possession based numbers I found:

Field Goal Attempts:
UCONN-63 per game
Iowa-62 per game

Free Throw Attempts:
UCONN-15 per game
Iowa-17 per game

Turnovers:
UCONN-14.5 per game
Iowa-14.7 per game

They're almost identical in all categories unless I'm missing one.
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Thanks for catching that. I had calculated ppg earlier in the season when UConn’s FG% was about 54%, the best in the nation at the time, with 3 pt % also being significantly higher than now. They’ve tailed off since then to 51.4%, still second best, but Iowa has the best at 51.9%, plus better 3 pt%.

Bottom line, I was going with old news.
 
diggerfoot said:
Iowa’s style of play leads to many more possessions per game. The fact that Clark has more assists, and more turnovers, should be viewed in that context. If you were to compare the two per possession I’m pretty sure Bueckers would have the higher assists number.

Despite their offensive similarities there is more separation between the two in regards to defense.
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In the post game presser after the championship game Geno talks about his relationship and conversations with Paige. He said either the day before the game or during shoot around Paige told him she was the best defensive player in the country. Geoo just shook his head and smiled.

He also said that when she got pulled from the game she looked at the stat sheet and said Geno owed her two more minutes in the next game to get to her average minutes played per game.
Clark is an amazing player. Incredible talent. I'm less interested in how she performs against Purdue and very interested to see her game if the Hawkeyes match up against Maryland

Given Maryland's talent will get to see how "strong" the Iowa defense is and the way Clark and company play in trying to slow down that offensive juggernaut.

As to individual awards. Geno said on aforementioned presser there are awards that you vote on and awards that you don't. He's much more interested in the awards that don't involve voting . . . NC.
 
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browns said:
Or you can say it's amazing her #'s are what they are since she is the total focus of the defense and has no one to take the pressure off her
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yes there's some truth to that but there's only so much an opposing team can do to stop a really good and determined three point shooter that knows they need to score big for their team to win ........ .....not trying to disparage Ms Clark........she's the second best freshman guard in the class and possibly in women's college basketball.....
 
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CocoHusky said:
:eek: Poor Caitlin? What about me? I don't know if I can take 4 more years of these types of threads. Luckily Hailey Van Lith threads have dried up. Look- Caitlin is a baller-as I have said many times my greatest fear was her winding up at ND. She was going to be a baller regardless of where she went to school and that includes UCONN. Caitlin chose to go to Iowa and she will continue to put up gaudy AA type numbers while she is there. If Iowa is playing I'll tune in to watch and I would recommend that others do so as well-which was the purpose of @browns starting this thread. Caitlin great for WCBB!
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yes not sure what happened to Hailey Van Lith...........last few times I watched her she looked remarkably like a freshman............ ;)
 
Charliebball said:
yes there's some truth to that but there's only so much an opposing team can do to stop a really good and determined three point shooter that knows they need to score big for their team to win ........ .....not trying to disparage Ms Clark........she's the second best freshman guard in the class and possibly in women's college basketball.....
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And that's a big help to her assist totals, double and triple teaming her.
 
Husky fanatic said:
Will enjoy watching her play. Wishing it wasn’t on so late. Got my second dose and I’m sleepy but not sleeping.
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Hope that's all the symptoms that come your way. Now get ready to go out and play, 14 days to go. I hit mine today and went out to lunch. What a treat.
 
Clark will end up being one of the best players in Iowa WBB history. Good for her. I doubt very seriously that Iowa will contend for a NCCA or even Big 10 title in her time there. She knew what she was getting into when she chose to play there. Can't fault her for following her own path. She's a heck of a player and I like watching her play.
 
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bballnut90 said:
Where are you seeing that Iowa has more possessions per game than UCONN?

I couldn't find this based on a quick Google search, but looking at possession based numbers I found:

Field Goal Attempts:
UCONN-63 per game
Iowa-62 per game

Free Throw Attempts:
UCONN-15 per game
Iowa-17 per game

Turnovers:
UCONN-14.5 per game
Iowa-14.7 per game

They're almost identical in all categories unless I'm missing one.
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All categories? How about won/loss?
 
JoePgh said:
During the Big East Final broadcast on Monday night, they showed a graphic comparing Caitlin's and Paige's stats. I was surprised that Caitlin was slightly ahead in assists (6.6 per game vs. 6.2 as I recall).
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Byington and Kustok had a good exchange when that graphic showed up.

I believe it was Byington who wondered how good each would be if their teams were switched. They talked about NPOY. Kustok's summation was that Paige gets the nod for NPOY. She said that Paige has had more of an impact on her team. The offense flows through her and she is the leader of the team living up to the high expectations that comes with one, if not the premier program in wcbb.
 
JoePgh said:
During the Big East Final broadcast on Monday night, they showed a graphic comparing Caitlin's and Paige's stats. I was surprised that Caitlin was slightly ahead in assists (6.6 per game vs. 6.2 as I recall).
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And way ahead of Paige in Turnovers per game 4.91 to Paige’s 2.58
 
CocoHusky said:
Quite a bit actually. Unfortunately not all the NPOY voters see things that way.
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SallyH said:
Well, I thought POY went to the best player on the best team. But, what do I know?
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CocoHusky is right with "quite a bit." The POY was on the NCAA National Champion as follows: Naismith 16 of 38 times; AP 13-26; USBWA 15-33; Wade 14-38. Wade has had some interesting selections.
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1 - 7 in first quarter 2 turnovers ...Purdue defense?

Edit 5 of 16 from field, 5 boards, 8 dimes 4 turnovers ...Purdue is 7 win team
 
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Jeff Walz coached the FIBA team that included Paige, Van Lith, Boston, Hillmon, Egbo, Belibi, Horston, Joens and Caitlin Clark. He played Paige and Van Lith a lot. Paige won the MVP and Walz played Van Lith a lot bcuz he was recruiting her, eh? Clark didn't get many minutes in the games that I watched. So not much chance to compare Clark vs Paige in the FIBA games.
 
Jingo said:
Jeff Walz coached the FIBA team that included Paige, Van Lith, Boston, Hillmon, Egbo, Belibi, Horston, Joens and Caitlin Clark. He played Paige and Van Lith a lot. Paige won the MVP and Walz played Van Lith a lot bcuz he was recruiting her, eh? Clark didn't get many minutes in the games that I watched. So not much chance to compare Clark vs Paige in the FIBA games.
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Paige and Caitlin history at USA basketball goes back to 2017 at U16. In 2017 neither player was a starter for Carla Berube, Zia Cooke was the starting PG and Horston was the starting SG. In 2017 they were probable even with Clark coming in to back up Cooke and Page (and Azzi) coming in to back up Horston.
By 2018 at U17 both Paige and Azzi emerged as the starting back court with Haley Jones Horston and Boston up from. It hard to say that Azzi and Paige surpassed Caitilin in 2018 because Caitlin was injured (Thumb) during the trials and did not make the U17 team. In 2019 the Jeff Walz coached team Azzzi was injured and Paige not only emerged as a starter but the MVP, best player against two of the leading candidates for NCAA player of the year this season in Naz Hillmom and Ryhne Howard. You mention that Jeff played Van Lith becuse he was recruiting her-which is probably true. The irony is that Jeff could just have easily been recruiting Clark because neither player committed until Nov of 2019.
 
Clark has 19 points on 6-18 shooting. Czinano has 34 points on 15-17 shooting. Purdue can't stop the big girl.
 
Purdue v. Iowa confirmed why Big 10 viewed as perhaps the weakest P5 league this year. Would either of these teams have cracked the top 4 in the Big East. I don’t think so.
 
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darkstar1 said:
Purdue v. Iowa confirmed why Big 10 viewed as perhaps the weakest P5 league this year. Would either of these teams have cracked the top 4 in the Big East. I don’t think so.
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Iowa is only marginally better than Marquette, but they are light years ahead of any other Big East team (except UConn of course).
 
darkstar1 said:
Purdue v. Iowa confirmed why Big 10 viewed as perhaps the weakest P5 league this year. Would either of these teams have cracked the top 4 in the Big East. I don’t think so.
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This was a first round game....no one is using either team as an example for why the Big Ten is a strong conference this year. Watch Maryland tomorrow and get back to me.
 
Clark definitely deserves way more exposure than she is getting. If not for Paige, Clark would be the most talked about frosh. It would have been interesting if she went to a team that gets the media's attention.
 
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One thing that I like is how determined she is about taking the ball to the rim. She welcomes contact. This is an area where Paige can improve upon. This would add another 6 or 8 points to Paige's game.
 
Clark had an off night shooting, it happens. She does have a nice stroke.
Both teams looked very slow especially on defense.
Not a believer in comparing two players.....but Clark and Paige have different roles in two different offenses that each team runs.
Iowa is an NBA hybrid "1 IN 4 OUT". where the lane is open for 1 player and the other 4 hug the three point line waiting for a kick out. Uconn runs a traditional weave, looking for back cuts, pick and rolls, and dump downs to the bigs.
Most of Clarks points came from beating her defender and making uncontested layups at the rim. Did I mention how slowwww Purdue was? Paige really doesn't take the ball off the dribble to the rim, she is looking for people to pass to.
IMO, Iowa got way more bump calls than any UCONN could expect.
Lastly, if that represents a stronger conference that UCONN should join, I would pass. We would beat each of those teams by 35-50 points.
 
browns said:
Not to mention she doesn't have the teammates Paige has..Don't get me wrong I still like Paige better I guess I was kind of shocked how much she reminds me of Paige the way she plays.
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Paige seems to need screens and passes from her teammates more than Caitlin. Ciatlin is really good at creating off the dribble. Some point to Caitlin's turnovers. Well consider the caliber of her teammates and how often Paige's better teammates mishandle her passes. I would want both on my team and figure out later how to get them to work together.
 
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