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HW611 said:
In fairness to Dyson, he’s probably remembered a lot differently if he doesn’t hurt his knee in 2009 and we win a championship.

One of the teams leading scorers and best perimeter defenders over his 4 years here. If we win in 2009 he probably sails off into the sunset as a junior and is remembered more for his toughness and slicin dyson than that 2010 season.

Feel bad as that knee injury was kind of life changing for him.
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He was nice in that role his junior season but Price, Thabeet, and Adrien were all better than him and Price's career was certainly derailed a lot more than Dyson's. Sticks career was also impacted by being ineligible first semester. We can do what ifs all day with former players. What if Marcus Williams wasn't involved in the laptop thing as well as what if he didn't miss the first semester of his freshman season? What if Nadav didn't return to Israel? What if Rashad didn't get staph infection? Dyson is simply out of place on that list, IMO.
 
superjohn said:
He was nice in that role his junior season but Price, Thabeet, and Adrien were all better than him and Price's career was certainly derailed a lot more than Dyson's. Sticks career was also impacted by being ineligible first semester. We can do what ifs all day with former players. What if Marcus Williams wasn't involved in the laptop thing as well as what if he didn't miss the first semester of his freshman season? What if Nadav didn't return to Israel? What if Rashad didn't get staph infection? Dyson is simply out of place on that list, IMO.
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I don’t think any of those situations had the impact of costing the team a championship and the player himself a first round draft pick at the same time. Then coming back for the very turbulent 2010 season.

If we win Sticks probably becomes a first rounder that year too in 2009 and doesn’t come back.

Him and Cam pretty much had the same roles for their teams. Except in Cam’s case he was responsible for one side of the ball (which he was absolutely elite at).

Dyson was a true two way. Not too many guys can say they had the responsibility of guarding and going toe to toe with a John Wall and Derrick Rose in their college careers.
 
HW611 said:
I don’t think we missed at the PG position since the 90s with Calhoun.

It’s crazy the consistency we’ve had there.

Carried over to the Ollie years but unfortunately, he couldn’t coach any other position worth a damn.
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Guy must have a Calhoun shrine in his room.
 
HW611 said:
I don’t think any of those situations had the impact of costing the team a championship and the player himself a first round draft pick at the same time. Then coming back for the very turbulent 2010 season.

If we win Sticks probably becomes a first rounder that year too in 2009 and doesn’t come back.

Him and Cam pretty much had the same roles for their teams. Except in Cam’s case he was responsible for one side of the ball (which he was absolutely elite at).

Dyson was a true two way. Not too many guys can say they had the responsibility of guarding and going toe to toe with a John Wall and Derrick Rose in their college careers.
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Cam was the best offensive player on the most dominant team in the 64 team era and had the best offensive rating in the country. Dyson was nothing like him, Cam was a much better player.

If you have trouble remembering them on the court or didn't know what you were watching look at the stats and advanced #'s, Cam absolutely smokes Dyson.

Wall and Rose each went for 9 ppg above their average in their games against UConn. Kentucky and Memphis both beat UConn.
 
superjohn said:
Cam was the best offensive player on the most dominant team in the 64 team era and had the best offensive rating in the country. Dyson was nothing like him, Cam was a much better player.
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They were definitely nothing alike. They were polar opposites but not in positive or negative ways.

I know Cam is your favorite UConn player ever though so this isn’t going to be much of a discussion lol
 
HW611 said:
They were definitely nothing alike. They were polar opposites but not in positive or negative ways.

I know Cam is your favorite UConn player ever though so this isn’t going to be much of a discussion lol
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Cam Spencer effective field goal percentage- .606

Jerome Dyson junior season- .455

Cam Spencer offensive and defensive win shares plus total win shares- 5.2 offensive win shares 2.6 defensive win shares 7.9 total win shares

Win shares/40 .239


Jerome Dyson offensive and defensive win shares plus total win shares- 0.8 offensive win shares 2.1 defensive win shares 2.9 total win shares

Win shares/40 .165
 
RuffRuff said:
This admiration has definitely evolved into something far more than that.
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I’m sorry. I won’t ever bring up the coach who built our favorite program again. How weird it is to acknowledge the things he was really good at as UConn fans.
 
HW611 said:
I’m sorry. I won’t ever bring up the coach who built our favorite program again. How weird it is to acknowledge the things he was really good at as UConn fans.
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Here and now, vs the chronic 20 year look back, often as a comparison. The rules were significantly different.
 
superjohn said:
Cam Spencer effective field goal percentage- .606

Jerome Dyson junior season- .455

Cam Spencer offensive and defensive win shares plus total win shares- 5.2 offensive win shares 2.6 defensive win shares 7.9 total win shares

Win shares/40 .239


Jerome Dyson offensive and defensive win shares plus total win shares- 0.8 offensive win shares 2.1 defensive win shares 2.9 total win shares

Win shares/40 .165
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Yes, Cam was easily the better player. His mental game was light years ahead of Dyson. Dyson was just a good athlete. He was reckless. There is not a neural observer who would say Jerome Dyson was anywhere near as good as Spencer. Cam is already getting solid minutes at the NBA level, something Dyson never sniffed.

H611 is simply attached to the Calhoun era, so anything back then is better than under Hurley. He also doesn't think the mental side of the sport is important, that any good athlete can be taught to be great. When that couldn't be farther from the truth. The level of bias in the stance is something difficult to understand.
 
superjohn said:
My take on the chart and the $ values- Napier was better than Newton and Smitty is too low at $1.

Dyson also feels totally out of place on this chart. Cam was only here one season but he was a far better player than Dyson and a major reason we had the most dominant team ever in the 64 team tournament. Boat also played shooting guard and was only really the point his senior season, he was also better than Dyson. Also, Chris Smith was the shooting guard and Tate was the point guard. Smitty was far better than Dyson.

I would also switch up Clingan and Thabeet even though Thabeet has the personal accolades and Clingan has the championships. I just thought Clingan was more impactful but I can see some people having Thabeet ahead of him.
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I agree with this for the most part.
 
I think Chris Smith is highly underrated. He could score at all 3 levels and while they weren't slouches, it's not the same as it has been much of the last 25 years.
Even if people switch Clingan to $4, I'll still keep my lineup except drop AK and take Kevin Freeman for nothing if that's allowed. Even a little undersized, he was a great defender/rebounder and his senior year turned into a serviceable spot up shooter on the baseline. He was also very quick at the position and was pretty good finishing around the rim. Or I get tempted to take Boone and play him at PF like he sometimes did with Emeka.
 
If we're allowed to take guys for 0, that changes things.

I'm too indecisive to make a definitive list, because there are so many options. But having a Marcus Williams or someone at PG would change the equation. The 2006 team being a big disappointment makes people forget how unbelievable he was that season, passing and shooting.
 
Mr. French said:
If we're allowed to take guys for 0, that changes things.

I'm too indecisive to make a definitive list, because there are so many options. But having a Marcus Williams or someone at PG would change the equation. The 2006 team being a big disappointment makes people forget how unbelievable he was that season, passing and shooting.
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That team was simply a guard short. The frontcourt was awesome but Marcus Williams had to carry the team on his back so often because all we had as another ballhandler was Austrie. If AJ Price didn't have the serious health problem which almost took his life and then the laptop scandal that team would've been unstoppable. It's crazy to think Andrew Bynum would've been on that team too.

There was so much drama and what could've been from 2005-2009. If our leading scorer Rashad didn't get staph infection, if AJ didn't almost pass away, laptops, AJ blowing out his knee. Bynum and Nate Miles. Dyson injury. Nate Miles was schooling everyone in the practices/scrimmages.
 
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superjohn said:
That team was simply a guard short. The frontcourt was awesome but Marcus Williams had to carry the team on his back so often because all we had as another ballhandler was Austrie. If AJ Price didn't have the serious health problem which almost took his life and then the laptop scandal that team would've been unstoppable. It's crazy to think Andrew Bynum would've been on that team too.

There was so much drama and what could've been from 2005-2009. If our leading scorer Rashad didn't get staph infection, if AJ didn't almost pass away, laptops, AJ blowing out his knee. Bynum and Nate Miles. Dyson injury. Nate Miles was schooling everyone in the practices/scrimmages.
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All true.

BUT Marcus was incredibly good that season. Like, unreal good. The season disappointing us makes people forget him in the PG pantheon. The fact he did it by himself in the backcourt makes it even more impressive.
 
Mr. French said:
All true.

BUT Marcus was incredibly good that season. Like, unreal good. The season disappointing us makes people forget him in the PG pantheon. The fact he did it by himself in the backcourt makes it even more impressive.
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I was looking back on his tourney run and he was shooting an unreal 50/50/95 in it I believe.

While getting about 8 assists a game. He was playing out of his mind.
 
HW611 said:
I was looking back on his tourney run and he was shooting an unreal 50/50/95 in it I believe.

While getting about 8 assists a game. He was playing out of his mind.
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Yeah I remember his passing but end of that season he was unconscious from 3 as well.

As a lefty, his deliberate, herky jerky style was so pleasing to me as well. But when he was on, my goodness he was incredible.

I was always surprised he didn't do well in the league, honestly. I think he just didn't care that much. But dude could hoop.
 
PG- El Amin $2
PG- Napier $3
SF- Castle $3
SF- Butler $4
C- Clingan $3

I have a two headed monster at PG which is the deepest position so they’re both steals. castle is the best wing defender in UConn history paired with Clingan, who’s the single best deal on the board. Round it all out with Tough juice as my stretch 4 and arguably a better two-way player than any of the $5 guys besides Okafor.
 
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bendm said:
PG- El Amin $2
PG- Napier $3
SF- Castle $3
SF- Butler $4
C- Clingan $3

I have a two headed monster at PG which is the deepest position so they’re both steals. castle is the best wing defender in UConn history paired with Clingan, who’s the single best deal on the board. Round it all out with Tough juice as my stretch 4 and arguably a better two-way player than any of the $5 guys besides Okafor.
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I like this team a ton, but not much outside shooting.
 
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