Byron Jones broad jump combine record

[BNich]

Congrats to Byron Jones, future Oakland Raiders 1st round draft pick!

Al Davis died a few years ago. But good try. If you have followed the Raiders since McKenzie has taken over, they aren't H/W/S kind of draft mind set they were under Davis. And yes I am a Raider fan.

 

[sub legacy]

I'm gonna go ahead and call BS on this.

You've never read commentary from anywhere other than the Boneyard. Go ahead and tell me I'm making it up again, I'll drop it for you. My whole point is that stars don't matter, or is that way over your head for some reason.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

So did this end up really being a world record?

How the hell did a college football cornerback get a world record in this and not some Olympian who trains for the event (or similar event as I'm not even sure if this if part of track and field).

 

[CTMike]

Commenters on Courant articles make this place look like a MENSA convention...painful to read and best avoided.

 

[sub legacy]

Commenters on Courant articles make this place look like a MENSA convention...painful to read and best avoided.

True, I know. I wasn't going to screenshot it, but apparently the idea that anyone would badmouth this coach, program, or the athletes that come here and borderline defend Pasqualoni is somehow unfathomable to some people for whatever the reason.

 

[Excalibur]

So did this end up really being a world record?

How the hell did a college football cornerback get a world record in this and not some Olympian who trains for the event (or similar event as I'm not even sure if this if part of track and field).

The standing broad jump hasn't been an Olympic event for nearly a century.

 

[whaler11]

True, I know. I wasn't going to screenshot it, but apparently the idea that anyone would badmouth this coach, program, or the athletes that come here and borderline defend Pasqualoni is somehow unfathomable to some people for whatever the reason.

I wouldn't call that a defense of P. It was just especially savage towards Diaco.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

You've never read commentary from anywhere other than the Boneyard. Go ahead and tell me I'm making it up again, I'll drop it for you. My whole point is that stars don't matter, or is that way over your head for some reason.

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I've seen much dumber stuff posted here. But I still didn't see anyone state that we need a top 25 recruiting class to compete.

And we've gone over the recruiting stuff as nauseum. Frankly there are too many people who get their sensitivities hurt when discussing the reality. WingU has a solid thread about that. Go there and discuss it like an adult if you wish. This should be about Byron.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

The standing broad jump hasn't been an Olympic event for nearly a century.

So basically the only people that do it are the guys at the combine? Still pretty unbelievable that our guy has the record.

 

[Excalibur]

I've seen much dumber stuff posted here. But I still didn't see anyone state that we need a top 25 recruiting class to compete.

And we've gone over the recruiting stuff as nauseum. Frankly there are too many people who get their sensitivities hurt when discussing the reality. WingU has a solid thread about that. Go there and discuss it like an adult if you wish. This should be about Byron.

The closest I've seen is UConnFamily posting that we will not consistently beat teams made up of mostly 3, 4 and 5 star athletes with a team made up mostly of 2 star guys, which conveniently ignores that

1) We have done so in the past, under a prior regime,
2) Our opponents in-conference will not be "made up" of 4 and 5 star players.

 

[IMind]

The closest I've seen is UConnFamily posting that we will not consistently beat teams made up of mostly 3, 4 and 5 star athletes with a team made up mostly of 2 star guys, which conveniently ignores that

1) We have done so in the past, under a prior regime,
2) Our opponents in-conference will not be "made up" of 4 and 5 star players.

And that other teams do so on a consistent basis.

 

[IMind]

If someone posted that playing the Daily Numbers is a bad investment, we'd get a post everytime someone saw a ticket cashed at a gas station as if it was argued nobody ever wins.

I largely agree with you about offers as a better measurement of talent level... but I think when you say stuff like the Daily Numbers you're downplaying what went on here in the past. I think 2* recruits are much more like micro/nano cap stocks. If you're an excellent at evaluation and projection you can make a killing and out perform your peers. It's what Edsall did here. It's what Rich Rod did at West Virginia... it's how teams like TCU and Boise State got great. It's MUCH MUCH harder to do...but if you're in the AAC and if you're recruiting territory includes upstate New York, Mass, and New Hampshire... you better be able to do it.

 

[sub legacy]

I've seen much dumber stuff posted here. But I still didn't see anyone state that we need a top 25 recruiting class to compete.

And we've gone over the recruiting stuff as nauseum. Frankly there are too many people who get their sensitivities hurt when discussing the reality. WingU has a solid thread about that. Go there and discuss it like an adult if you wish. This should be about Byron.

Then that's just a case of sarcasm being lost on you with the Top 25 remark. Never did I claim that as a quote or an exact reference; nor was that ever solely the point. If you're over the topic of recruiting rankings that's one thing, and understandable. But to flat out shoot down my entire point altogether is incredibly flippant and holier than thou. My original point was that this is yet another (small) example as to why recruiting rankings, while having their place to some capacity, sure as h*ll isn't the gospel when it comes to projecting a players potential for success on any level. Instead, it's now strung out into a 5+ post debate because you wanted to poke holes and fact check a one line statement down to the letter. If you have a certain segment of the fan base stating that this class isn't D1 caliber, or complaining about recruiting rankings, or insinuating that the Pasqualoni regime was any better overall compared to Diaco's one year as a rookie head coach, then that's clearly a reflection of their expectation that Chris Clark and Snoop Dogg's son were well on their way to UConn until that d^mn Diaco showed up and f••ked it all up -- hence the Top 25 remark. Apart from any of that, I really don't understand what makes you think I'm just here to pi•ss on Byron's parade or moment. Quite the opposite, but take it how you want to.

...That is all.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

The closest I've seen is UConnFamily posting that we will not consistently beat teams made up of mostly 3, 4 and 5 star athletes with a team made up mostly of 2 star guys, which conveniently ignores that

1) We have done so in the past, under a prior regime,
2) Our opponents in-conference will not be "made up" of 4 and 5 star players.

OK, I'll grant you that one. It was a dumb post by UConnFamily.

 

[J187Money]

Offers actually are a textbook evaluation of talent by professionals. Do you think the NFL draft isn't an evaluation of talent either? They don't have statisical significance except for the obvious correlation in the regression. Bonus statistic that correlates perfectly: 31-49. I hope that your constant arguments against logic and evidence are satisfying whatever emotional need you have for your version of reality to be correct. So desperate to sell your version that you have to pathetically share your academic credentials to attempt to give your argument credibility. You can continue to recite your mantra until the end of time, but anyone who is willing to accept how the sport functions understands that at an aggregate level offers matter.

The only thing I would argue a little differently is that the 31-49 has a lot more to do with the star rating/effectiveness of the QB position than it does across the board. Recruiting could remain the same with a legit 4* QB and that record is a lot better.

 

[whaler11]

I largely agree with you about offers as a better measurement of talent level... but I think when you say stuff like the Daily Numbers you're downplaying what went on here in the past. I think 2* recruits are much more like micro/nano cap stocks. If you're an excellent at evaluation and projection you can make a killing and out perform your peers. It's what Edsall did here. It's what Rich Rod did at West Virginia... it's how teams like TCU and Boise State got great. It's MUCH MUCH harder to do...but if you're in the AAC and if you're recruiting territory includes upstate New York, Mass, and New Hampshire... you better be able to do it.

I wasn't calling the players lottery tickets. Was comparing the concept of arguing against the aggregate with specific examples.

There were a lot of really good players they recruited - they are also 31-49 in conference and when they stepped up in class they generally got smacked around. What is the record against the top 25? 2-22 or something at this point?

 

[Pudge]

Kids lie about offers. Parents lie about offers.

Mike Farrell lies. John O. at RutgersRivals lies. About Offers.

Diaco did what he could. He brought in, largely, Plus Recruiting professionals/assistants. Largely harvested the NJ territory he knows well - expect more of same (like PA where HCRE did well).

We weren't going to win Competitive 3 Star recruiting battles out of the box easily. With time (and far longer relationship building) AND Success on the field, Diaco WILL win these kids. I guess the misrepresentation that strikes me most is WE think kids get sold with a solid one time pitch & glitz like a helicopter landing to see them. The reality - I bet parents would confirm - is a large percentage of the top kids are identified & courted for years. In the Northeast (DC thru Maine). Picking off FL or GA kids or finding Lawrence Wilson is pure hard work.

Edsall knew Byron Jones was a STAR early. Gifted him to PP. Courted him for years. Did not whisper his name to Rivals ever.

 

[IMind]

I wasn't calling the players lottery tickets. Was comparing the concept of arguing against the aggregate with specific examples.

There were a lot of really good players they recruited - they are also 31-49 in conference and when they stepped up in class they generally got smacked around. What is the record against the top 25? 2-22 or something at this point?

Yeah, but with recruiting classes rated in the 70-90s. Edsall also had an awful lot of kids nabbed that he was on first. He clearly had some issues identifying and recruiting great WRs and QBs... which I think explains why our record was so woeful against Top 25 (that and some questionable game day coaching). We never had a high powered offense... but it's pretty clear that he was doing something extraordinary when you look at RBs, DLs, and especially DBs.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Then that's just a case of sarcasm being lost on you with the Top 25 remark. Oh, so now it's sarcasm. You went and posted comments from Courant articles to prove your sarcastic point that you really didn't mean. Never did I claim that as a quote or an exact reference; (yes, you actually did) nor was that ever solely the point. If you're over the topic of recruiting rankings that's one thing, and understandable. But to flat out shoot down my entire point altogether is incredibly flippant and holier than thou. My original point was that this is yet another (small) example as to why recruiting rankings, while having their place to some capacity, sure as h*ll isn't the gospel when it comes to projecting a players potential for success on any level. Out of curiosity, who is disagreeing with you here other than UConnFamily? Instead, it's now strung out into a 5+ post debate because you wanted to poke holes and fact check a one line statement down to the letter. You picked the fight. Don't feign outrage when people give you the fight. If you have a certain segment of the fan base stating that this class isn't D1 caliber, or complaining about recruiting rankings, or insinuating that the Pasqualoni regime was any better overall compared to Diaco's one year as a rookie head coach, then that's clearly a reflection of their expectation that Chris Clark and Snoop Dogg's son were well on their way to UConn until that d^mn Diaco showed up and f••ked it all up -- hence the Top 25 remark. The problem with this is that I've never read this anywhere on the BY. It's a complete fabrication. Apart from any of that, I really don't understand what makes you think I'm just here to pi•ss on Byron's parade or moment. You took a thread dedicated to what Jones did at the Combine and rehashed the pissing match that we had with Pudge and others. Quite the opposite, but take it how you want to.

...That is all.

The strangest part about this is that I'm not sure you really disagree with what myself, whaler, and WingU are stating.

 

[sub legacy]

The strangest part about this is that I'm not sure you really disagree with what myself, whaler, and WingU are stating.

Well since you like fact checking so much, show me when I ever quoted that from anybody else or presented it as a quote in general. It's not me backtracking if I never tried to present it as known fact or literal in the first place. That's make me a pathological liar now just because you took something too literally? Really??

All of which, as I already said, was besides the point anyway. You're the one making it into an argument.

 

[Confident Carl]

I've seen much dumber stuff posted here. But I still didn't see anyone state that we need a top 25 recruiting class to compete.

And we've gone over the recruiting stuff as nauseum. Frankly there are too many people who get their sensitivities hurt when discussing the reality. WingU has a solid thread about that. Go there and discuss it like an adult if you wish. This should be about Byron.

That's where you are missing it JS. Byron would be the first to say, on the contrary this is not just about me. It's about the progression of UCONN football and if I am living proof that a two star that had no other offers but UCONN can become a high draft pick in the NFL then I want that card to be played all day long. If my performance in the combines can tell other quality prospects who are considering UCONN that they can develop their skills and play at the next level, then my personal goals and accomplishments professionally aside, it makes me all the more proud to be a UCONN husky.

Arn't you getting tired of the me first, once and done player headed to the NBA for the big pay check because it's all about them?

I give credit to sub legacy for making a strong case that star system although with some merit, is flawed as has been demonstrated in the case of Byron Jones.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Well since you like fact checking so much, show me when I ever quoted that from anybody else or presented it as a quote in general. It's not me backtracking if I never tried to present it as known fact or literal in the first place. That's make me a pathological liar now just because you took something too literally? Really??

All of which, as I already said, was besides the point anyway. You're the one making it into an argument.

"This goes out to all the complainers who genuinely believe we need a Top 25 recruiting class just to compete."

I guess I should've known that you were talking to imaginary complainers who never said anything like that. My bad.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

That's where you are missing it JS. Byron would be the first to say, on the contrary this is not just about me. It's about the progression of UCONN football and if I am living proof that a two star that had no other offers but UCONN can become a high draft pick in the NFL then I want that card to be played all day long. If my performance in the combines can tell other quality prospects who are considering UCONN that they can develop their skills and play at the next level, then my personal goals and accomplishments professionally aside, it makes me all the more proud to be a UCONN husky.

Arn't you getting tired of the me first, once and done player headed to the NBA for the big pay check because it's all about them?

I give credit to sub legacy for making a strong case that star system although with some merit, is flawed as has been demonstrated in the case of Byron Jones.

To your first point, I highly doubt that Jones' broad jump number lands us one single recruit.

Secondly, who has said that the star system isn't flawed? I don't even think UConnFamily has made that claim.

 

[J187Money]

So did this end up really being a world record? How the hell did a college football cornerback get a world record in this and not some Olympian who trains for the event (or similar event as I'm not even sure if this if part of track and field).

It's not a real event.

 

[CTMike]

What are we even arguing at this point? We all agree that the star system is flawed, more so outside of the 4-5* kids. Is the argument that Jones should have been rated higher than a 2*?

Oh, this flawed way of trying to predict the future based only on old information didn't pan out? Who cares? Jones improved by leaps and bounds after the rating. That reflects primarily on him and maybe secondarily on UConn.

 

[sub legacy]

"This goes out to all the complainers who genuinely believe we need a Top 25 recruiting class just to compete."

I guess I should've known that you were talking to imaginary complainers who never said anything like that. My bad.

Must be nice in that shiny bubble of yours.

 

[Confident Carl]

To your first point, I highly doubt that Jones' broad jump number lands us one single recruit.

Secondly, who has said that the star system isn't flawed? I don't even think UConnFamily has made that claim.

I would tend to agree that the broad jump record makes good news print and is for now a good indication that Byron's draft status will improve. He still has to run the 40 and do the bench. After all that if he gets drafted, with a good contract then it will be good advertising for UCONN football. UCONN basketball's best advertisement is championships and the number of successful NBA professionals that played for UCONN.

There is some validity to your point that combine results alone don't necessarily equate to NFL success. In Byron's case most at UCONN and I am sure you included want to see him go in the 1st two rounds of the draft.

Regarding the star system some rely too heavily upon it but most with half a brain know it's not a perfect system of identifying success at the college level.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I would tend to agree that the broad jump record makes good news print and is for now a good indication that Byron's draft status will improve. He still has to run the 40 and do the bench. After all that if he gets drafted, with a good contract then it will be good advertising for UCONN football. UCONN basketball's best advertisement is championships and the number of successful NBA professionals that played for UCONN.

There is some validity to your point that combine results alone don't necessarily equate to NFL success. In Byron's case most at UCONN and I am sure you included want to see him go in the 1st two rounds of the draft.

Regarding the star system some rely too heavily upon it but most with half a brain know it's not a perfect system of identifying success at the college level.

There we go Carl. Common ground. Took us a while.

 

[sub legacy]

What are we even arguing at this point? We all agree that the star system is flawed, more so outside of the 4-5* kids. Is the argument that Jones should have been rated higher than a 2*?

Oh, this flawed way of trying to predict the future based only on old information didn't pan out? Who cares? Jones improved by leaps and bounds after the rating. That reflects primarily on him and maybe secondarily on UConn.

Believe me, I wasn't "arguing" anything.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Must be nice in that shiny bubble of yours.

Is this your mea culpa?

Next time when you go picking fights don't feign outrage when you get it.