C7 to announce league membership tomorrow?

[uconNYC]

Seems the C7 will be pushing for an early departure as Fox Sports 1 needs programming immediately. This might be the last season we play many of the C7 schools.

I was hoping we would have 1 more year with the C7 so it buys us time to get into a better situation.

 

[upstater]

Seems the C7 will be pushing for an early departure as Fox Sports 1 needs programming immediately. This might be the last season we play many of the C7 schools.

I was hoping we would have 1 more year with the C7 so it buys us time to get into a better situation.

Let them go. Just get paid.

 

[upstater]

If you look at the geography thing Temple, UConn and Cincy are the only teams in the NNBE in the footprint of the Catholic Schools and Nova/Xavier have Philly/Cincy covered. Lose UConn and what's the sense of being in the same league?

SMU, Houston, Tulane, UCF, USF, ECU? Adding Southern Miss or Tulsa or UNLV or SDSU? The geography simply doesn't make sense to the Catholic Schools. It's not difficult to see the rift. It's largely a Northern league and the NNBE is heading South.

Do you realize they are looking at Creighton and Butler and St. Louis?
Added to DePaul and Marquette?

They'll have 5 members in Indiana and west. Creighton is in Nebraska--that will be a difficult trip.

 

[upstater]

Rovell is reporting the C7 are required to add five schools and are getting $500M over 10 years. so roughly $4.2M per school per year from Fox (it will be on the Fox1 channel).

12 years, not 10.

 

[uconNYC]

So if the C7 are getting 5m a year lets presume schools like DePaul, PC and SHU are worth about 1.5m a year. To average that out Georgetown, Marquette and Butler would be worth around 8.5m. Comparatively speaking - UConn MBB should then be worth 10m. Let's say our football is worth another 3M, then we are worth 13M a year. As we would be above the NNBE average, we should probably hope for around 10M from the new TV contract. Anything less than that will be highly disappointing.

 

[upstater]

So if the C7 are getting 5m a year lets presume schools like DePaul, PC and SHU are worth about 1.5m a year. To average that out Georgetown, Marquette and Butler would be worth around 8.5m. Comparatively speaking - UConn MBB should then be worth 10m. Let's say our football is worth another 3M, then we are worth 13M a year. As we would be above the NNBE average, we should probably hope for around 10M from the new TV contract. Anything less than that will be highly disappointing.

But, there's a tradeoff.
Aresco, from recent reports, is going with ESPN.
This should mean that UConn gets more exposure while the Catholics languish on a station with less reach. They get more money but less exposure.
That's always the trade-off with ESPN.

 

[businesslawyer]

So if the C7 are getting 5m a year lets presume schools like DePaul, PC and SHU are worth about 1.5m a year. To average that out Georgetown, Marquette and Butler would be worth around 8.5m. Comparatively speaking - UConn MBB should then be worth 10m. Let's say our football is worth another 3M, then we are worth 13M a year. As we would be above the NNBE average, we should probably hope for around 10M from the new TV contract. Anything less than that will be highly disappointing.

You use a formula that shows Georgetown and 'Nova not taking more money than PC out of the pot to justify a conclusion that UConn should be paid its share based not on the conference average but its intrinsic value? How in the world does that conclusion flow from that premise?

 

[HuskyHawk]

Do you realize they are looking at Creighton and Butler and St. Louis?
Added to DePaul and Marquette?

They'll have 5 members in Indiana and west. Creighton is in Nebraska--that will be a difficult trip.

Not for DePaul, Marquette, SLU or Butler it won't.

 

[upstater]

Not for DePaul, Marquette, SLU or Butler it won't.

Did you read the post I was replying to? Do you understand why I wrote what I wrote?

I mean, the logical response to your post is, Tulane is not a difficult trip for SMU and Houston, but that's not what we are talking about.

We're talking about the footprint of the CYO7 compared to the footprint of the BE.

Both conferences are going to have members west of Indiana. SMU, Tulane, Houston for the BE, DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis, Creighton and Butler for the CYO7.

This means that arguments about travel really don't hold up.

 

[CL82]

But, there's a tradeoff.
Aresco, from recent reports, is going with ESPN.
This should mean that UConn gets more exposure while the Catholics languish on a station with less reach. They get more money but less exposure.
That's always the trade-off with ESPN.

Same deal, less teams? Could be a win-win. Well kind of. I can't believe that we'd be less of a whipping boy now than before the great exodus.

 

[upstater]

Same deal, less teams? Could be a win-win. Well kind of. I can't believe that we'd be less of a whipping boy now than before the great exodus.

The current deal is for $3 million a year. That would be a travesty.

 

[CL82]

The current deal is for $3 million a year. That would be a travesty.

Per all sports team? Say it ain't so!

 

[upstater]

You use a formula that shows Georgetown and 'Nova not taking more money than PC out of the pot to justify a conclusion that UConn should be paid its share based not on the conference average but its intrinsic value? How in the world does that conclusion flow from that premise?

There's not enough info in his post to come to any conclusions, but he did drop Uconn's payout from what he valued it to a number someone below that value. Generally speaking, I'd guess that Seton Hall, St. Louis, Creighton and all the teams not named Georgetown, Marquette, Butler, Villanova and St. John's to have the same value as the teams not named UConn, Cincy, Memphis and Temple-->little to none. If you get to $4m for basketball average like the CYO league, then add football to it, you might expect say $7m total (assuming about $3m for football) for UConn. Then add tier3 on SNY and you pobably get another $4m (i.e. $1.5m for women, $1.5m for men, $1m for football).

 

[upstater]

Per all sports team? Say it ain't so!

Yes, that's the current deal (not counting tier 3 rights).

 

[HuskyHawk]

Did you read the post I was replying to? Do you understand why I wrote what I wrote?

I mean, the logical response to your post is, Tulane is not a difficult trip for SMU and Houston, but that's not what we are talking about.

We're talking about the footprint of the CYO7 compared to the footprint of the BE.

Both conferences are going to have members west of Indiana. SMU, Tulane, Houston for the BE, DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis, Creighton and Butler for the CYO7.

This means that arguments about travel really don't hold up.

But west isn't the only direction. North-South also applies. Florida is just as far as Omaha. So the travel will be better, especially if they break into two six team east-west divisions with round robin play within the division, and fewer games outside of it.

The biggest problem with the NNBE is that the teams were increasing not just west, but south. And all the likely additions were also either south or far west. I think the C7 did exactly the right thing, and I look forward to them putting together a strong baskteball focused league, and the Big East was intended.

 

[upstater]

But west isn't the only direction. North-South also applies. Florida is just as far as Omaha. So the travel will be better, especially if they break into two six team east-west divisions with round robin play within the division, and fewer games outside of it.

The biggest problem with the NNBE is that the teams were increasing not just west, but south. And all the likely additions were also either south or far west. I think the C7 did exactly the right thing, and I look forward to them putting together a strong baskteball focused league, and the Big East was intended.

The flight to warm Florida is a pleasure and a cinch. It's direct Now try flying direct from Philly to chilly Nebraska. You can't. In fact, there are direct flights everywhere to Dallas and Houston as well.

 

[Vowelguy]

No, certainly I'm not suggesting that a decision they made 30 years ago still applies today! Certainly not. How about last year, though? How about until, presumably, Tulane changed their minds according to the Marquette AD (although we all know it had less to do with Tulane coming in and more to do with Louisville and Rutgers leaving).

They knew that meant the contract would be much much less than it would have been had those teams stayed. That's when they made their decision. F#$k 30 years ago....I'm talking about a few months ago!!!

The decision to stay in a relationship is much different than one made from scratch about whom to associate with.

 

[uconNYC]

You use a formula that shows Georgetown and 'Nova not taking more money than PC out of the pot to justify a conclusion that UConn should be paid its share based not on the conference average but its intrinsic value? How in the world does that conclusion flow from that premise?

That's why I said we should expect around 10M even though our value is about 13M

 

[CL82]

Yes, that's the current deal (not counting tier 3 rights).

Got it that's per team # now, not the ESPN offer that was rejected, correct?

 

[upstater]

Got it that's per team # now, not the ESPN offer that was rejected, correct?

Right, the ESPN offer was $13m + per team

 

[UConnDan97]

The decision to stay in a relationship is much different than one made from scratch about whom to associate with.

Not really. In the business world (which is what this is), both are based on money...

 

[CL82]

Right, the ESPN offer was $13m + per team

What I'm saying if ESPN keeps the gross number the same as the rejected offer and the BE has less teams, then arguably both sides can make the deal and claim victory.

 

[Vowelguy]

Not really. In the business world (which is what this is), both are based on money...

Thus, since UConn is in a conference with Tulane, we can therefore conclude that if it got to start a new conference, UConn would choose Tulane.

 

[Carl Spackler]

The flight to warm Florida is a pleasure and a cinch. It's direct Now try flying direct from Philly to chilly Nebraska. You can't. In fact, there are direct flights everywhere to Dallas and Houston as well.

Tried to make this point yesterday. The conference were looking at is an air travel league, and it's being set up as the easiest air travel league that it can be.

I still say that as soon as the Athletic departments at Texas and Oklahoma get a good taste of flying in to Pittsburgh, and then driving an hour and half into a different state for their athletic teams to West Virginia - that marriage is going to be on the rocks.


For a realistic example of what it would be like for Texas to get to Morgantown....take your basketball team, and pretend you just got your teams on flight out of Austin to go play UConn, except ithe flight is landing at JFK, and you've got get your bags, get on a bus, head out on the VanWyck and cross the bridges and ride up to Hartford.

 

[upstater]

What I'm saying if ESPN keeps the gross number the same as the rejected offer and the BE has less teams, then arguably both sides can make the deal and claim victory.

I see. Well, I'm expecting a huge bump, but since we don't even know the number of teams, we can only concern ourselves with UConn's take. That being said, since ESPN certainly has a lot of inventory, maybe they do have a set amount because they can only show so many games. In which case, it makes much more sense to keep the conference small. Which is what I favor anyway. 10 teams.

 

[Vowelguy]

I still say that as soon as the Athletic departments at Texas and Oklahoma get a good taste of flying in to Pittsburgh, and then driving an hour and half into a different state for their athletic teams to West Virginia - that marriage is going to be on the rocks.

For a realistic example of what it would be like for Texas to get to Morgantown....take your basketball team, and pretend you just got your teams on flight out of Austin to go play UConn, except ithe flight is landing at JFK, and you've got get your bags, get on a bus, head out on the VanWyck and cross the bridges and ride up to Hartford.

Don't the FB and BB teams travel by charter? (There _is_ an apt in Morgantown.)

Also I thought you said 90 mins from Pitt to M-town, and I can't imagine there's much chance of traffic congestion? JFK to Hartford could be 2 ... or a lot more depending on traffic.

 

[Carl Spackler]

Don't the FB and BB teams travel by charter? (There _is_ an apt in Morgantown.)

Also I thought you said 90 mins from Pitt to M-town, and I can't imagine there's much chance of traffic congestion? JFK to Hartford could be 2 ... or a lot more depending on traffic.

So the entire big 12 is going to charter flights for their entire athletic departments, instead of flying commercial? and traffic.....exactly.

Truthfully, I don't know the runway characteristics at Morgantown Municipal, but I've been there, and it's not going to be taking jets regularly from points west and south to texas, unless it gets some major work. The majority of aircraft out of there are rotor driven.

 

[freescooter]

Most major college teams fly charters except in a few limited cases. Pretty tough to book 125 seats between Morgantown and College Station. On the other hand some college basketball teams don't charter. I remember hearing an interview with the Seton Hall AD acouple of years ago and he was saying that was something he intended to change. SHU was flying lots of commercial flights. Some schools might fly the occasional commercial flight if it is to a location that is relatively easy to reach via direct flight and their are convenient flight times that match up with games. And didn't the UConn women take the train to Philly last year one time?

 

[Vowelguy]

Truthfully, I don't know the runway characteristics at Morgantown Municipal, but I've been there, and it's not going to be taking jets regularly from points west and south to texas, unless it gets some major work. The majority of aircraft out of there are rotor driven.

Ah, gotcha.

 

[Vowelguy]

And didn't the UConn women take the train to Philly last year one time?

Yes, but UConn women are the exception in flying charter. Almost no other women's team does.