BTW, UConn is a damn good school too!

[Sea Goat]

Take a look at the WSJ's 2024 list of the country's best colleges.

UConn rates #46 overall. That superior academic conference, the ACC, sported the following rankings:

Syracuse #144 - all the bluster and BS didn't fool anybody.
LV #324 - it's in a different solar system.
Pitt #307 - challenging LV...
SMU #175 - better than many of the schools it will be subsidizing.
Cal-Berkeley #81 (another subsidizer) - Sadly, the whole area is rapidly becoming a S-hole.

There are three ACC schools ahead of us - Stanford #4 (another subsidizer), Duke #16, and ND #32 ("an only when it suits them" member). (We are tied with BC for rating points but it's listed at #45)
(If you want to make yourself mad, compare the AAU schools on the list to UConn.)

 

[JohnFSilver]

Is there a non paywall version? I am on Apple News, but it isnt working to get the data. Just the article .

 

[JeepCSC]

Is there a non paywall version? I am on Apple News, but it isnt working to get the data. Just the article .

Just google "WSJ college rankings 2024 reddit". The rankings are there (BYU over John Hopkins), but I didn't see criteria.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Take a look at the WSJ's 2024 list of the country's best colleges.

UConn rates #46 overall. That superior academic conference, the ACC, sported the following rankings:

Syracuse #144 - all the bluster and BS didn't fool anybody.
LV #324 - it's in a different solar system.
Pitt #307 - challenging LV...
SMU #175 - better than many of the schools it will be subsidizing.
Cal-Berkeley #81 (another subsidizer) - Sadly, the whole area is rapidly becoming a S-hole.

There are three ACC schools ahead of us - Stanford #4 (another subsidizer), Duke #16, and ND #32 ("an only when it suits them" member). (We are tied with BC for rating points but it's listed at #45)
(If you want to make yourself mad, compare the AAU schools on the list to UConn.)

Louisville is a burning dumpster of dirty diapers of a college, so even #324 seems kind of generous. Syracuse is a gigantic waste of money that may not exist in 20 years, so they seem overrated at 144. Pitt deserves a little more love than that.

 

[billybud]

I wonder...various ratings bend different ways....FIU is the #4 Best Public University ? Naw.

 

[KryHavok]

I read UConn is ranked higher than Brown University…won’t help get AAU, but it’s a satisfying to know we’re not a bunch of dumb@$$&$.

 

[Sea Goat]

I wonder...various ratings bend different ways....FIU is the #4 Best Public University ? Naw.

As you might expect from the WSJ, the rating is heavily based on "Student Outcomes" (70%).
This includes, graduation rates, cost of attendance, debt burden, job opportunities and financial success thereafter.
20% is categorized as learning environment, strength of curriculum etc. 10% is based on diversity. These rating criteria are at least as valid as other rating systems I have seen.

Regarding FIU, I just don't know enough about it. But if the WSJ is using the same criteria for all, they must have seen something.

 

[Sea Goat]

Louisville is a burning dumpster of dirty diapers of a college, so even #324 seems kind of generous. Syracuse is a gigantic waste of money that may not exist in 20 years, so they seem overrated at 144. Pitt deserves a little more love than that.

I have had the same impression re: Syracuse for decades. I always knew LV was a joke and it was rated where I expected. Regarding Pitt, I too was surprised, but I don't have any information to counter the WSJ's rating. The point of this is that you just have to snicker any time the ACC starts touting its academic prowess. Stanford helps a lot, but the dregs still hold court...

 

[JeepCSC]

I have had the same impression re: Syracuse for decades. I always knew LV was a joke and it was rated where I expected. Regarding Pitt, I too was surprised, but I don't have any information to counter the WSJ's rating. The point of this is that you just have to snicker any time the ACC starts touting its academic prowess. Stanford helps a lot, but the dregs still hold court...

Louisville is the only counter you'll ever need in regards to ACC academics. We chase football dollars just like the rest of them (save the Ivies).

 

[hank970]

Confirmation bias is running rampant in this thread. With a bit of effort, one can find a poll which agrees with almost any point of view.

 

[Sea Goat]

Confirmation bias is running rampant in this thread. With a bit of effort, one can find a poll which agrees with almost any point of view.

Have you read anything about the criteria used? Have you looked at the list? There's more to it than "confirmation bias".

 

[ZooCougar]

Just google "WSJ college rankings 2024 reddit". The rankings are there (BYU over John Hopkins), but I didn't see criteria.

Happy for UConn but the ratings were very uh interesting.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Confirmation bias is running rampant in this thread. With a bit of effort, one can find a poll which agrees with almost any point of view.

Nah, no matter what poll you look at, BCU and Syracuse are overpriced and overrated.

 

[CL82]

Happy for UConn but the ratings were very uh interesting.

Given where UConn was ranked, I thought that they were intelligent, accurate and thought provoking.

 

[ZooCougar]

Given where UConn was ranked, I thought that they were intelligent, accurate and thought provoking.

Not going to argue about it. But there wasn’t much variation between where UConn was ranked in this one vs. other rankings. Which I would say is a good thing.

UVA 87

Johns Hopkins 99

Tufts 287

UChicago 37!

Floriduh over Duke

BYU over Hopkins

Must be some interesting criteria.

 

[CL82]

Not going to argue about it. But there wasn’t much variation between where UConn was ranked in this one vs. other rankings. Which I would say is a good thing.

UVA 87

Johns Hopkins 99

Tufts 287

UChicago 37!

Floriduh over Duke

BYU over Hopkins

Must be some interesting criteria.

Yeah my comment was tongue in cheek. I don't care about it one way or the other, other than I always appreciate good news about the University.

 

[hank970]

Yeah, I read the criteria. My point is that different criteria, like those employed by USN&WR or various others, would result in entirely different pecking orders. Touting the particular list that reinforces one's loyalties or preconceived notions of worth (and maybe their butthurt or contempt re: certain rivals) is a reflection of confirmation bias.

How about a list of schools whose dropouts (guys like Gates, Musk, Jobs, Zuckerberg, etc.) have succeeded in starting multi-billion-dollar enterprises? I suspect that Harvard and Stanford would top such a list, but maybe not. What other schools might make the cut?

 

[uconndogs]

At this stage of the game academic standing is just about meaningless in terms of conference realignment.

 

[Sea Goat]

Yeah, I read the criteria. My point is that different criteria, like those employed by USN&WR or various others, would result in entirely different pecking orders. Touting the particular list that reinforces one's loyalties or preconceived notions of worth (and maybe their butthurt or contempt re: certain rivals) is a reflection of confirmation bias.

How about a list of schools whose dropouts (guys like Gates, Musk, Jobs, Zuckerberg, etc.) have succeeded in starting multi-billion-dollar enterprises? I suspect that Harvard and Stanford would top such a list, but maybe not. What other schools might make the cut?

I guess confirmation bias may apply to my feelings about Syracuse always being over rated and LV being pure guano. That is undeniable - so trolls take notice!

 

[Waquoit]

Have you read anything about the criteria used? Have you looked at the list? There's more to it than "confirmation bias".

Why engage? It’s just shade from a troll.

 

[Sea Goat]

At this stage of the game academic standing is just about meaningless in terms of conference realignment.

So true - so why does the ACC try to gaslight people?

 

[Chin Diesel]

As you might expect from the WSJ, the rating is heavily based on "Student Outcomes" (70%).
This includes, graduation rates, cost of attendance, debt burden, job opportunities and financial success thereafter.
20% is categorized as learning environment, strength of curriculum etc. 10% is based on diversity. These rating criteria are at least as valid as other rating systems I have seen.

Regarding FIU, I just don't know enough about it. But if the WSJ is using the same criteria for all, they must have seen something.

I take all these ranking with several grains of salt. That being said, those are some pretty good metrics to measure the quality of an education in terms of ROI.

 

[hank970]

Why engage? It’s just shade from a troll.

Such a thin skin. Everybody and anybody who disagrees with you or offers a different point of view is a troll.

 

[Sea Goat]

I take all these ranking with several grains of salt. That being said, those are some pretty good metrics to measure the quality of an education in terms of ROI.

Yeah - when the cost of attendance exceeded $80k/year, it's past time to consider ROI.

 

[Sea Goat]

Louisville is the only counter you'll ever need in regards to ACC academics. We chase football dollars just like the rest of them (save the Ivies).

The Ivies still compete with the best in hockey and lacrosse. Most everything else is second tier. Even in hockey and lacrosse not all Ivies field teams. (no hockey for Penn and Columbia and no lacrosse for Columbia) They have different aspirations and don't need the money.

UConn, however, clearly needs the money. So the quest continues. But, it is definitely a boost for us to do well in the WSJ ratings. Ultimately, parents and students are looking at ratings and realizing that schools like Syracuse are simply not a good value compared to UConn. That's serving us well. (and pissing off all things orange).