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Butler hires Thad Matta

superjohn said:
I was talking about the NCAA tournament. Only Stubblefield and Ewing have less of a tournament resume than Hurley. You may consider the Big 10 and Pac lesser leagues but they are power conferences and Matta and Miller had enormous tournament success at those places and also had tournament success in their other jobs. Shaka made a final 4 out of the Colonial and Holloway made an elite 8 out of the MAAC.
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All good points.

But then this use of the second person, which was either a weird thing to address toward @McLovin, or the kind of heavy-handed, self-claimed pronouncement that usually signals hubris, ignorance, dissociation, insecurity, affectation, or anointment. Who knows?
superjohn said:
You're judged by how you do in March, Hurley needs to step it up.
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As you are fond of saying, Weird.
 
Hans Sprungfeld said:
All good points.

But then this use of the second person, which was either a weird thing to address toward @McLovin, or the kind of heavy-handed, self-claimed pronouncement that usually signals hubris, ignorance, dissociation, insecurity, affectation, or anointment. Who knows?

As you are fond of saying, Weird.
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This is rich coming from the guy who is asking for my number.

He said they all won in lesser leagues except for Wright, McDermott, and Cooley.

Find another hobby or find another leg to hump. I've tried to be nice but your act is tired and creepy. Please stop replying to my posts.
 
UCDaveD said:
Being honest, if it were guaranteed he would hang around at least 5-7 years, I’d trade Hurley for Thad in a heartbeat.
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Sort of agree. Matta is going to do really well at Butler.
 
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Home run hire for butler. There is one last coach that needs to be replaced in the big east (obviously Ewing). My guess is Rick Pitino next year
 
superjohn said:
This is rich coming from the guy who is asking for my number.

He said they all won in lesser leagues except for Wright, McDermott, and Cooley.

Find another hobby or find another leg to hump. I've tried to be nice but your act is tired and creepy. Please stop replying to my posts.
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So you can't take a compliment for your good points, improperly use pronouns, feel free to incorrectly characterize me, claim that you try to be nice, label me in an uncomplinentary fashion, and close with a polite request, all because you dislike my speaking up when you try to universalize your personal opinion. Please moderate yourself.

I have no idea what asking for your number means, but it sounds creepy to me.
 
bendm said:
Tier 1: Wright
Tier 2: McDermott, Matta
Tier 3: Smart, Cooley, Miller
Tier 4: Hurley, Holloway
Tier 5: Anderson, Stubblefield
Tier 6: Ewing

A win in the tourney bumps Hurley to tier 3
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Miller is in the sewage bilge in the basement
 
shizzle787 said:
Just waiting for Georgetown to get rid of Ewing, and I'm not sure Anderson is the guy for St. John's.
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You'll be waiting a long time for the Georgetown situation - Pat Ewing will be there a while - I'm very OK with that
Anderson is a really good coach and is perfect for St Johns - he brings the style that the NYC people like - he will get some studs - the guy has won over 400 games and brought 3 teams to numerous NCAAS and reached the elite eight and sweet sixteen. He is a much better coach than most people give him credit. In both experience and success he is above Dan Hurley
 
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navery12 said:
If you want to have Hurley in tier 4 that's fine even if I disagree, but there's no world where Hurley and Holloway are in the same tier
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Hurley tier 4 is fair IMO. Holloway should be 5 until he does something in a high-major program.
 
Matta is the oldest 54 y/o of all time. He's also a great coach and will make the league better.
 
McLovin said:
I totally agree. I was just pointing out that Hurley has won in March, just not at UConn.

And Matta and Miller are clearly a notch above Hurley.

My point was more that if we are going to not include Hurley's wins in the postseason because they didn't happen at UConn, then the only guys who have won as a head coach of a team that was in the Big East at the time is Wright, McDermott and Cooley.

@bendm that above was also the point I poorly was trying to make (when Matta & Miller were at Butler & Xavier pre NBE)

FWIW, since Shakka's Final 4 he is 2-8 in the NCAAs and has the same number of second round and second weekend appearances as Hurley (2 and 0). Holloway has never even been to another NCAA tournament as HC besides this past one, Hurley has been to 4 of the past 6.

Lot's of apples and oranges. But I think we are all on the same page that it's time for Hurley to win more game in March if he wants to be considered among the leagues top tier coaches.
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Saying Dan Hurley has won in March is true, but not genuine IMO. He’s only won 2 games and has a loosing record in the tournament. Shaka GOT to a final 4. Hurley’s never gotten out of round of 32. Not a sign of a good tourney coach IMO. like it or not Holloway has only been a HC for 4 years has more lifetime NCAA wins than Hurley.
 
NJHusky said:
Saying Dan Hurley has won in March is true, but not genuine IMO. He’s only won 2 games and has a loosing record in the tournament. Shaka GOT to a final 4. Hurley’s never gotten out of round of 32. Not a sign of a good tourney coach IMO. like it or not Holloway has only been a HC for 4 years has more lifetime NCAA wins than Hurley.
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He’ll have his chances to prove himself. Watching the games these last few weeks I didn’t see any coaches act like Dan Hurley does on the sidelines. That worries me a little. Or maybe I just don’t like his face.
 
Dean Wormer said:
Watching the games these last few weeks I didn’t see any coaches act like Dan Hurley does on the sidelines. That worries me a little.
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Agree. Seems like his major coaching move is “play harder”. I guess it’s worked for him as a player and coach at the lower levels. Don’t think that’s plausible here since He’s going up against the best college coaches now. He needs to evolve. I was really excited about his hire. Now I’m hoping he Can evolve as a coach.

One troublesome factoid to me was that I think his dad said in an interview he looks to Greenberg and Lavine for advice. Not exactly HOF coaches
 
husky429 said:
Hurley tier 4 is fair IMO. Holloway should be 5 until he does something in a high-major program.
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Yeah after some thought I'd say it should really be Cooley and Hurley in tier 4 and Holloway 5, rather than Hurley moving up
 
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methodology said:
Cooley is a tier above Hurley. It’s insane the disrespect Cooley gets on here and the “greatness” of Hurley that he has yet to deliver results when it matters
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No he's not. Until this year Cooley had the same knock against him that he couldn't win in the NCAA tournament. And Hurley certainly isn't getting as long as Cooley got at PC without winning.

They are literally on the same career path in the Big East right now. No NCAA tournament years 1 and 2, round of 64 exit years 3 and 4. And then Cooley finally won a game year 5
 
navery12 said:
No he's not. Until this year Cooley had the same knock against him that he couldn't win in the NCAA tournament. And Hurley certainly isn't getting as long as Cooley got at PC without winning.

They are literally on the same career path in the Big East right now. No NCAA tournament years 1 and 2, round of 64 exit years 3 and 4. And then Cooley finally won a game year 5
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I will bet you any amount known to man kind Hurley doesn’t win AP COY in year 5.

Cooley is a better coach, better in game coach and does more with less. Cooley would have coached UConn better this year than Hurley and gone farther
 
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methodology said:
Hurley might not even make it 11 years. I’ll make you a futures bet
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Yes. That's my point, thank you for finally coming around to it. If Hurley had Ed Cooley's resume he'd be lucky to have a job after 5 or 6 years. And right now he does have that resume, which is why unless things change he'll be lucky to have a job here in 2024
 
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navery12 said:
Yes. That's my point, thank you for finally coming around to it. If Hurley had Ed Cooley's resume he'd be lucky to have a job after 5 or 6 years. And right now he does have that resume, which is why unless things change he'll be lucky to have a job here in 2024
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If you are trying to say UConn and Providence are equals and started from the same point that’s all I need to know about you tilting the playing field

UConn is the Yankees/Red Sox and providence is like the Orioles.

You shouldn’t be cheerleading and throwing your Pom poms in the air because after 5 years they have accomplished the same.

That right there proves Cooley is better. It doesn’t take 5 years to rebuild a program like UConn and have zero NCAA tourney wins. That’s a failure and it’s all due to Hurley, no one else.
 
methodology said:
If you are trying to say UConn and Providence are equals and started from the same point that’s all I need to know about you tilting the playing field

UConn is the Yankees/Red Sox and providence is like the Orioles.

You shouldn’t be cheerleading and throwing your Pom poms in the air because after 5 years they have accomplished the same.

That right there proves Cooley is better. It doesn’t take 5 years to rebuild a program like UConn and have zero NCAA tourney wins. That’s a failure and it’s all due to Hurley, no one else.
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Alright, I'm done here because I didn't say a single one of those things. Clown.
 
superjohn said:
Big East is a who's who of coaching, Hurley needs to step his game up.
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All of the sudden Hurley feels like just a middle-of-the-pack coach in the B.E. And that's not criticizing Hurley. Just stating how stacked this league has gotten.

Amazing hires this offseason
 
methodology said:
If you are trying to say UConn and Providence are equals and started from the same point that’s all I need to know about you tilting the playing field

UConn is the Yankees/Red Sox and providence is like the Orioles.

You shouldn’t be cheerleading and throwing your Pom poms in the air because after 5 years they have accomplished the same.

That right there proves Cooley is better. It doesn’t take 5 years to rebuild a program like UConn and have zero NCAA tourney wins. That’s a failure and it’s all due to Hurley, no one else.
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Who's cheerleading and throwing pom pom's in the air? He was just making a point they've done very similar things through the first 5 years. Can't wait til UConn makes a nice little tourney run 22/23 season then is setup to win a natty in 23/24, then I'll be throwing my pom poms in the air. Dan Hurley is the right guy for the job.
 
NJHusky said:
Agree. Seems like his major coaching move is “play harder”. I guess it’s worked for him as a player and coach at the lower levels. Don’t think that’s plausible here since He’s going up against the best college coaches now. He needs to evolve. I was really excited about his hire. Now I’m hoping he Can evolve as a coach.

One troublesome factoid to me was that I think his dad said in an interview he looks to Greenberg and Lavine for advice. Not exactly HOF coaches
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My impression FWIW, is that Hurley wants to build and coach a team like Houston which is based on rugged defense and offensive and defensive rebounding, which isn't a bad thing. But I think Sampson is just better at it than Hurley and as many have noted here, Hurley doesn't seem like he is great at coaching offense and that it's not emphasized nearly as much as defense and rebounding. But at the same time I think he is better at coaching offense than his naysayers would admit and some of the blame has to go to the players for the bad offense.

Hurley is still young in terms of being a coach and just like players develop or how we develop at our careers, Hurley can do the same and improve as well. He is by no means at his peak.
 
gsmooth said:
My impression FWIW, is that Hurley wants to build and coach a team like Houston which is based on rugged defense and offensive and defensive rebounding, which isn't a bad thing. But I think Sampson is just better at it than Hurley and as many have noted here, Hurley doesn't seem like he is great at coaching offense and that it's not emphasized nearly as much as defense and rebounding. But at the same time I think he is better at coaching offense than his naysayers would admit and some of the blame has to go to the players for the bad offense.

Hurley is still young in terms of being a coach and just like players develop or how we develop at our careers, Hurley can do the same and improve as well. He is by no means at his peak.
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All good points. I agree that blame goes on the players but great coaches adjust their game plan to the players. Avg coaches try to force their players into a system. My .02
 
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